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QUOTE(Wanne @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 11:58 AM) Dude...we're talking Rocco Baldelli....not Vernon Wells. He's good...but not giving up the farm good for god's sake. Therein lies the dilemma. The D-Rays don't HAVE to trade him, no other team HAS to give up the farm to get him, because he's not a superstar level of player...not even Carl Crawford. So they sit on a depreciating asset and the rest of baseball waits for the price to come down to a more reasonable level.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 10:47 AM) They would want at least one ML ready arm to go along with Kazmir. I think any deal would have to include a young starter, or someone who can start. So, it would have to include Danks or Masset and I'm not giving up either one of those. So until the D-Rays get their collective heads out of their arse all of their players are staying put. At least not coming to the Sox. They would ask for Gio 50 times before they would ask for Masset...

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 10:16 AM) Just a thought, reports have it that NYM is looking to deal Delgado. If Thome is out for an extended period of time, he could fill in... However, I'm sure his contract would nix any of that... just wanted to get discussion going, while there's no real appropriate place to put this thread (yet). There are $14,500,000 reasons not to take Delgado, unless they agree to pay 1/2 or more of his salary and not ask for a player in return.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 08:30 AM) The question is why you bring Terrero into a situation where you already have an adequate rh cf, but you have a desperate need for more offensive firepower. Therein lies the problem. Terrero has 9 MLB homers in over 400 at-bats. At one point, he was one of those 20-20 or 30-30 prospects, but, at this point, he looks like Brian Anderson statistically with even less of a reason to worry about getting playing time or at-bats. Obviously, this was the correct move at the start of the season (everyone could see it and anticipate Erstad would get 90-95% of the starts). But Sweeney in no way, shape or form is an adequate everyday replacement for Thome's bat long-term. KW and OG, hopefully, feel the same way, but we can't be so sure.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 08:26 AM) Well, here's a thought. What say you limit those Erstad-supporting posts to topics that involve Erstad and those Ozzie-is-not-a-racist posts to topics where someone has actually made the accusation? Or at least where someone might conceivably make the accusation -- unlike, oh, the choice between two Latinos. You hijacked YOUR OWN f***ING THREAD. In the first post. Unbef***inglievable. I don't know why you would think anyone should change his mind just because of your post volume. I don't post much in the relevant threads because I'm tired of seeing the same goddam bits over and over. But it gets really annoying when you start using something like this, something totally unrelated, as a soapbox on which to defend Ozzie and bash Anderson. Want me to answer your questions? Ask them in some relevant thread. On the other hand, I am grateful that you realized that "jackie" can be a guy's name. Ozzie has not mentioned Perez recently, nor has KW. In his most recent comments, he said the call-up was between Fields (as a DH) and Sweeney to replace Thome. Since Terrero is the only player capable of playing CF and Owens is battling an injury, Terrero's the best option unless they go out outside of the organization. And it would take Perez at least a week or so before he would be ready to play. The point of the thread is how ridiculous it is to say that Ozzie is racist, because I've seen it overtly alleged, as well as more covert accusations. It permeates a number of threads. I also see Ozzie being held responsible for not helping the White Sox sign every Venezuelan player (since he's Venezuelan), as well as the disaster with Razor Shines, BA and the Tiburones (Sharks) this past winter. I have no reason to bash Anderson, I said I would pick him over Jeremy Reed in another thread. The only manager in baseball who's not under fire is the manager of the defending World Series champions, and LaRussa's already had his share of headaches this year, now exacerbated by the death of Hancock and the media boycott against the Post-Dispatch after their comments about the Cubs. We think we have it bad? The Cardinals REALLY went on the cheap and they're suffering for it...no team is pitching to Pujols unless they absolutely have to, and the Cardinals' rotation is in shambles without Carpenter. I wonder if Cardinals fans are as critical as we are, because it seems they tend to be more supportive. I would say the same thing about BA I said about Rowand, Borchard and Crede when they first came up....those long, looping swings are going to be picked apart by major league hitters. BA is classically in-between. He has to guess fastball to get his bat started fast enough...but he's still not hitting the breaking ball, which has been his Achille's heel. You would think with a slower or slider speed bat, he would be able to stay on the pitch to the outside and poke it into RF, but he's pulling too much with the front side of his body and I don't even think he's seeing the ball the last 5-10 feet. He swings and misses as much as any Sox player I've seen, perhaps with the exception of Borchard.