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QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:46 PM) See you guys later I have to get ready for work. It's probably better to miss this. Tyner will walk, steal and Punto/Pirahna will drive him in.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:44 PM) Can't bring in Jenks until we take a lead why waste him? Because we'll be out of the division race and won't even need Jenks at this rate. We need to win this game, period. You blow a 6-1 lead and then send MacDougal out there, you're sending a signal to your team that you're giving up.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:43 PM) Macdougal in.........game over This is sickening, you put a guy with 15 walks and numerous wild pitches/passed balls in 17 innings, in the most important inning of the most important game so far this season??? And the best we have is MacDougal? We are DOOMED.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:40 PM) What a fantastic 0-5 for Erstad. I'll tell you what, he isn't a good hitter, but he's one of the best players you'll ever see. What happened? Someone rob Iguchi of a homer? It might have been a homer, but Kubel made it exciting...he drifted with it, back to the wall, instead of just going back to the wall and waiting for it to come down. Sort of a humpback liner, just didn't elevate it enough. A Tale of Two Bullpens here today folks, six shutout innings. EDIT: WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO WIN THIS GAME, WHY SHOULD WE EVEN WATCH????

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:39 PM) 3 pitches and 2 outs. What a dumb group of hitters we have. There's this season in a nutshell...a day late and a dollar short. I'll be shocked in the Twins don't win now.

QUOTE(WSoxMatt @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:36 PM) Jenks should start the Bottom of the 9th If he starts anyone but Jenks (such as MacDougal or Aardsma) in the bottom of the 9th, he should have his head examined. He needs for Jenks to go 2 innings today, this game is that important IMO. Nathan might be able to go 3, unfortunately.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ May 30, 2007 -> 08:44 AM) Boy you would think we are mathematically eliminated by the talk on this board. This team isnt supposed to lose a single series I take it? I think it's a few things... 1) It's the Twins, AGAIN (see Burke getting run over by Hunter, Guillen dubbing the Piranhas in 06 or AJ/Morneau in 2007, we never seem to come out on the plus side) 2) Our starting pitching is now struggling for the first time since the Opening Week 3) Our bullpen is the worst in the AL statistically, and close to the lead in blown saves as well 4) The Twins are playing without Mauer and Rondell White, our excuse is that we're missing Pods? Because we really haven't had the "real" Pods since July of 2005 and will be unlikely to ever see him again. 5) Physically, our players look beaten...and the loss last night, you saw little fight in the Sox. Yeah, you could say they were flat, some will argue Ozzie's lost the clubhouse, but there's been something missing with this club going on four months now, and that makes it hard to believe it's just going to magically "fix itself."

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ May 30, 2007 -> 08:48 AM) Good point, Crede Konerko Dye and Iguchi are underperforming badly. Every GM gambles each offseason. If you gamble too much you lose. White Sox took a lot of risks betting things would go right. Things have not gone right in lots of ways. My guess is the trade market is not open yet all across baseball. I suppose that is normal for end of May. So what do you do. You either stick with your guys and hope they come back to the mean or you rely on your minor league system to give you a spark with a hot hand. Sox have few if any really hot hands at Charlotte or AA. Maybe Owens is due for a look as was mentioned by a poster last eve. Last night was an embarassment and Jackson really called them out on the broadcast. Loved it! One thing i will say is I have seen quite enough of Uribe. Love his defense in general but he is not a heady baseball player, messes up at bats, and does not appear to be a captain out there in the IF. Don't know how you replace him but for one I have seen enough. It seems strange to be saying, we need to get rid of Uribe, as he's supposed to be in the "prime" of his career, as he just turned 28. When you consider the probability