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http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb We could have an interest in Teahen for 3B (although he's not much more than Joe Randa-Lite unless he hits like he did a couple of seasons ago)... We certainly would have interest in any of the three Indians outfielders to play CF. However, I doubt, after watching Quentin explode, that Shapiro would take a chance and trade either Francisco or Rodriguez to us. I haven't seen Crowe play much, and I'm sure there are concerns about any of these "corner outfielders" (once again, haven't seen Crowe enough) playing CF in Chicago on an everyday basis. I can say that I would take either over BA, but that doesn't mean our talent matches up to get the deal done. I guess they're ready to declare Marte a bust officially...but I think they would like to acquire someone with more predictive certainty than Josh Fields. Then again, Josh has a lot more potential offensive upside than Teahen IMO.

Well, every GM makes a mistake now and then. You could have argued the merits of Vazquez/Young after 07 and still it will be a long debate over who won that trade. At least, we know one thing, FDLS and Gio Gonzalez are highly unlikely to be top-line starting pitchers in the majors and Ryan Sweeney is not well-suited for the power game of Comiskey...although he's a good athlete and has many skills you'd like to see in a young outfielder, he was never a very good fit for our style of play unless he could play CF adequately, which is questionable at best. The only really bad contracts we have right now are Contreras and McDougal...Dotel, coming off the way he pitched in the post-season, doesn't look HORRIBLE, but $6.5 million is a LOT for a set-up guy that's not close to automatic, like Linebrink was the first half of the season, or Hermanson was in 2005. Of course, Konerko's and Thome's deal aren't the best in the world either, but as a White Sox fan, you can't really argue they're terrible...NOT signing Paulie after 2005 would have sent a bad message to the fanbase. And we're still getting some money (apparently) to subsidize the Thome deal (in fact, the Philly won't have any problem at all paying that out after this week). In fact, it was holding onto Dye and Buehrle that largely allowed this team to hang on and make the playoffs this year, instead of going into more of a youth phase (hard to do that without any young players in your system!).

"I'm not nothing." Signed, Jon Adkins' purported 95 MPH heater.

I'm not going to even hope that he will be as good as Longoria has been so far. I would certainly be willing to accept 15-18 homers, 75 RBI's and a .275-.280 batting average in his first season in the big leagues. You have to go back to Carlos Lee, Ordonez and Ray Durham for that type of production in Sox rookies, not including Alexei Ramirez as the typical rookie but certainly he was outstanding, too. (Durham was 7, 51 and .257 with 18 sb's). It took Aaron Rowand three "half" seasons to get started before he put up 24 homers, 69 RBI's, 38 doubles and .310 BA in one of his best seasons ever. Same thing with Joe Crede.

Sheets isn't going to go for an incentives-based deal, he will want guarantees and he will get them from some crazy GM/owner combination. Second, Bill Hall is a disaster defensively...good idea, but it's generally better to try to find an undervauled player who's young and has upside rather than a player on the wrong side of 30. However, I don't think he would cost as much as some think, and he would be perfect for the Uribe "supersub" role, having the versatility to play most infield and outfield positions (albeit not very well!!) I don't think the Royals are going to have any incentive to trade us a potential starter in Teahen/Joe Randa Lite. Yes, Gordon's ensconced over there (although he could move to 1B if Shealy flops again) for now...and Teahen doesn't have the power for a corner outfield spot. Neither does DeJesus, to be honest. I think the odds of him being dealt to another team in the division are minimal at best. He's not a journeyman reliever, he's a decent player with doubles power who very easily could have a bounceback season batting in a line-up where there is a lot more protection all around him...that makes a big difference (Dye/Thome/Konerko/Quentin versus Jose Guillen and Alex Gordon to protect you!) I wouldn't mind Kelly Johnson at all. Finally, I have so-so confidence at best in the names you mentioned (Contreras, Poreda, Broadway, Richard) having a huge impact on the rotation next year. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. I think Poreda needs one more season to work on his command/control and offspeed stuff...Richard is ideally the 2nd lefty out of the pen...Contreras, the rest might be great for his arm, but I'm not sure his aging lower body can survive another season with all the weight you put on an Achilles'/ankle. Fingers crossed on that one.