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 08:28 AM) 1 - then place someone else in that deal instead of Anderson - who cares. 2 - Baldelli played yesterday as far as I know. I believe he hit a HR. He had a bruised knee, nothing serious. GET'ER DONE! If you're the D-Rays, you reject BA as part of the deal. You ask for either Fields or Sweeney. At that point, KW is likely to say no, and there's no deal. You can't or probably shouldn't trade Sweeney OR Fields, Logan and Broadway for Rocco Baldelli, because Baldelli's not nearly the caliber of player that Crawford is...and we need what Crawford can do in LF (assuming Pods is "iffy" for the rest of the season) than to replace Erstad. It's a lot cheaper to go out and get a full-time 1B/DH type of player than Rocco Baldelli.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 08:10 AM) I don't think they would want him either, but who is the best player in this deal? Wouldn't you say Baldelli is? I would. Since that is the case the White Sox are getting the better end of it. I would give up all of those players for Baldelli. What is stopping this from happening? One, they probably have no interest in BA at this point. He has to prove SOMETHING at Charlotte. Two, Baldelli is injured again, not sure if he's on the DL or not, but he's always getting little nagging injuries.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 06:25 AM) What the hell did you think your quote was reffering to? Of course they are talking about the majors otherwise it doesn't mean a damn thing. I remember Jon Rauch having some solid years in the minors. I guess he's an impact player (at the minor league level) too. Are you kidding me? Seriously? It's related directly to the quote in your sig. How is it that it doesn't matter when other teams' prospects make an "impact," yet you keep counting the current and last couple of years against the Sox? How is OK to assume those guys will make an impact in the future yet we can't do that with Lance Broadway or Egbert? Total hypocrisy. Rauch has STILL made an impact as one of the best middle relievers (statistically), but he would have been a very good starter if not for the labrum injury. QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 07:02 AM) Rauch has STILL made an impact as one of the best middle relievers (statistically), but he would have been a very good starter if not for the labrum injury. "And, most importantly, they fail to compensate for low draft positions by improving their position among international scouting. You think our low-round drafting has been atrocious? Just try and spin our lack of success overseas. We haven't produced as much as a Neifi Perez clone since Ordonez and Lee." Iguchi and Takatu had quite an impact, I would say. We just signed a Korean pitcher for $300,000. There was the Anderson Gomes deal. You won't see an immediate payoff from all of those moves, but it's a step in the right direction. We're not going to go out and outspend the Yankees or Red Sox for top talent internationally, but progress is being made. If you want Neifi Perez clones, you can take Andy Gonzalez or Pedro Lopez. Or maybe you would prefer the White Sox be the worst team in the American League for 2-3 consecutive years so we can rebuild with high draft picks. It's amazing the White Sox remained competitive (up with the Braves and Yankees, two teams with much bigger budgets over the last 15 years) for such a long time, without bottoming out. That's a testament to scouting at the major and minor league levels...sometimes the "development" is lacking on the minor league side, but we've always done a good job of maintaining a .500 or better team.