we'll lose or trade Crede, that gives us a player (starter) younger than 30 at which positions? Konerko is 31, so after Uribe and Crede, he would have to be the player considered closer to the highest level of productivity...and therein lies the problem. We're simply old, and the players who are not old (Konerko and Crede) are slow. So we're old and slow, a deadly combination without great starting pitching, bullpen, defense and clutch hitting. At some point this season, we'll be playing Terrero, Owens, Sweeney and Fields to see what we have for 2008. I think BA is likely to get traded, as I don't see Ozzie quitting or KW getting fired any time soon. Terrero just turned 27 and Owens is already 26, so we're behind the curve with those guys, but we have little or no choice for now. Pods and Cintron aren't the future of this organization, so even the Andy Gonzalezes of the world should get some at-bats to see what they can do. ''This is a different situation,'' Jones said. ''[The Twins were] a bunch of guys who came up together, they played together, took their lumps together and got better together. Here, you bring different guys in from different places, and you've got to mesh and learn to play together and feel each other out. It takes a little time. But we have a good group (speaking about the Cubs).'' I think KW brought in so many different players in 06 and 07 that the White Sox are essentially having the same problem as the Cubs. He might have tinkered too much. I'm not going to pronounce that Rowand and Chris Young patrolling our outfield would have us in first place or even above 85 wins...and I think almost all of KW's moves in the offseason after the World Series were warmly greeted, with the exception of the Vazquez move, and that one was understandable, as it made more sense to go all out to get back to the playoffs in 2006. Now it looks like a bad move, we'll see what he gets in return for Javier or one of the other pitchers he might trade to bring in an outfielder comparable to Young. Even then, it's creating a weakness, unless you consider Masset, Gio, Russell or Floyd capable of being the fifth starter.

QUOTE(joeynach @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:56 PM) I think everyone realizes KW lack of viable players at positions like SS,LF,CF, etc. Everyone in this town wanted an upgrade at all those positions and we got nothing and Erstad. Thats on the GM. Pods is fragile and a bad fielder and streaky, and Uribe is terrible and sports the worst OBP in baseball and KW does nothing. Erstad and Pods (if healthy, another KW miscalculation) would have been fine if Crede, Thome, Konerko, Dye, Iguchi and even AJ were providing their "normal" power numbers. We could live with the numbers of those two, and even Uribe, if the other six guys were playing at the level we expected, with a regression to mean plugged into the equation for JD. KW had one of the best "low cost/value" signings of the offseason in Erstad (for a bad one, see Toma Ohka and how far going cheap went for the Blue Jays in their rotation). If we didn't have him, we'd be stuck with Owens or Sweeney or Mackowiak out there again, assuming BA is really so far in the doghouse that nothing can rescue him. Then you have the "misses" on Sisco and the general struggling of the youngish bullpen, which has been an unexpected development, since it was the ONE area most Sox fans saw an improvement from 2006. In fact, after last night, we're sitting in the mid 5's in terms of Bullpen ERA and last in the AL. Combine that with the lack of speed on this team and we're now the Oakland A's without the same quality of pitching, 1-12, on their MLB roster.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ May 30, 2007 -> 07:46 AM) No offense taken. I'll go ahead and disagree in return though. I don't see anyone in the Sox minor league system that is likely to be even an average major league starting position player or a top of the rotation pitcher. Of all those guys, only Gio has major league quality stuff (low-90's fatsball and a quality breaking pitch). And he has to prove he and his straight fastball can avoid HRs in a park like Charlotte's before anyone can really predict major league success. Egbert and Russel are having OK years in a big park and can at least be considered prospects. De Los Santos has had a good game in A ball. Floyd, Haeger, Broadway, and McCulloch are non-prospects at this point. Does anyone think the Sox are going to get a sub-6.50 ERA out of