She's just a lot more fun to look at than baseball players, IMO. Maybe I should change to Kathy Bates, Sandra Bernhardt or The Golden Girls for my avatar? Rosie O'Donnell? Roseanne Barr?

QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Oct 14, 2008 -> 07:13 PM) you should just marry her Already married a Russian model...why not an actress, lol? In all seriousness, I fell victim to "love at first sight." Men know we should pick the 6/7/8 looking girl (on a 10 scale) but we always seem to shoot too high, instead of finding someone we'd be really happy with, we get into the "she's a real challenge" mode and do anything to win over the most beautiful women, even though they are like empty calories or funnel cakes covered in powdered sugar. They look great, but then you're a little disappointed in the end and wish you chose something more substantive.

QUOTE (Cubano @ Oct 14, 2008 -> 04:50 PM) There are honeys every where. I am not a free agent anymore so I only look now. The first thing I learned in America was that after you married, it is cheaper to keep the wife than divorce her unless you want to live in a basement for the rest of you life. I thought long and hard about marrying a Colombiana (when I lived there for one year)...but not an "Americanized" Colombiana. Muy bonita! What do you think about Venezuelan, Brazilian and Argentinian girls, lol? Isn't Eva Mendes of Cuban descent? I like her a lot.

This whole thing about race isn't quite as annoying as the NBA, where Steve Nash is "heady/gritty" and black players are "lightning quick" or can jump out the gym, etc. Although "grinders" are USUALLY white players, eg., Erstad/Miles/Eckstein/Getz, etc. Grady Sizemore is probably the best all-around 5 tool athlete in baseball. Larry Walker was an outstanding athlete. Shawn Green in his prime. Dale Murphy Howard Johnson Dante Bichette Jeff Bagwell David Wright

If it was announced that Mark Ellis signed today (which obviously is impossible) for $4.5 million for 2009 with a team option for 2010 in 2010 for $5.5 million and a buy-out for something like $500K to $1 million, would most Sox fans be happy? I think the reaction would be pretty "blah" about such a move. It would be a pretty big gamble. I guess it depends on what kind of gambles we're also making/taking at 3B and in CF. IF we had Fields as the starter at 3B with Swisher in CF again, and our only "improvement" was Mark Ellis and Clayton Richard was likewise our 5th starter (with Javy Vazquez as the fourth), then I would probably pick this team for 3rd place, at best, maybe 4th.

It's just logical. 1) The highest percentage of growth in baseball demographics is Latin America over the last 10-15 years...with the dropoff in African-Americans perhaps levelling off and eventually stabilizing with the RBI programs as well as the fact that basketball is due for some economic problems if the current economic conditions persist for a few years. You're already starting to see players go to Europe. 2) We have Guillen and Cora, who both should have advantages relating to Spanish born players 3) Guillen was the first Latino/Hispanic manager to win the World Series, and he has HUGE name recognition in Venezuela 4) We have recent examples of success with Damaso Marte (until 05), Alexei Ramirez, Jose Contreras, El Duque, Luis Vizcaino, Ordonez, Carlos Lee, Jose Valentin, etc....going all the way back in history to Minoso and Aparicio. Carlos Quentin sort of counts, lol. And Borchard's family spoke Spanish.

Something I find interesting is that we've put very little money into signing Latin American players to big ($500K plus) signing bonuses...with the dearth of high first round draft picks over the years, I would think there would be something of a focus here. Maybe we can attribute this to problems with Dave Wilder, but it has to go deeper than just the Dominican, because we've struggled with Venezuela as well, despite Guillen being a national hero there to many. I'm not sure where the lack of focus and attention comes from or if it is attributable to KW and JR's philosophy on spending or what it is...just kind of curious. We've invested in a Korean pitcher, Brazilian (Gomes?), we have Silverio and Martinez who may or may not eventually make an impact...but you have to go back to Ordonez and Carlos Lee for some "born and bred" Latin prospects we've incubated from age 16. Of course, we also have Alexei Ramirez, Tadahito Iguchi and Shingo Takatsu as more recent examples of international success...but no Dominicans or Venezuelans, which is about 30-40% of the MLB talent pool right now, along with the developing Asian market/s like China,Taiwan and Korea (and of course Japan).