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Apr 30, 2007 -> 12:52 AM) You know someone's really obsessed when he rants about charges of racism in a choice between Luis Terrero and Eduardo Perez. Those Perez supporters -- always saying that Ozzie ran whitey out of town. Another great post. Absolutely nothing topical. Exactly the quality I expect from you. Maybe every post on here should be in green, because nobody's going to change their mind about anything. Seriously, I could support Erstad with 1,000 posts a day, and those who preferred Anderson will not admit that he's the better choice, even now. Message boards are for fun, it's not the United Nations Security Council. Mr. Hayes, do you think Ozzie Guillen is a "fair" manager? Simple question...yes or no? To tell you the truth, I'd never even considered the matter until some posters were attacking Ozzie about the treatment of Tracey, McCarthy and Anderson. But the World Series championship, his "man-love" for Sweeney and Erstad and Rowand (not to mention numerous Sox veterans)...that all flies in the face of this "theory." Heck, even Boone Logan has been thrown right back into the fire and has been given every opportunity to earn his spot back in the bullpen, and he might become the primary guy soon with the way Sisco and Thornton have been struggling. This whole "treatment" issue comes down to BA, KW and Ozzie...and there's a lot going on behind the scenes that nobody could possibly know about. It's all just speculation at this point, beyond a few clues and Scott Merkin articles and his 17 AB's in one month of play.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 11:39 PM) I was a much bigger fan of Reed than Anderson. Reed's had a longer chance to prove himself a failure, but I think I'm still more in his corner. It's also easier to cheer for the Rowands/Reeds of the world, the underdogs, the players that might not be as physically gifted but who get everything possible out of their talent...than the first-round draft picks who have all the ability in the world but never put it together, for a multitude of reasons. Buehrle's the perfect example, very low draft pick, community college, grinder, not blessed with natural ability above and beyond many posters here, lol. That's why MB is the heart and soul of the franchise, and the player that JR is MOST likely be "break the bank" to keep in Chicago...not Crede or Dye.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 11:22 PM) Why would it be Perez? He's not in our organization. If we weren't smart enough to keep him in the first place, why would we sign him now? He loves his vets and don't try and play that like that. He does jack to defend the young guys on the team. He's s***ty at helping young developing players. I don't know why he seems to like Sweeney more than the others, either. Because he likes Sweeney's hustle and style of play. He's the anti-Anderson, he's NOT nonchalant. You really saw it in that Red Sox series last year...the reckless style of play that he also admired in Rowand and now admires in Erstad. He's been impressed with Sweeney ever since ST after he was drafted, and hasn't changed his mind yet. He's a "ballplayer" (to use Ozzie and Hawk lingo), not an athlete trying to play baseball, like Anderson or Borchard or perhaps even Fields. There's something about lefties that make fans and scouts fall in love with them (Olerud, Palmeiro, Grace, etc.) QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 11:51 PM) I don't know what you're talking about. I liked him because he was a suffer, smoked pot, and had blonde hair. You're crazy............ Maybe the veteran leadership and "discipline" of the White Sox clubhouse was what McCarthy needed, because he's falling apart now in Texas. As bad as Anderson's swing looks, McCarthy's mechanics and confidence are even lower right now, if that's possible.

QUOTE(max power @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 11:08 PM) 4-5 games for a bench player is enough for me. I can't think of any bench players in the two years after timo left that did that. Mackowiak did that last year, although he took away 3-4 wins defensively (not his fault for being played out of position). Cintron won 2-3 games last year (two against DET when Uribe was out) at least. QUOTE(greg775 @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 11:04 PM) Our scouts need to go. How could anybody draft a guy who bats like BA No. 1? He looks like a pitcher at the plate. What round was Jeremy Reed? We need new scouts. Reed was a great pick. He was an overachiever who became Minor League player of the year, which allowed him to have enough "cache" to get the M's to take him for Garcia as the centerpiece of that deal, along with Olivo. Reed was always going to be limited defensively, not being either a power or speed player. He's actually an ideal 4th/5th outfielder who can also play 1B, the role many want for Erstad but one we can't afford, since DE is currently our best hitter and has been for the last two weeks, along with 4-5 huge clutch hits that put us in the lead or tied the game. QUOTE(BearSox @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 11:10 PM) Jeremy Reed was round 2 greg. I wouldn't mind Owens being called up. He has been doing good. I think Ozzie said he had a nagging injury. Terrero will be the call-up apparently.