any of those guys at the big league level? The big problem is that the Sox don't have a single prospect as good as any of one of as Baker, Garza, Slowey, Bonser, and Liriano. No one in the Sox organization projects as a top-flight starter. Fields has an atrocious contact rate and will struggle just like BA at the big league level. BA still has his own contact problem and simply cannot hit major league pitching (I saw a stat about his contact rate against breaking balls recently -- I don't remember what it was precisely, but it was terrible). In any case, BA is done in Chicago. Sweeney has never hit for power, even in Charlotte. He has never dominated at any level of the minors. The Sox will be lucky if he has Sean Burroughs career. Cunningham has been struggling in A ball after a hot start and guys like Carter (decent A ball power numbers and suspect 1B glove) are all over the minor leagues. It's true the Sox have some prospects, but just because they are the Sox top prospects doesn't mean they are good prospects. I can't comment on most of the proposed trades because I just don't know enough, but I'm pretty sure that package wouldn't bring back Saltalamachia alone let Salty and Escobar. An aging overpriced starter, a bullpen guy with an ERA over 6, a CF prospect that hasn't hit a lick for a player that could bring back someone like Mark Texiera or one of Tampa's OFs? I don't see the Braves doing it... Baker has good stuff, but that doesn't mean anything at all. Slowey profiles more like a Matt Guerrier or Josh Stewart type. I see him as a very good AAA starter who struggles in the major leagues. I actually think Perkins might end up as a better starter in 2-3 years. We'll find out soon enough with Slowey as well, he's supposed to replace Ortiz in the rotation. I'll ask again, when's the last time the Twins produced an everyday starting pitcher from within their organization? The answer is Brad Radke. You could take 100 scouts and give them a choice between Bonser/Garza/Baker/Slowey/Perkins and Gio/Floyd/Russell/Masset/Danks and about 70-80% of them would take the White Sox prospects. I give a lot of credit to the Twins, but they're also going to be hard-pressed to compete against the Tigers and Indians given the lack of production from LF (unless Kubel steps up and becomes an everyday player), 3B and SS. They're missing a big bat almost as much as the White Sox are. Look how long it has taken Kubel and Cuddyer to become solid players, even Morneau struggled for much of his first two seasons, until June of last year, when he was about to go to the minors. Mauer is one of the few who contributed right away, but he wasn't great as a rookie, just very good (when healthy). The White Sox are going to need to have a lot of patience with Fields. Unfortunately, he fits well into their "all or nothing" offensive approach. Sweeney and Owens are more the type of players the White Sox need...better contact, better fundamentals, doubles and triples hitters...at least what they are projected to be. The question with every move the Sox make...does it make us younger? Faster/more athletic? Cheaper? We're heading into another crisis with our catching situation in a year, since Lucy and Francisco Hernandez and whoever you can name are far from projected everyday catchers in the major leagues. This has always been a weakness in the system, from Kurt Brown to Joel Skinner, from Mark Johnson to Olivo. Heck, having Ron Karkovice's equivalent will be nice in 1-2 years, but I highly doubt we'll see another catcher who can bunt so well in our lifetimes.

QUOTE(beautox @ May 30, 2007 -> 05:08 AM) no offense but i totally disagree with this statement. we've got some interesting pieces coming up thorough our system. Gio, Egbert, Russel, Masset, Floyd if he gets it together and De Los Santos is a ways away, then there is Haeger, Broadway & McCulloch As far as position prospects we've got Fields, Sweeney, Anderson, Carter, and Cunningham. Carter is showing big time power and an exceptional eye, he looks to be the heir apparent to 1B. We also have a good mix of interesting BP arms; all is not lost for sox fans. This Team needs an influx of youth and speed to go along with the station to station baseball we've bore witness to for so long. The Kids need to play. If i we're KW these are the moves i would make this offseason provided we let mark, iguchi and dye walk. Trade AJP and Uribe to the Blue Jays for OF Travis Snider & RHP Graham Godfrey. Their current SS is Royce