I'm not going to buy the fact that subbing Ellis for Cabrera is improving our offense somehow...at best, we're treading water. He has played 122 games, 124 games and 117 games in three of the last four years, only once reaching the 150 mark. Cabrera, if nothing else, was very durable and could always be expected to answer the bell. If we want Chris Getz or someone else to get 40+ starts, maybe he's our guy??? I just can't see how his durability improves over time, and why KW would invest $10+ million over 2 years in a 31 year-old 2B who's not really a legit speed threat anymore (probably similar to Cabrera, maybe 5-7 less steals).

"He said that he throws 92 MPH." Well, I guess we'll have about 30 scouts verifying that...and whether it's 92 with wicked movement or 92 MPH Billy Koch style. Big difference.

As long as we don't see Beckham, Ellis AND Getz together...I think that would be giving up way too much offense. He's into his 30's now (warning sign #1 on Ellis), he made $5 million last year (too expensive vis a vis just going with Getz and investing the money elsewhere, as noted with previous discussions about the ROI of putting $10-12 million per year into an aging Hudson)...he hit only .233 with a .694 OPS and he's coming off an injury-plagued year. In fact, he seems to have always had problems with injuries, not quite like Rocco Baldelli, but close. He is good at taking walks and can steal you 18-24 bases per year, but I think we can do better than Mark Ellis. At least I HOPE so.

Hudson at $10-12 million over 3 years. No go. Hudson at $8-10 million over 2 years. Maybe. Mark Ellis...probably not, but a remote possibility. Certainly not on KW's Top 5 "most wanted" list.

I really think we give up a lot of our offensive advantage putting Alexei in CF. Out there in CF, he's good to very good offensively (compared to MLB norms), but if we can get his pop from SS and Beckham's from 2B (assuming we can get 20-25 homers and 75-80 RBI's at 3B)...then we're in REALLY good shape. That does allow us to have a speedster/leadoff hitter like Taveras (not him specifically though!) without many homers in CF...or maybe someone like CoCo Crisp, depending on what we have to give up. If the time horizon on Beckham is mid-2010 as many claim, it makes VERY little sense to go out and sign an Orlando Hudson long-term or trade for Chone Figgins, unless you really want to lock Beckham in at 3B...which is where it seems he would be the worst fit offensively (saying that not projecting as a corner infielder type of hitter, but more of a line drive, doubles/gap hitter who will get 18-24 per season due to Comiskey). OTOH, KW is always in a "win now" mode, and Beckham, AT BEST, MIGHT make us more competitive in 2010...so I'm not sure Beckham's development is influencing KW's "in the present" decision-making process as of yet.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Oct 14, 2008 -> 07:30 AM) That's the thing- there's no way they deal him. Well, I'm sure they won't deal him to us either, but I wanted to put together a complete expanded "universe" of all the players at that position (middle infielders) who are in their mid to late 20's and fit the Carlos Quentin profile. Because Jones has some time at SS, I thought he was interesting name to include...just for conversation's sake. (And just because talking about the same players over and over again is a little boring...and because nearly everyone said the player that KW goes after won't be on most of our radar screens but will be a name out of left field). Definitely, we're more likely to go after Roberts (an iffy proposition at best to fight off the Cubs, who will be doubly determined) and the Orioles are going to try to find a suitor for Mora as well IMO...if there's some kind of megatrade that goes down, we might make Jones the "deal-breaker" if the O's GM can't find any other way to get the talent/prospects he wants back for either Roberts or Mora. I will agree thought that Jones, undoubtedly, is likely to stay put.

Remember A-Rod trying to interrupt the end of the World Series last year with his ridiculous contract complaints? That didn't make too many in NYC or the Commissioner's Office very happy, to say the least. I guess Darth Boras was elated, at least.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Oct 14, 2008 -> 04:43 AM) when does the trade wire start officially? december? traditionally around the time of the Winter Meetings in the first or 2nd week of December...it used to be that tons of trades went down at this event, but it has faded in importance in the last 10-15 years it was a good way to get attention focused back on baseball in the winter months...but, with 24 hour news cycles and the Internet, not so relevant...one of the more interesting parts of it is the Rule V draft these days sometimes, KW doesn't even spend the full amount of time there (he tends to want to operate under the radar, and "big" events tend to bring too much focus and speculation on the deals he's attempting to make behind the scenes...generally, December and January are the best months for player movement and possible trades

I just don't think it is in KW's nature to trade for a 2B who is not only going to be expensive to acquire, but is also going into the most expensive period (prime) of his career in contract terms as well...Edgar Renteria makes almost as much sense, guessing along with KW and Ozzie. We have 4 months to wait....well, 3 at least.

