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QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 09:22 PM) *headshake* What'd Ozzie do to Gload, now? Everyone hates Osvaldo! Apparently Ross Gload was supposed to be our starting LF, even though he doesn't start for KC but platoons with Emil Brown.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 09:21 PM) Ha, good for Gload shoving it up Ozzie's ass. Don Cooper should be ashamed of this. Anyone else notice a terrible jump by Anderson on that play? Don't think there's any way he could have had it, but it should have been close. Gload lucked out, that ball bounces back off the wall and he's out at 3rd.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 09:18 PM) At this rate, at least Ozzie can use Sisco again. Back up to 92-93.... G-Load time. Javy missed horribly with location on Sanders and was lucky not to give up a 3 run dinger. AJ set up outside and it came in high and into his sweet spot.

QUOTE(chisox72 @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 09:14 PM) That's being nice...it looks like s***... 89-91

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 09:11 PM) The downside of the internet has been the misuse of the word "loose" has gone up 10000000000000000000% since 1992. Erstad has a .299 career lifetime batting average as the leadoff hitter.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 07:56 PM) Eliminate 16 teams because all 30 knew he couldn't play 1B. Add to it that Thomas's value was never going to be as a reserve, while Erstad would have had that, and more interested in Erstad starts to make a whole hell of a lot more sense. The Marlins also wanted him to be the starter in CF.

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 07:41 PM) And nowhere near the talent level, what's your point? Ozzie prefers Erstad, it doesn't matter what anyone else says...I think the point made about the back-up QB always being the better option for half the fans, until the back-up QB actually plays and then the fans turn on him and they want the NEXT back-up QB was spot on. Politte, Dye, Hermanson, El Duque, Takatsu, Thornton, Loiaza, Contreras, Iguchi, Everett, Pods, AJ....they all made contributions to the White Sox between age 30-35 (or older) when little was expected of them.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 06:27 PM) Sorry, I stopped reading after you put Frank Thomas and Darin Erstad's name in the same sentence. Too funny. Go make some more threads. How many teams in baseball wanted Frank Thomas after the 2005 season? ONE. And Billy Beane was very reluctant and did lots of due diligence first. How many teams wanted Darin Erstad? At least two. Are you dense? I wasn't comparing them as players, I was making a point that everyone deserves the opportunity to come back from an injury....and that Erstad was a lot younger than Thomas.

QUOTE(JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 12:21 PM) yea good point hey arizona, hows that chris young thing working out for you so far? thanks for javy Not so well for my roto team, I have Alex Gordon and Young, and I activated Young after he already had 8 RBI's, so he's been pretty much useless. At least I didn't overbid for Dice K or Felix Hernandez.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 11:48 AM) Haha, some of these arguments are histerical. "Guys -- Kenny could've done something WORSE, so don't worry!" He was healthy in 2005 and had a .325 OBP. So pretty much, you're wrong. If you look at current White Sox OBP and OPS leaders, you will find the name Scott Podsednik. I don't think anyone would have predicted that either. Nobody knows what budgetary constraints KW is working under, exactly, so it's easy to say we SHOULD have done A, B an C. It's easy to say, let's go get Andruw Jones or Ichiro, etc. Heck, I would rather we spent that $2-3 million that we spend on our bench players for the hiring of the Twins' Director of Scouting and use Angel Gonzalez instead of Alex Cintron. It would be great to have Jose Reyes, but we don't have him. At least KW is taking the most prudent approach here, and he always has the ability to wait for the trade market to open up in June and July if he so chooses.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 11:19 AM) How about Ambrose Burgouix or something like that. Ambiorix Burgos

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 10:45 AM) Ah my favorite writer Joe Posnanski... I wonder how much better the KC pen would have been with MacDougal and Sisco still coming out of it? Don't forget Burgos too. Sisco was never going to recover without a change of scenery, he was in a death spiral.

