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QUOTE(beautox @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:49 AM) i would gladly take the following off their hands for joe crede. either of their up and coming 2B Frandsen or Sanders. Frandsen is a slap hitting 2B with decent speed who doesn't strike out much but also doesn't walk much his OBP is reliant on putting the ball in play. Sanders is a bit further away hes currently at the giants single A affiliate Augusta, and was hampered all last season with shoulder a injury, he could move very quickly and possibly taste AAA by seasons end seeing how Frandsen is with the big club he should move quickly. He hasn't show much in the power department but he does have very good speed(3triples 13SB/1CS) and a great eye(20SO/19BB). Aside from both of them i wouldn't mind Jonathan Sanchez another project lefty with great stuff. Recently sent down to AAA Fresno Why not see what Cooper can do with Sanchez. So far he's been able to make Logan look respectable and Thornton look great, The book is still out on Sisco. That's a VERY rare jump to go from the South Atlantic League (considered the lowest of the A ball leagues) to the AAA level in one season. Most minor league directors would be happy if their players progressed in one season and did well in High A, let alone AA.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 12:04 AM) Pierre = .312 OBP and .650 OPS Roberts = .283 OBP, elbow surgery Matthews = .800 OPS + good defense (very good year so far, although the PED thing is a cloud). Anyway, KW would still be screwed if he had signed either Pierre or Roberts. And the Matthews signing was viewed with ALMOST as many raised eyebrows as the Meche one. Both have turned out okay, so far, for both teams, especially the Royals, who took the biggest gamble and were criticized by lots of other clubs like TOR, who look very dumb now for having signed Ryan, Ohka, etc.

QUOTE(My Dixie Normus @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:43 AM) I am as concerned about this season as I am about the next 5-10. We are looking at a lot of talent either suffering from age and injury or leaving the team at the end of the season if not sooner. Contreras (old), Thome (old), Dye, Buehrle, Crede, Iguchi to name a few. We had a shot to be a serious club again this season. We need a shortstop and left fielder for the defense and leadoff hitter for the offense. But with the potential of all of those names being off the next seasons starting lineup, I am concerned that the Sox will tail spin for another half decade. I am not ready to throw in the towel on this season just yet if only because I really fear what the next few seasons will look like. We need to replace Uribe offensively, not defensively. He's in the Top 5-7 shortstops if you go just by fielding alone, combined with him arm strength. Unfortunately, since KW is not willing to pay top dollar (unless he trades for Jimmy Rollins), it appears we will end up with Omar Vizquel, Eckstein or a 50/50 proposition like Erick Aybar that may or may not turn out to be a regular MLB SS.

QUOTE(beautox @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 02:18 AM) The Braves are already stacked at SS Edgar Renteria is locked up till 09 and i don't forsee him going anywhere Then they've got the following: Andrus, Lillibridge & Fontaine I think Broadway would be enough to get him, and as it appears now he doesn't look to have a future on the south side. I just hope this guy is projected to do better than Tony Pena Jr., or there will be a lot of disappointed fans thinking we have another Mike Caruso situation on our hands.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 31, 2007 -> 11:16 PM) The question is not whether or not he'd be able to put up the same numbers in the other league it's whether Chris Young's current offensive production would be acceptable coming from Josh Fields this season which it would be. It would be absolutely shocking, that would be comparable to Magglio or C-Lee when they were rookies. Not going to happen unless his swing undergoes a magnificent shortening to "compact" status. The Trib said "probable ligament damage" regarding Erstad's injury.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 31, 2007 -> 11:12 PM) He also has a .779 OPS and 100 OPS+ both of which would be good for second best on this current Sox team. If Fields were to put up league average numbers for the first 2 months of this season much as Chris Young is doing now, I would be absolutely elated. not And a lot of folks would be shocked if he put up those exact same numbers facing the Twins, Indians and Tigers for 57 games out of the season...not to mention the rest of the AL is so much stronger than the NL Central and NL West.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 31, 2007 -> 11:05 PM) I was expecting more creativity from KW. A lot of us thought he was collecting young arms in order to then make a trade for a superstar like Carl Crawford. With all of the momentum the organization had earned from the 2005 and 2006 season in regards to attendance, I had higher hopes that KW would bring in one more superstar to try and keep the momentum going for at least another season. I have no problem with him rebuilding, but I thought it should have been done after this current season. I hated the Garcia trade, as he was our best chip to go ahead and add another talent to the major league team. When you look at how much the Astros gave up to get Jennings, I really think we could have gotten more than a good, but not great prospect, in Gio and the crap that is Gavin Floyd. I honestly think Gio's best value to this team would be to trade him again, as his numbers are skewed by pitching in Birmingham and padding his stats against a few real bad hitting teams. I still think we messed up by not including Perez on the 25 man roster. Thome is worthless against LHP. Also, I still think Ozzie messed up by putting Toby Hall at first base. It was a stupid decision on his half. I think the Astros preferred Jennings' "upside," and that they might have an easier time keeping him down the line than Garland, who many perceive as wanting to return to CA or possibly back to the Midwest and Chicago. I think their trade for Jennings was a little like the Royals signing Meche...they saw an undervalued pitcher, whereas Garland was coming off two very strong back to back seasons and the White Sox wanted too much for him. The most valuable asset in the game is left-handed starting, which works in the favor of the White Sox if they do sell off Buehrle or Gio Gonzalez again.