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 11:03 PM) Terrero better not take any playing time from Sweeney or Ozuna. He better be used solely as an emergency CFer. I can just see it now, if Terrero plays against all lefties after BA hardly got to play at all...that will be funny. I almost wish Ozzie would do it, just because it would outrage soxtalk and wsi so much.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 09:55 PM) I'll deal with it because I have to. It's not going to stop me from b****ing up a storm. I haven't complained about Pierzynski, Konerko, and Crede because they've produced very well within the past 3 years. Erstad's put up an OPS around .700 over his past 1400 PAs; how is that good? If they could determine that he is or isn't a major league hitter based off of 400 ABs, then I'll s*** bricks of gold that smell like roses. There's quite obviously a rift between Brian Anderson and Ozzie Guillen, and it's likely that it will never be healed. Ozzie is about to leave Chicago, so I see no way Anderson will start. How is Guillen about to leave Chicago? He will be here AT LEAST through the 2008 season, if not longer. Manuel had a 3 year window after the 2000 season, Ozzie will have a 4-5 year window after winning the World Series and the fact that JR is so loyal to former Sox players and employees. Who do you want to replace him that's going to lead this over the hill line-up into the World Series? If you want to criticize someone, it should be Walker...how many White Sox hitters have become better under his tutelage? Crede has produced for 3 years? Make it one and one-half and we'll have a deal.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines Okay, now we will have two weeks of criticizing Sweeney and/or Terrero for not being BA, lol. If Terrero plays and plays well, it will be because Ozzie likes him and he's Hispanic. If Sweeney doesn't excel, it will be because Ozzie doesn't like "white" players (see Tracey, Borchard, Anderson, McCarthy, Rauch). And everyone forgets we ran Miguel Olivo out of town, he wasn't white, lol. Of course, Ozzie's greatest compliments over the last four years have been directed at Buehrle, Crede, Konerko, Thome and also Ryan Sweeney to a lesser extent...OH, and I forgot Erstad and Rowand. But Ozzie's definitely crazy and a reverse racist, right?

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 10:52 PM) Fields would seem to me to be a very illogical choice. He's clearly not ready, off to a bad start at the plate, and has been said to be looking "lazy" in the field. Why start his arbitration clock running so soon, especially just to sit on the bench for two weeks? I'm guessing they will have to bring back Eduardo Perez.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 10:17 PM) Without considering who the manager is or anything like that, who would you take, Brian Anderson or Jeremy Reed? This should be fun. Mods, could you please put a poll in, thanks. I've defended Erstad for most of the first month and I would still pick Anderson and not hesitate on that one, if he were with another organization.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 10:49 PM) Fields would seem to be the logical choice, but a growing part of me envisions Terrero or Owens being called up. Or, of course, a move for Timo. I've heard they're looking at Armando Rios or Brian Daubach. Or should that be in green. Can you just imagine the press conference announcing the signing of that grinder John Mabry to save our offense? QUOTE(max power @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 10:50 PM) People make fun of timo here but I remember him being pretty f***ing clutch There were 4-5 games in his career here (against Benitez, against the Angels), but not enough to justify his overall suckiness as a player in general.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 10:37 PM) The Sox really wanted Pierre this offseason, but were basically eliminated as soon as Soriano got the monster deal from the Cubs. I thought El Duque signed like a 3 yr , 15 million dollar deal. He was so bad at the end of 2005 that he had to get removed from the rotation, and he wasn't going to be a starter in 2006 even if the trade never happened. Of course, he made up for any negatives with that one inning in the playoffs. However, I don't think KW believed he'd have to trade him after one season. Well, I apologize for that then as I clearly meant to ask about free agents not associated with our team. I think the lack of answers either way shows that the Sox don't get into bidding wars for high priced talent. David Wells is the lone exception under KW. I don't know how many people we "beat" to get him for the 01 season, but I'm sure we weren't the only ones. His contract was around $9.5 million or something like that. It hasn't been the big deal that has hurt the White Sox, in 2003, a little thing like spending $3-4 million on Kenny Rogers or having a legit closer the entire season (or not have Manuel as manager) would have put us in the playoffs. Of course, there's Dye and AJ and Iguchi as well. If nothing else, KW proved he could find "undervalued" players and pay them less to play as well as "high priced/guaranteed contract" talent. Back to an earlier point in the discussion about the Twins...where they have succeeded is in the patience with Morneau and Cuddyer, along with the "luck" of not having enough money to sign Prior. We'll never know if the Twins would have taken Prior over hometown "hero" Mauer, but it's interesting how quickly a negative turned into a net positive with the Twins on that one. The White Sox, if they had a Morneau or Cuddyer, RECENTLY didn't have the luxury of playing them for 2-3 years before they developed...like the case of Crede and Rowand.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 09:42 PM) I actually don't think the Sox have done that terribly drafting and developing pitching. They haven't excelled the way the Twins have, but the Twins have to be the best in baseball at it. It doesn't excuse it, but lots of other teams passed on Garza as well. And the injury attrition rate among pitchers is so horrific, I'm sure most other teams have pitching prospect lists that are as bad as the Sox (the Mariners, for example). Even though the Giants have had some successes (Matt Cain, and Lincecum -- who I can't wait to see), they had the trio of Foppert, Aisworth, and Williams flame out though all were highly regarded. Anyway, I agree the Sox need to improve and need to draft "stuff" pitchers more heavily. But the system's biggest failure is in developing position players. I see 1 decent position prospect in the Sox system. That's just atrocious. It's because we've used our minor leaguers for trade...and it's much better to stock up on pitchers than position prospects, because those are the easiest to acquire (1B/DH), and left-handed starters, the most expensive. Carter and Cunningham both look solid. Lumsden was right around making the BA Top 100 list and Young was between 5-20 on almost every top 100 list for all of MLB. Of the Twins' pitchers, almost all of them came via trade or Rule 5... Lohse (Rule 5) Silva (trade with Phillies) Santana (Rule 5, then trade to Minnesota) Bonser/Liriano/Nathan (AJ deal) Durbin never evolved. They do deserve credit for Rincon, Crain, Balfour (before injury) and Neshek in that nasty pen. Baker, Garza, Slowey and Perkins look like they could all be good, but I would say we have a similar chance to have an impact with what we have in AA/AAA. I'd say it's about equal. What the Twins and White Sox do extremely well is find prospects in the minors (Twins) and undervalued players in the majors (White Sox, with Loaiza, Contreras, Marte, Uribe, Thornton, Sisco, Aardsma being some of the best examples) who we can acquire cheaply or with prospects who don't fit with KW's long-term plans.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 09:14 PM) Javy is signed through 2010. My mistake, I thought they included this year in the deal... A lot will obviously depend on what happens to Garland and Buehrle. (I know, understatement of century). For now, I don't even care about Crede anymore...although he has to hit again for his value to go up to where it "should" be in the mid-summer trade market. Problem with that is there's now uncertainty surrounding Fields too. QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 09:17 PM) You're right to assume not many top-line starters emerge from those picks. However, there are quite a number of legitimate major league pitchers and prospects: Since 2000: -Adam Wainwright -Boof Bonser -Noah Lowry -Jeremy Bonderman -Joe Blanton -Matt Cain -Chad Cordero -David Aardsma -Chad Billingsley -Adam Miller -Glen Perkins -Philip Hughes -Eric Hurley -Matt Garza It's not impossible to make a good selection at our draft position. That's still down to a 20-30% chance.....divide those players (and the jury's out on at least half of them STILL) by 7 years. Interestingly, Bonderman, Bonser, Aardsma have made their impacts with other teams. Also, SF seems like they've done a good job with those picks (Cain and Lowry too), but let Bonser and Aardmsa go too soon perhaps. I really wish the White Sox wouldn't go with the more polished pitcher approach over taking guys with stuff like Garza or Baker out of OSU (Twins). It will haunt KW if he has to deal with Garza for the next six years while Broadway rots in AAA or with the Nationals/D-Rays as their fifth starter. Ring, McCullough and Broadway were certainly not considered "stuff" pitchers....although KW has had "hits" later in the draft with the likes of Buehrle, McCarthy, Malone, Rauch, etc. Also, we have a COLLECTION of first rounders on this team from other organizations....Aardsma (SFG), Thornton (SEA), Jenks (5th), Sisco (Cubs/Royals) and then MacDougal (KCR). I think DJ once said we had more first round draft picks on our major league roster than any organization.