Clayton and Zaun is on the DL and the decline. Snider is a very young OF with a ton of potential and tools unfortunately they Jays already have a stacked OF(Lind/Wells/Rios) That gives the sox an additional 10.5 to play with to go along with the 10mil they cleared when they traded Garcia. Trade Jose along with Anderson and possibly Mmac if he gets his ERA down to something respectable or another BP arm(Sans Jenks, Thornton, Aardsma, Masset) for C Jarrod Saltalamacchia and SS Yunel Escobar. Salty is blocked by McCann and his value lies behind the dish, not to say his bat couldn't carry him to 1B, and Escobar is among the throngs of SS the braves have at both the ML and Milb level (Renteria/Andrus/Lillibridge/Fontaine). Jose is old, but he is still putting up good numbers and at times dominates, i think a change to the NL would only further that at 10mil a year he's a steal for the next two years, Kyle Davies hasn't lived up to expectations and they're still paying Hampton to sit on the DL. Both Brandon Jones and Matt Harrison won't be ready for another season and a half. Andruw Jones is going to become a FA and they'll need a CF who can cover ground like him and still has some power potential; enter BA i think he needs a change of scenery and consistent ML ABs. Mmac is a constant injury risk but when he is healthy and on hes a great setup man/closer. I just don't see us getting an All star caliber back stop that is great defensively calls a good game and knows how to hit with out giving up a bit. Trade Joe Crede to one of the following teams The Giants or Angels for one of the following 4 players: From the Giants 2B Kevin Frandsen or 2B Marcus Sanders; From the Angels MI Erik Aybar or MI Sean Rodriguez. The Angels have Kendrik and Cabrera at SS & 2B respectively, and the Giants have Durham for 1 more season and the other 2B who doesn't get traded. Try and get anything you can for Scott Podsednik & Alex Cintron, if not non tender. Sign one of the following FA CF. Ichiro (5/90) Jones (8/$138M) Hunter(6/85) Rowand(6/85) Fukudome(3/8-10) With the money saved from making the moves stated above along with letting Mark, Dye & Iguchi walk the sox should easily be able to afford a marquee CFer. Along with all those moves i would extend Jon to a 5 year deal (5/58?), jon gives us 200 innings has been incredibly durable and an ERA+ of 110 over the past 3 years on average and takes some preasure off the up and coming arms. Also give Terrero enough rope for this season to either build a bridge into 08 or hang himself. So now i present my version of the '08 white sox LF - Erstad L SS - Escobar R DH - Thome L 1B - Konerko R CF - Jones R C - Saltallamachia S 3B - Fields R RF - Sweeney L 2B - Aybar S Erstad is merely a place holder unless we sign Ichiro in which case i would keep him as a bench player/all around good guy. With having acquired Snider and Cunningham developing we still need someone to fill in one of the 3 OF spots. SP Garland Vazquez Danks Masset Gio/Egbert/Broadway/Floyd/Haeger BP Jenks Aardsma Thornton Logan(LOOGY) Wassermann(ROOGY) Russel/Perez/Vasquez/Reynoso/Sisco/Day Bench Hall Mackowiak Gonzalez Terrero Ozuna?? There is alot of question marks up and down the roster i would be the first to admit it, but if we expect to contend in 2-3 years you have to role the dice, the team to be is going to be Cleveland for what appears to be a long time. The tigers are getting old like us around the diamond but they've got alot of good young pitching, and the twins are weird place after this coming season. the royals still need alot of pitching. anyways just my .02 Andruw Jones is getting too old if we're in "rebuilding" mode, it all depends on how much of our starting rotation is retained...if we keep all of our starters from this year for next year, then you THINK about adding a Jones, Hunter, Ichiro, etc., for one last gasp at contention. Wasserman? We're in trouble if we can't do any better than that. Crede is going to have to dramatically increase his level of play to get any of the players that were mentioned...and Aybar's OPS and OBP marks leave a lot to be desired for him to be a full-time starter at SS or 2B. I don't think Uribe's going to have an easy time being perceived as a potential starter by other teams if he keeps this up. The line-up you're putting out there has six "question marks," although I guess it can't be any worse than what we have now...OTOH, it would be impossible to trot out that line-up and say we're not rebuilding for 2008.