QUOTE(knightni @ May 31, 2007 -> 11:01 PM) I agree. If the team's going to lose, they should lose with kids and a $35 mil payroll, not with underachieving old guys and a $100 mil payroll. I'm not ready to write off Terrero yet, without seeing him play more regularly. He might end up being a better player for the Sox than Anderson in the long-term.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ May 31, 2007 -> 10:57 PM) Williams acceptance of the worst outfield in baseball before the injuries, and the reliance on the likes of Terrero and Mack after them to fill the "void" has been bad. Very bad. But one of the worst offseasons a Sox GM ever had? I don't think so. He didn't sign Navarro...he didn't trade Sosa for Bell...he didn't trade for Todd Ritchie (OK, he actually did but not this offseason) and those are just recent offseasons. In hindsight, he should have been more radical and ripped up the team, but I don't think that was obvious at the time. It's only magnified because of the bar being set so high and expecatations of many "new" Sox fans up after the WS euphoria. I would call trading for Koch, Clayton or Ritchie, even signing David Wells, not so good either. We all thought the White Sox were in a position for an extended run of competing, and we set ourselves up to be disappointed, as most Sox seasons usually end up...but you talk about bad offseasons this decade, check the NORTH side of town first.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 31, 2007 -> 10:40 PM) Fathom, I think that you'd agree that even if Kenny put together the PERFECT, ideal winter, the Sox still wouldn't be much better than where they are now. For example -- for me, the ideal offseason would have been dumping Podsednik for nothing and bringing in someone else on a one year deal for LF -- let's say Trot Nixon. I know you didn't like the Garcia trade a heckuva lot, and I fault Kenny Williams for his questionable 'crush' on Gavin Floyd, but in reality, one year of Gio Gonzalez throwing league average 'ball and we will, at the very least, be even in that trade. That doesn't change the fact that, at the time, it appeared Garcia would have a little more value than a B prospect (at the time, Gio) and a project pitcher in Floyd. McCarthy trade? It's tough to see this trade ending up as a loss for the Sox, although I think B-Mac will wind up being a solid #3. Cotts trade? More of the same -- I don't see how one could call that a bad move at the time the move was made or even now. Cotts was a one pitch pitcher, while Aardsma was coming off a pretty good year as a Cubs reliever. The Vasquez kid is having success at Charlotte, too, and is looking like he can eventually help a big league club, if only as a LOOGY. Sisco trade? Ehh... Everybody loved it at the time, myself included, but after watching Sisco for now (about) three months -- spring training included -- it's tough to envision Sisco ever being anything more than a mediocre LOOGY. My not-trained-to-be-a-scout eye tells me his motion is very wierd -- I don't know how to put it into baseball terms, but it looks awkward, almost 'forced' (if you know what I mean). Meanwhile, Gload, a guy who was ALWAYS underutilized and (dare I say) underappreciated by this organization, would be this team's third best hitter (world's tallest midget with this offense, I know) and would have looked good filling in for Thome when he went down and right now as our LFer. Hall signing? Don't need to talk a whole lot about him, great move, unfortunate injury. Erstad move? I'm not going to talk about this a whole lot. I'm glad that Kenny didn't throw big money at any of the other free agent CFers, but I didn't particularly like the Erstad move (in a starting role). Then again, Anderson has gone down and sucked an egg at Charlotte. I guess this goes back to one of the real fatal trades of the organization, Vazquez for Young. So basically what this comes down to is that I'm not close to calling for Kenny's head yet. He's still a top ten GM in baseball (that's off-the-cuff, but if someone challenged it, I'd be willing to put my personal list of those better/equal to him). What it comes down to is, if Kenny made all the perfect moves this winter, I still don't think we'd be in sniffing distance of Detroit or Cleveland. This year's problems are mainly here for two reasons; first, Kenny tried to have 'one more go' with this core group of players. Most of this 'core' were over the age of 30 -- and sometimes you're playing with fire there. The second lies in the lack of production from the farm system finally biting this team right in the ass. That one lies directly on Kenny's shoulders. He has called attention to it, let's see if things change. Oh, and I know a lot of people are calling for Crede to have been traded, but I'd like to see some posts from the winter calling for Crede to be traded. It's easy to say it now, after he's sucked for two months, but off the top of my head, the only person actively wanting Fields up here on April 1st was beatox -- maybe I'm wrong and missed some posts, though. A lot depends on getting a comparable outfielder to CY back for Garland or Vazquez.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ May 31, 2007 -> 10:32 PM) Detroit loses Kenny Rogers, Zumaya, and Rodney and they still keep winning. Minnesota is struggling a bit but has a payroll many millions below the White Sox, they lose Liriano and Mauer and kick the Sox ass. The Sox get the back-up catcher hurt, Pablo Ozuna hurt and a $1 million guarantee player like Erstad injured who gets hurt every year, and Pods another perrenial injury is out and they look like they may just prove BP's 72-90 PECOTA projection correct. If the Sox fail this year, injuries shouldn't be an excuse. Just look at their offense, with Ordonez the early favorite for MVP. The numbers that players on our rivals are putting up, compared to our best hitters, it's totally unreal, especially after the first half of 06. They're getting good starts from Durbin, even. He had a horrible ERA with the Royals! Just proves that sometimes you can take a player out of a losing organization, put him with the Tigers/Twins (even the White Sox) and he suddenly starts to realize his potential. With Verlander, Bonderman and Robertson, they're pretty slump proof. Ledezma has done a decent job replacing Walker. Andrew Miller could tip the balance in the Central back in their favor if he pitches as projected by many. Throw in Rogers, and they trump anyone in the AL, with the possible exceptions of the Red Sox and Angels. Still, the fact of the matter is that they're only 7 games over .500 and the Twins, A's and Yankees will be on their heels for the rest of the season.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ May 31, 2007 -> 10:14 PM) The Sox have a zero percent chance of signing any Boras client to an extension. Hell, no team except for maybe the Red Sox or Yankees can afford one of his guys because he wants them to test the market. So let's push out our much more productive DH, along with some minor league talent to get a guy whose agent won't let him sign for longer making it a lock he'll walk after less than two seasons. Oh yeah, he's going to cost a TON of money and he is a product of a hitter's ballpark. OKAY? It makes zero sense. Garcia was close to Guillen before coming to the Sox. Boras is on the other side of the universe when it comes to his relationship with the Sox. Then what's the point in keeping Crede? KW must have SOME reason. And I said it would only be a possibility if Teixeira were to sign an extension, which I also said was HIGHLY unlikely. I have yet to see any other realistic ideas. Baldelli? Griffey? Sure, we won't have to mortgage our future for players who will probably go down in a heap, just like Erstad, except they'll cost us Gio, Russell, De Los Santos, Fields or Sweeney. Do you think opposing GM's won't laugh at KW's predicament when he tried to take the cheap approach by signing Erstad and now he needs to bend over and pay the piper for not partaking in the crazy market for Matthews, Pierre and Roberts?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ May 31, 2007 -> 10:27 PM) Andy Gonzalez my man. He was hitting a solid .240 in Charlotte with no power when he got the call. He's due. Valido's going to turn thing around. Just like Liotta. Just like Honel. Just like Malone. Just like Brian West. Heck, maybe we can bring back Jason Dellaero or Caruso while we're at it.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ May 31, 2007 -> 10:16 PM) Owens will be replacing him, and there is a damn good chance he will do a better job. Erstad and his .316 on base percentage won't be a huge loss. Yeah, I fully expect Owens to have a .350 OBP as the leadoff hitter. No pressure there, you're only coming into a five game losing streak with every writer in Chicago waiting to pounce on KW, Guillen and Walker after every single loss...pretty soon, they're going to be at the point where they fire Walker, simply because that's the way every sports franchise reacts to underachieving/underperformance. LOL. .350 That's where Erstad was as our leadoff hitter coming into the last couple of games, not sure exactly where he's at now. When Anderson, Sweeney and Fields have struggled and flirted with .200 as big leaguers, we're projecting someone who's not one of our Top 15 prospects to all of a sudden become another Juan Pierre or Bip Roberts? It took Crede and Rowand three seasons to "get it." If Crede has actually gotten it! By the way, Owens makes Johnny Damon look like Roberto Clemente or Vladimir Guerrero with that arm of his. He's not a CFer, which means we're playing Luis Terrero, a 27 year old former top prospect who the Orioles and D-Backs gave up on. This should be interesting.