QUOTE(Jimbo @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 09:42 AM) There is no way we pay fro either Jones or Ichiro, no point in discussing. Hunter's the only FA option, and that's about a 10-15% chance of happening, and it definitely won't happen if Hunter has a 30 HR, 90-100 RBI season. We can get Baldelli if we want to give up some pitching depth, but it will cost Gio, Danks, Russell....one of our frontline starting prospects, plus a reliever or another prospect. Willits from the Angels wouldn't be as expensive. QUOTE(tealeafreaderii @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 09:40 AM) Is it possible he just wanted to upgrade DH and pitching and centerfield just happened to be the assets available? If he could keep Young and move anderson for vasquez... I'm pretty sure he would have done that. How do you know KW wasn't panning to have a stop gap for 2 years untill Ichiro and Jones hit the market? I don't think anyone could foresee that El Duque would still be a legit starting MLB pitcher 18 months after the World Series. Obviously, the best thing would have been to hold onto Chris Young, trade McCarthy for prospects and let El Duque pitch in 2006, but those in favor of that in April of 2006....NOT MANY.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 09:29 AM) If he gets 600 AB's, doesn't he have a clause in the contract that kicks in for $6 million? Yes, which is a lot better than guaranteeing $18 million to an older player IMO. And he has to earn his 600 at-bats, and to do so, he would have to be healthy nearly the entire season. If he's healthy, he's proven that he can be a significant contributor to a playoff-caliber baseball team.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 09:18 AM) ESPN's splits. I think you're missing the point that, barring a big mid-season trade, we're stuck with these players. I agree that KW sort of dropped the ball with the OF this offseason, but the roster is what it is. KW didn't drop the ball. If he had done nothing besides going into the season with Anderson and Terrero and a prayer, THAT would be dropping the ball. At the same time, he ensured that Pods would have a back-up in Mackowiak not playing out of position, instead of having to play Mack in CF. You might not like Erstad, but getting him for $1 milllion is almost as big of a bargain as Dye's contract. We could be getting worse production from Dave Roberts and be stuck paying him $18 million for three years just as easily. There wasn't much out there, would anyone be happy with Preston Wilson's defense and overrated bat in CF instead? I really think we get too emotionally invested in some of the White Sox position prospects because we want so badly for them to become a legit, home-grown star. We haven't had any since Crede, Maggs and C-Lee. Unfortunately, I don't think BA will be one, and I don't hold KW's acquisition of Erstad against Darin, like some seem to. Ozzie and KW have both answered questions on this topic in recent days, it's just that many posters here disagree with them. That's all fine and good, we're all entitled to our opinions, but I guarantee Ozzie is not sitting in the hotel room right now worried about Erstad's OBP or OPS. QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 09:23 AM) ESPN's splits. I think you're missing the point that, barring a big mid-season trade, we're stuck with these players. I agree that KW sort of dropped the ball with the OF this offseason, but the roster is what it is. FWIW, Brian's OBP is actually higher than Erstad's THIS year. There's no reason to talk about BA (from a statistical analysis POV) if he has less than 50 or even 100 at-bats.

QUOTE(Brian @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 09:10 AM) Borowski gave up 6 runs in the 9th against the Yankees just last week to blow a save. Ironic, but not a blown save. Entered 9th with a 6-2 lead, and you can't pitch your way into a save situation (for yourself). http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores107/1...9/MLB733397.htm

We all went through this last year...hopefully not again this year! Did anyone notice the Yankees are 0 for 6 in converting saves. OTOH, the Indians haven't blown one all year, although they did lose a 3-0 lead yesterday against the Twins, only to hold on in extras. http://www.kansascity.com/180/story/81478.html 2005 was easy for Ozzie with the pen, last year was a b---h.

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 12:57 AM) What was even better it was against the CUBS Most recent power ratings.... CNNSI 13th (up from 19) ESPN 17th (down from 13?) this is why the ratings make no sense, this article came out after Thursday's games, so we had just beaten Oakland 2/3 on the road, had a no hitter and took 2/3 from the Rangers and we went down??? DUMB, DUMB, DUMB (I think the same guy had the Angels at 25th) cbssportsline (were 22nd, new rankings out today)

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 06:47 AM) ^ I was thinking the samething with the two threads on the front page. Anyways, it was nice to see Pauly take the team and put it on his back tonight. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/wh...T-sox24.article Don't Stop Believin' is BACK again in the clubhouse...discuss/debate, lol.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 07:56 AM) Jeremy who? Ooops, Andrew.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 07:30 AM) One interesting thing I caught the other day in the Sunday Trib, which I haven't yet seen mentioned is that Ozzie seems to be happy enough with Logan that he is talking about carrying 12 pitchers again when Podsednik gets back. That logically would mean a bus ticket for Brian Anderson, but that remains to be seen. Under KW, only Rowand and Crede have come up and become regular MLB players (over a 5-6 year time span), and neither of these guys was ready to be a regular player when they came up, taking 2-3 years to come into their own. The reality is that the White Sox don't feel they have the luxury to be patient with BA (after last year, not when they're in a "win now" mode with 3 other teams breathing down their necks)...just like they couldn't be patient with Joe Borchard and let him struggle for 2-3 months like Anderson did.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 12:10 AM) Which is exactly the problem alot of us have. Anderson got just under 400 AB's last season. A good amount, but a young player needs more. At least give Anderson a chance to fail. Right now, he isn't even getting a shot, and right now, it looks like he probably wont again with this organization, which is a shame. The only thing the organization cares about is who gives us the better shot to win THIS year. There will be plenty of time for BA to play next year if DE doesn't work out and the Sox miss the playoffs again.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 02:08 AM) yeah it does, but damn I have enough confidence in this offense right now that I really think they'll score enough runs tomorrow, the fact that they haven't faced him be damned. http://www.weather.com/outlook/events/spor...&begDay=114 This game looks to be in serious jeopardy at this point. It would be nice to have won 6/7 going into the DET series, then again, maybe it would be even better for Vazquez to shake his Craig Monroe demons and shut down the kittens.