I was trying to figure out what move KW would make at 2B/SS and I came up with this all-encompassing list of possibilities...that could play SS and/or 2B, depending on what Williams decides to do with CF and SS (Alexei Ramirez). Very unlikely Age 20...Elvis Andrus, Braves Prospects/Suspects 23...Marcus Sanders (SFG) coming off injury 23...Chris Nelson (Rockies) very, very low OPS in minors, once considered a premiere prospect 24...Joel Guzman (Rays) at 3B now, came up as SS, could he also play 2B, like Iwamura did with Longoria taking over there? 24...Joaquin Arias (Rangers) 24...Cliff Pennington (A's) Will take Crosby's spot??? 24...Brandon Wood (Angels) Would the Angels give up on him this quickly? 25...Brent Lillibridge (Braves) 25...Sergio Santos (Twins)...once considered a star, Twins will never give him to us, unless he's released outright 26...Jayson Nix (Rockies)...a possible KW target??? Most Interesting Names (thinking of the Carlos Quentin acquisition) 23...Adam Jones, great athlete, came up as a SS originally, a few similarities with Alexei Ramirez (not power hitter yet, or accomplished basestealer) 25...Jose Lopez (Mariners) how expensive would he be to acquire? 25...Ronny Cedeno (Cubs) can he hit enough to not be a utility player? 26...Aaron Hill (Blue Jays) coming off very disappointing season 26...Richie Weeks (Brewers) DITTO, available for the right price? 26...JJ Hardy (Brewers) will be replaced soon by cheaper and younger Escobar, has he reached his peak? Cost of acquisition? 26...Josh Barfield (Indians) can he be rehabilitated, and would the Indians let us have him? 28...Scott Hairston (Padres) very interesting power numbers in limited at-bats, White Sox connection through father Oldies but not goodies??? 29...Bobby Crosby injury-prone, has BB given up on him? 29...Khalil Greene have Padres given up on him? 29...Chris Burke acquire at lowest possible price and see what he can do in ST? probably not a good idea to give starting job, let him compete with Getz 33...Kaz Matsui (great season at big league level after redeeming career, KW already has experience with Japanese players)

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 07:43 PM) Are we talking about a rotation of Buehrle, Floyd, Danks, Poreda, and Richard? Because that's four Lefties in a row matter where you spin it, and Ozzie usually likes to rotates righties/lefties so as to give hitters different looks. "Maybe it makes more sense with Poreda in the rotation and Richard as the 5th starter?" What I was trying to do, by asking that question, was argue on behalf of Poreda as the fifth starter and Clayton as loogy. Not four lefties in rotation.

No, the poster (I thought) wanted Poreda in bullpen with Thornton as closer (with Jenks traded)...at least I thought, maybe my brain's not functioning before 8 am here in Thailand. I thought Poreda in the rotation and Richard as the 2nd lefty (Logan's spot) was a better choice, but only if Poreda's secondary pitches are good enough now to get through the line-up 2-3 times.

But aren't Poreda and Thornton essentially similar pitchers....with Poreda a tick or two slower with the FB? Both of them have meh/so-so sliders and off-speed pitches. Something of a big game to go into season relying on Dotel and Linebrink again, but there's not much choice but to hold onto Scott coming off the last two months and maybe trading Dotel for a couple of AA/AAA relievers with electric but inconsistent stuff...or major league relievers in their first 3 seasons. Somebody mentioned Villanueva from MIL as an example of one of these pitchers, as part of a possibly Hardy/Vazquez deal. Maybe it makes more sense with Poreda in the rotation and Richard as the 5th starter? It all depends on how confident they are in Poreda sustaining velocity, not getting hammered when he gets behind in the count and how his stuff translates the second or third time through the line-up.