QUOTE(diegotony06 @ May 31, 2007 -> 09:49 PM) I really don't think attendance will suffer like it did before we won the World Series. You figure we aren't gonna resign Dye, or probably Iguchi. Crede will probably be gone at the end of 2008, if not before, so that frees up his salary. I really believe if we become sellers this year, I think Contreras will be gone, at least I hope he is. As I am writing this, Dusty Baker is on BBTN and he is predicting the Whitesox are gonna get white hot in the month of June, and only be 1 game behind the AL central leader!! hahaha All I am saying, I would do everything I could to keep Buehrle around. I'm not sure if he is gonna get Zito money, I know their numbers are comparable, but Zito also won a Cy Young, Mark hasn't. Plus the market is better this year for statring pitchers. I guess I am just hoping we hang on to this guy. Contreras can't be traded in 2007, no trade clause. QUOTE(southsideirish @ May 31, 2007 -> 09:59 PM) I hope Buehrle stays. I really don't like the thought of him on another team. If we want to get younger we should try to get what we can for the 60 year old that is the number 1 starter for our team. If we can keep Buehrle as a one and have the rest of the rotation with (2) Garland (3) Danks (4) Vazquez (5) Floyd/Gonzalez/Massett then it is both realistically affordable and young. That is if Buehrle isn't looking for Zito money. If he is then forget the whole thing. I don't think he is though. I would rather trade Crede and bring up Fields, Iguchi and give Chris Getz a chance (not sure if he is ready, but I like his attitude, the way he plays, and his numbers), Dye and bring up Sweeney. That is if the Sox are going to start looking at young players. If they are going to trade to try to compete this year then I would like to find a way to get Ichiro, Alexis Rios, and maybe a bullpen guy to go along with Jenks, Thorton and Massett. I still have faith McDougal will get right as well. We don't have anyone that the Jays would trade for Rios besides Gio/Russell/DeLosSantos. We simply cannot trade away young/affordable future starting pitching for position players. The Blue Jays are looking to keep their young players and weather the storm, and they'll be trading Glaus to the highest bidder, or competing with the White Sox if we try to deal Crede. Getz is another version of Aaron Miles or a poor man's Eckstein. He's not ever going to be an MLB regular, utility infielder and cheap replacement for Cintron/Ozuna/Mack is best case scenario. Who would Seattle possibly want on our roster? Not Dye, not Crede, they have Beltre there. The only thing we could give them is starting pitching, but it makes absolutely no sense for them to trade away their franchise player for relatively expensive veteran pitching.

QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ May 31, 2007 -> 10:00 PM) That's a good question fathom... a good question. The same way the Yankees are in last place and haven't won since 2000, the Angels under Moreno haven't gotten back to the World Series despite a much higher payroll and liberal spending, the Dodgers, Cubs, Mariners, Giants, Red Sox (05-06, they have a good shot this year) and many other teams haven't had results by spending money. Generally, the top quartile teams are the ones that make the playoffs year in and year out, with the exceptions of the Marlins, A's and Twins. So unless you're one of those three teams, you need to spend at least $80-85 million to be competitive.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 31, 2007 -> 09:58 PM) Technically...I believe Mr. Thome's 2008 season is an option year at $14 million. We wouldn't get anything back in the way of draft picks if he walked, and for all I know there was some unwritten agreement related to picking that up if he was traded...but still, if we're really looking to rebuild and slash payroll... He is owed $43.5 million over the final three seasons of his $85 million, six-year contract. The deal also calls for the final $2.5 million of his $10 million signing bonus to be paid next year, normally the responsibility of the original club. Question. With the White Sox receiving $22 million, how exactly has that been allocated? $7.3 million per year? It seems like we're essentially paying him $8 million per year, correct, assuming we made the $2.5 million payment for the remainder of his bonus...? QUOTE(santo=dorf @ May 31, 2007 -> 10:03 PM) You find me a DH who'll put up the same numbers as Thome for $8 million or less for the next three years. You're already throwing in the towel for 2008? Man you're weak. I thought people giving up on this season lacked "marbles," but you're something else. Tex will be a free agent after 2008, so why should the Sox trade for him if they aren't going to be competitive until 2009? Nevermind. KW lacked marbles last year to improve the team. Why should the fans have any faith in him? He went cheap and tried to build for the future and compete at the same time, and you simply cannot do that without a well-stocked minor league system that produces a couple of bonafide regulars each season. We produce a regular seemingly every five years. Why should I have faith in something that the best thing you can say about it, our magnificent new and improved bullpen, is currently our weakest link? The only way they should trade for him is if they can sign him to an extension, like they did with Garcia. That would have to be agreed upon before the trade, and, as noted, it's HIGHLY unlikely that Boras won't take him into Free Agency. So you think we're going to be able to compete by plugging in Owens or Sweeney into the OF? Heck, Mackowiak's not even a regular player, and now he can't run. Lovely. Okay...I shouldn't be surprised, you're probably an ISU fan who thought McCarney was actually going to turn around the Cyclones too.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ May 31, 2007 -> 09:55 PM) Guess we won't be seeing you as much in Pale Hose Talk? Doubt you live up to it. Erstad isn't a major loss. Umm...and that's because Terrero will do such a good job replacing him? Let me guess, you prefer Sweeney or Anderson in CF? Well, that's not going to happen, I highly doubt we'll ever see Brian Anderson with the major league team again.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ May 31, 2007 -> 09:51 PM) Thome is a lot better against RHP than Tex, and he's not waving his NTC to leave Chicago. You would have to be a complete Jackass to take a year and a half with Teixiera and Boras over 2 and a half years of Thome for about $8 million per. Teixeria away from that damn bandbox in Arlington this year: .250/.367/.480/.847 yawn. Thome doesn't do much good, due to the fact that we won't be competitive again until 2009 or 2010, so you have to try to get younger eventually. I guess they can keep Thome and Konerko and Jim can get his 500th HR in front of 22,000 fans. If I were Thome and went from joining a team that was heading back for another World Series and is now headed in the direction of 2-3 .500 seasons, wouldn't you want to join an organization that gave you the best chance to win it all, like the Angels or possibly the Yankees? I feel bad for Jim that he'll have to waste two years of his career with no chance at all to get to post-season play.