QUOTE(max power @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 09:04 PM) Can't every competitive team save the marlins list just as many failures from the first round? I think this is good for brian. He needs at bats. He wasn't improving on the bench here. Just getting to the big leagues, it's only 2/3rd's or so (of the first rounders). Then you have the "high impact" All-Star caliber players, and the majority of them are usually packed in the Top 5-10 picks, of which we almost never have that opportunity to pick so high. If you want to see a record of disastrous first round picks, look at franchises like the Orioles or Royals. Our farm system isn't horrible, it isn't great either. We're somewhere, realistically, between 13th-17th and top loaded in AA and AAA with pitching. No legit catching prospects (I know, Lucy and Hernandez have SOME fans)...no middle infield prospects either, unless you count Getz and Shelby. QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 09:08 PM) Is Contreras signed for another 2 full seasons? And obviously I meant a bidding war for a player not affiliated with our team. Yes, through 2009, same as Javier now.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 09:01 PM) If Fields doesn't turn around his swing/attitude right now, his stock is going to plummet. People in the press box in Durham this weekend were shocked at how bad he looked. We don't spend big money on free agents. If you look at how things are setting up, we're going to have a lot of positions opening up in the next two years that if we want to compete at a division winning level, we're going to have to go outside the organization. If KW really doesn't want to re-sign Buehrle, Garland, or Contreras, then I don't see how we're going to have a lot of trade chips to acquire offensive help. When you can't call up a single player to DH from your system, it makes you worry about your offensive prospects. When's the last time we got into a bidding war for a player and won once it go over 6 million a year? For Konerko against the Angels and Orioles...and Garland/Contreras/Vazquez, essentially, as they decided to stay here instead of testing the market. Why would we re-sign Jose past 2009 and Konerko past 2010? Both of those contracts might end up being difficult to move...in fact, Konerko's deal is the only one I worried about in the previous five years (when he was really slumping, like he is now), along with the El Duque contract. KW has been very smart with most of his contracts. Fact is, McCarthy and Young are also struggling...so everyone's criticizing the farm system, although they would be b****ing even more if both were leading in the ROY race (I know, Brandon has too many IP).

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 08:57 PM) And since Williams has been here, the Sox have definitely shown they are not willing to spend money. Sorry Fathom, but I beleive you are way off here. ????? Ummm....don't we have the 4th and 7th highest MLB payrolls over the last two seasons? The White Sox have traditionally spent more money on payroll than their attendance justified, and the fact is we won the World Series with a $75 million dollar payroll only two seasons ago. In fact, the White Sox "valuation" by Forbes is 15th but we're spending like a first or second quartile franchise in terms of payroll. We probably had the most expensive rotation in baseball last year, except for the Red Sox or Yankees. Now if you think we should just go out and get an Abreu or Ichiro or Soriano, no, that's not likely to happen...it's only possible for about 5 clubs in baseball.

QUOTE(Wanne @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 08:18 PM) Not sure of all the facts regarding him leaving winter ball this past year. Didn't he have some intestinal virus or something? As for Anderson...you hit the nail on the head IMO. They traded Rowand with no real plausible options for CF. In all honesty...Anderson never should have even been up last year...so to completely criticize the guy and call him a worthless piece of crap...not a good baseball player at all, etc...is completely off base. If anything...another major league outfielder (Byrnes for one option) should have been added last year even if it meant putting Pods (gak) in center. Anderson shouldn't have even been considered until he showed he could put up good numbers in Charlotte on a consistant basis. Don't blame Anderson for Christ sakes....blame Kenny. Mid to high first round college outfielders SHOULD be ready in that time span...unless they're BA or Borchard. Sweeney is a better player right now and he had three years of missing college time and he also played in Iowa, not a warm weather state.