QUOTE(beautox @ May 30, 2007 -> 05:08 AM) no offense but i totally disagree with this statement. we've got some interesting pieces coming up thorough our system. Gio, Egbert, Russel, Masset, Floyd if he gets it together and De Los Santos is a ways away, then there is Haeger, Broadway & McCulloch As far as position prospects we've got Fields, Sweeney, Anderson, Carter, and Cunningham. Carter is showing big time power and an exceptional eye, he looks to be the heir apparent to 1B. We also have a good mix of interesting BP arms; all is not lost for sox fans. This Team needs an influx of youth and speed to go along with the station to station baseball we've bore witness to for so long. The Kids need to play. If i we're KW these are the moves i would make this offseason provided we let mark, iguchi and dye walk. Trade AJP and Uribe to the Blue Jays for OF Travis Snider & RHP Graham Godfrey. Their current SS is Royce Clayton and Zaun is on the DL and the decline. Snider is a very young OF with a ton of potential and tools unfortunately they Jays already have a stacked OF(Lind/Wells/Rios) That gives the sox an additional 10.5 to play with to go along with the 10mil they cleared when they traded Garcia. Trade Jose along with Anderson and possibly Mmac if he gets his ERA down to something respectable or another BP arm(Sans Jenks, Thornton, Aardsma, Masset) for C Jarrod Saltalamacchia and SS Yunel Escobar. Salty is blocked by McCann and his value lies behind the dish, not to say his bat couldn't carry him to 1B, and Escobar is among the throngs of SS the braves have at both the ML and Milb level (Renteria/Andrus/Lillibridge/Fontaine). Jose is old, but he is still putting up good numbers and at times dominates, i think a change to the NL would only further that at 10mil a year he's a steal for the next two years, Kyle Davies hasn't lived up to expectations and they're still paying Hampton to sit on the DL. Both Brandon Jones and Matt Harrison won't be ready for another season and a half. Andruw Jones is going to become a FA and they'll need a CF who can cover ground like him and still has some power potential; enter BA i think he needs a change of scenery and consistent ML ABs. Mmac is a constant injury risk but when he is healthy and on hes a great setup man/closer. I just don't see us getting an All star caliber back stop that is great defensively calls a good game and knows how to hit with out giving up a bit. Trade Joe Crede to one of the following teams The Giants or Angels for one of the following 4 players: From the Giants 2B Kevin Frandsen or 2B Marcus Sanders; From the Angels MI Erik Aybar or MI Sean Rodriguez. The Angels have Kendrik and Cabrera at SS & 2B respectively, and the Giants have Durham for 1 more season and the other 2B who doesn't get traded. Try and get anything you can for Scott Podsednik & Alex Cintron, if not non tender. Sign one of the following FA CF. Ichiro (5/90) Jones (8/$138M) Hunter(6/85) Rowand(6/85) Fukudome(3/8-10) With the money saved from making the moves stated above along with letting Mark, Dye & Iguchi walk the sox should easily be able to afford a marquee CFer. Along with all those moves i would extend Jon to a 5 year deal (5/58?), jon gives us 200 innings has been incredibly durable and an ERA+ of 110 over the past 3 years on average and takes some preasure off the up and coming arms. Also give Terrero enough rope for this season to either build a bridge into 08 or hang himself. So now i present my version of the '08 white sox LF - Erstad L SS - Escobar R DH - Thome L 1B - Konerko R CF - Jones R C - Saltallamachia S 3B - Fields R RF - Sweeney L 2B - Aybar S Erstad is merely a place holder unless we sign Ichiro in which case i would keep him as a bench player/all around good guy. With having acquired Snider and Cunningham developing we still need someone to fill in one of the 3 OF spots. SP Garland Vazquez Danks Masset Gio/Egbert/Broadway/Floyd/Haeger BP Jenks Aardsma Thornton Logan(LOOGY) Wassermann(ROOGY) Russel/Perez/Vasquez/Reynoso/Sisco/Day Bench Hall Mackowiak Gonzalez Terrero Ozuna?? There is alot of question marks up and down the roster i would be the first to admit it, but if we expect to contend in 2-3 years you have to role the dice, the team to be is going to be Cleveland for what appears to be a long time. The tigers are getting old like us around the diamond but they've got alot of good young pitching, and the twins are weird place after this coming season. the royals still need alot of pitching. anyways just my .02 Andruw Jones is getting too old if we're in "rebuilding" mode, it all depends on how much of our starting rotation is retained...if we keep all of our starters from this year for next year, then you THINK about adding a Jones, Hunter, Ichiro, etc., for one last gasp at contention. Wasserman? We're in trouble if we can't do any better than that. Crede is going to have to dramatically increase his level of play to get any of the players that were mentioned...and Aybar's OPS and OBP marks leave a lot to be desired for him to be a full-time starter at SS or 2B. I don't think Uribe's going to have an easy time being perceived as a potential starter by other teams if he keeps this up. The line-up you're putting out there has six "question marks," although I guess it can't be any worse than what we have now...OTOH, it would be impossible to trot out that line-up and say we're not rebuilding for 2008.