QUOTE(TheHolyBovine @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 01:48 AM) I need to spell out the problem for some of you: Pods, Erstad, and Anderson don't hit very well. Two of them (Pods and Erstad) never will again because of their age, and Anderson has about an 18% chance of becoming mediocre. Arguing about whether Erstad or Anderson should start is missing the point, IMO. Neither of them should be starting on a championshp team, and Pods wouldn't be a very useful player unless he hit .330. I love KW, and I like the offseason moves he made. I agreed with his return on Garcia and McCarthy, and he did a nice job revamping the bullpen. However, KW's #1 priority this offseason was to add a legit outfield bat. The logical assumption was that he would add a LF. Well, he didn't. He resigned Pods. That's ok if you sign Pods below market value (which he did). The problem is that if you resign Pods, you MUST then upgrade at CF. I thnk it was proven beyond a doubt last year that Pods and Anderson cannot be in the same lineup without significantly diminishing the number of runs a team could potentially score. The only thing worse than an OF that includes Pods and Anderson is an OF that includes Pods and Erstad. Erstad wasn't really very good when he was good, which was a long time ago. The signing of Erstad as a potential starter is inexcusable; he should only be a 5th OF at this point, and really...why would you want him for that role? Not only is Erstad useless as a player, but he compounds, magnifies, and duplicates the original problem -- KW did not upgrade at LF. And I'm not talking about getting Carl Crawford, either. A guy like Scott Hairston could have been had for nothing this offseason...Maybe he still could, I don't know. KW will do something, I just hope it's soon. It doesn't take much to improve from the offensive production of Pods or Erstad. Neither Pods nor Erstad will be wearing a CWS uniform in 2008. Well, Iguchi is useless to the White Sox too, because his composite 05/06 line is similar to Erstad from 2001 through 2005, not counting the lost 06 season. In fact, most SABR people would say Erstad and Rowand are indistinguishable (except for the K's and Darin having more SB's and playing BETTER defense), and we won with Rowand in CF and Uribe at SS, something I wouldn't have believed possible. We're going to score our runs with the middle of our line-up...and it doesn't matter who you play in LF, as long as they have at least a .320 OBP. The main thing that matters is having a pitching staff with a sub 4.00 ERA. If we do that, it won't matter who is in CF. Signing Roberts, Pierre and Matthews would have been stupid. KW is not stupid. Just as he will not spend the type of money the Cubs did for Soriano to get Andruw Jones, who almost every single GM covets MORE than Soriano. The White Sox will not give him a 5-6 year deal, same with Ichiro. The only player I see them taking a chance on is Hunter, if he breaks down this season and KW can put together an incentives-based deal like he did with Erstad, although he would have to guarantee $5-6-7 million no matter what, probably more. And Hunter strikes out too much and is on the downside of his career, so I don't think he goes this direction either.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 23, 2007 -> 11:34 PM) I love the implied assumption here that Brian Anderson will be no better than his 2006 numbers. Apparently young players don't get better. And apparently it's smart to bank on 32 year olds who haven't been good in over six years. Erstad is almost exactly identical to Iguchi over 2005-06 if you average out his composite 2001-2005 seasons. More stolen bases, fewer homers and RBI's, mostly due to his spot in the batting order. I wouldn't say that Iguchi was anything more than a "winning" player to the Sox during that timespan, yet Erstad is "horrible" because everyone keeps comparing 01-05 with 00. Erstad/Rowand....they're complementary players, but the White Sox can definitely win with either in CF, although they would be fourth outfielders on some teams. And until I see Anderson show that he has tightened up his swing and can do it against righties and lefties, then I want Erstad out there 5-6 games per week in CF. Well, you can do the same for all the seasons from 00 leading up to 06 for Frank Thomas too, except Thomas was 37-38, not 32. QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 23, 2007 -> 11:39 PM) Nope -- apparently you didn't read my post. I would've been perfectly happy with keeping Eduardo Perez, cutting (or trading) Podsednik, and going with Mack/Ozuna/Anderson-Terrero in LF. Or going with one of the older OFers who got one year deals -- Trot Nixon or Moises Alou. Either of these options is better than going with Podsednik. He's basically Darin Erstad except he sucks defensively and is limited to one position (the easiest position). So you'd be willing to go with Ozuna/Mackowiak or Iguchi as your leadoff hitter the entire season?