QUOTE(chisoxt @ May 31, 2007 -> 08:09 PM) This post makes zero sense. This Sox team should be a seller, not a buyer. The top half is all the teams that are shopping and I matched them with Sox players that are a possible fit. Most websites still have them looking for bullpen help, but doing it "internally," which means we're screwed for all intents and purposes. Do I need to bring back my fire sale posts from a month ago? I was trying to be a little optimistic, or at least giving both the "sellers" and "buyers" something to talk about, besides our horrific level of play.

QUOTE(AirScott @ May 31, 2007 -> 07:21 PM) OK, so we don't call a hit-and-run with AJ on first...the way Halladay's dealing, you like the chances for AJ to move one base to the next in the next few at-bats till he scores? Really? Right now he's allowed 5 hits in 6 innings. AJ goes first to third on a successful hit-and-run, but otherwise it'd take 3 hits to get him home, 2 if we're lucky. You confident we get those hits to get AJ from first to home? I'm much more confident that Scarlett Johanssen is in the Maxim Top 10 hottest next year...than that happening at this point of the demi-tragedy that is the White Sox season.

QUOTE(SnB @ May 31, 2007 -> 07:15 PM) let's all welcome brian anderson back to teh ballclub. Season over. Bring on Owens, just to piss off the Anderson fans even more.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 31, 2007 -> 06:39 PM) f*** this team. Rob Mackowiak seems to get thrown out at home once a week also. At least things aren't predictable. It would be ONE thing if Mackowiak was healthy and could actually run, that would make trying to score asinine. They can't get a DP, so you just stay at your base. And Rob couldn't score on a single to CF from 2nd base if Johnny Damon fielded the ball at the warning track.

QUOTE(TheOcho @ May 31, 2007 -> 06:35 PM) Watch... we won't score.. We f***ing better. When is Mackowiak going on the DL? He's definitely injured.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 31, 2007 -> 04:48 PM) Bs. You just break it down into enough steps to make it sound "complex". The Sox needed to get one out, then have a better inning before the Twins did. Certainly not "complex", and if that's really only remotely possible, then this team is truly hopeless. We probably would have faced Nathan again, as he only threw a handful of pitches. Impossible? Well, Iguchi almost got to him and Konerko had a huge homer (if I'm recalling correctly) to tie a game against Minnesota off Joe as well, or maybe it was Dye, but one of those two.