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ May 29, 2007 -> 11:58 PM) I know Lumsden and Cortes haven't performed, but at this juncture the Sox are paying MacDougal millions to pitch like Dewon Day. The fact that the Royals aren't paying MacDougal makes the trade a win for them. I thought MacDougal was going to be a strength of the club going into this season. His 2005 & 2006 numbers were really good & the idea of getting a "closer quality" setup man is great. These days, starters get you into the 7th so you need both a decent closer and setup man. Plus Mac seemed like good insurance in case Jenks arm fell off. So far, I've been very wrong. Since I don't know why Mac has pitched so poorly, I really have no idea how likely it is that he'll pull out of it. He is 30 with high impact delivery. It's possible that he is injured even though his velocity isn't down. OTOH, Moore looks pretty silly to have kept Emil Brown on the roster for $3.5 million, as well as Reggie Sanders and trading for Gathright. Elarton has been a bust so far, and Hudson a non-factor due to injuries. Greinke MIGHT be coming into his own as a reliever, although he's yet to put two really solid months together as a starter. The jury's still out on Ryan Shealy, but I don't think he will ever be much of a frontline starter at 1B in the AL. Pena Jr. MIGHT be better than Berroa, but not by much...although I guess you have to blame Baird for another long-term deal for Angel, who has spent most of his time ensconced in Omaha. Jason LaRue has looked very bad...in fact, incumbent starter John Buck might be the only Royal worthy of All-Star consideration, along with Meche, despite his recent disaster. At any rate, Gordon, Teahen, DeJesus, Butler, Hochevar, Costa, etc., are the future of the Royals. I don't think I'd make them a favorite over the White Sox for 08 and 09 until their starting pitching looks to be in better shape. Jorge De La Rosa is as far from a solid #2 starter as you can get in the big leagues.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:01 AM) 1. I would definitley fire Walker, i was against early on in the year when everyone was struggling at the same time.. well its been about a month later and not much has changed. 2. Desperate Deal- Im just not sure KW can make an imediate deal to improve this years team dramatically. Like fathom said, the time to act was in the offseason, but the 'inflated market' and KW's stubborness kept the Sox from signing an impact type player. What possition can be filled to improve this teams offense? What we need is a true leadoff LF. And i wanted Carl Crawford BAD in the offseason... What will it take to get him over here now? Probably Danks and Sweeney and I highly doubt KW would trade away Danks since he's learning how to pitch at the MLB much quicker than we all anticipated, not to mention he will be a cheap pitcher in our rotation for many years to come. So if Crawford is out of the question who else can be traded for that can imediately improve this team? Not only does this team need another hitter, this team needs a couple more RELIABLE arms in the pen. Aardsma is pitching like a true Cub reliever and we already saw Sisco get sent down. Relievers usually come pretty cheap so i can see KW go after a few guys to fix that issue. 3. Blow this team up- We can still probably get some solid prospects for Dye. And if we are really out of the race come the trade deadline I wouldn't be surprised if KW traded away Contreras to a contender for some prospects. Guys like Masset and Gio Gonzalas are just waiting for there chance. Iguchi just looks lazy out there so I wouldn't be sad to see him leave at this point. 4. Which guys to keep if they do 'blow it up'?- I can see KW signing Buerhle to a new deal. Especially if Contreras and Dye are dealt to free up some cash. I expect to see a rotation of Buerhle, Garland, Vazquez, Danks and Massett next year. A lot depends on the progression of Gio and Russell for the fifth spot. Right now, you could pencil Masset or either of those two into the rotation and nobody would bat an eye at it.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ May 29, 2007 -> 10:02 PM) I think all would love Philip Hughes but I doubt if that's going to happen. I would love Jose Tabata and Dellin Betances though. Maybe Tyler Clippard and others. Melky pwns. I'll tell you this. I would love KW dealing with the Yankees again. Well, Cashman knows he's done if he doesn't win this year, so he might do something very desperate, but the biggest move might be dealing Cabrera and some second-tier pitching prospects to get a Dye or Buehrle. Not even sure why he'd need Dye with Abreu out there, and nobody willing to take his contract. Maybe they will put Dye at 1B like the White Sox thought about? I can't imagine him moving Tabata or Hughes under any situation...I think Steinbrenner will forbid those moves.

QUOTE(briguy27 @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:59 PM) Hopefully Ozzie will say something more interesting than the game, or they can get KW to go off again about how we're underachieving. Maybe we're not?

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:56 PM) Garrett Atkins, his 3 Home Runs, and his .220 avg isn't so hot right now either, but that doesn't stop the Halos from wanting to address the Hot Corner. The best we could do is get something like Dallas McPherson or Tommy Murphy for Crede. Forget Saunders, Santana, Aybar, Wood, Willits, Shields or Kendry Morales.

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:53 PM) Wanna see something fun... turn to ESPN to watch Jose Reyes run the bases as the tying run in extra innings. I love to watch Ray run. Harrelson Oh, for those days. QUOTE(briguy27 @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:55 PM) and the sox have erstad We have no reason (or at least won't in a month) not to play Jerry Owens everyday in LF, especially with Ozuna likely out for the remainder of the season. In the meantime, we made Ortiz look so good, they might put him back into their starting rotation, although I think Slowey will be the pick.

QUOTE(briguy27 @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:52 PM) CHAD CORDERO Why would we grossly overpay to get another team's closer when we need offense, speed and youth more than anything? It MIGHT have made sense coming into 2007, or down the stretch in 2006 to replace Jenks when he was hurting, but not now... I have no interest in trading Gio Gonzalez to get Chad Cordero so we can have another overpaid, so-so stuff set-up man.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:48 PM) Konerko has a great player earlier. Then f***s that one up. Who are we going to try next to replace Dewon Day?

QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:30 PM) gardy don't want to give us any momentum or reason to feel good about ourselves. looking to grind our faces in it. Unlike the White Sox and Manuel, who used Jose Paniagua in late 2003 and lit another fire under that Twins team (they came back to almost win the second game of that series, won the next and then swept us at the HHH)...the Twins just seem to have more of a killer instinct about beating us.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:12 PM) Masset sucks tonight dam. White Sox will have the worst AL bullpen ERA after this game is over. WOW. Didn't see that one coming about 2-3 weeks ago.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:09 PM) I think there was a lot more to that article on mlb.com about the Sox having some issues with Ozzie. Articles like that aren't written for no reason. is this recent? do you have a link? i was out of town and didn't have a computer the last 3 games... QUOTE(santo=dorf @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:11 PM) I don't recall any direct stories linking the Sox to Kendall before the 2005 season (only after we traded Olivo in 2004 there were rumors) and at the time he looked like a solid pickup with his OBP. Hell, Jason Kendall is currently the highest paid player on the Pirates roster. I remember the Greg Miller, Edwin Jackson, Odalis Perez, and Matt Clement kool aid flowing on this board too. Hell, we even had some people supporting Cristian Guzman. :o Who is Greg Miller?

QUOTE(fathom @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:07 PM) Everything fell into place for him during that offseason. The only competition for AJP was Tampa, and neither the Red Sox/Yankees went after Iguchi. As DA always talks about on here, a lot of guys that KW initially wanted went elsewhere and sucked, like Clement and Kendall. And so many trades didn't work out, like Burnett for Contreras and prospects in June of 2005, or Garland/Singleton for Erstad in the offseason, a move ultimately nixed by the Disney Corp.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:03 PM) I date it back to the Jay Mariotti incident last June. We were actually playing our best ball around that time of the year, and immediately afterward. I don't think it has anything to do with Mariotti. We've just aged and become an average team over the last 4 months of baseball.