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QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ May 4, 2011 -> 01:42 PM) I wonder if a manager has ever been fired while his team had a game in progress? Ted Turner with the Braves?

Fathom's double play prediction is still alive if we can actually score and get the game into extra innings. Or one of AJ's "passed balls" to allow a runner to 1st and four outs in an inning to occur. Except that's unlikely to happen with Butera. Even if he can't hit one-half his weight. Did they really just have a horrible "Ed Farmer voiceover" commercial which had "fairweather fans" in it??? The marketing department must be really oblivious if they let that one get by. Think it was 5th 3rd Bank. You would think they wouldn't want to insult anyone who'd go out to a game from here on out. While they're at it, they should discount season tickets next year by at least 10-15% for 2012.

QUOTE (Cali @ May 4, 2011 -> 01:09 PM) The Sox stink at drafting so I don't get the complaints about trading away prospects all that much.... besides Gio no many former Sox prospects are amounting to any major success in the bigs (Jury's still out on Hudson as of right now) McCarthy's pitching quite well for the A's this year. Do we face him on this road trip? Richard was solid for the Padres.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ May 4, 2011 -> 01:31 PM) nice job pitching around that stellar defense Ummm....with this line-up, Kris Honel might be able to get a quality start for the Sox. Or at least one of either Broadway/McCulloch.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) Juan Pierre is a great guy and have never heard anything bad about him....but someone get him a drug test, as Steve Howe seemed more coherent than Pierre does this year. 2001=Jose Canseco 2011=White Sox bring back Daryl Strawberry and Dwight Gooden? Heck, might as well stick Bonds and Sosa out there to draw some media interest and random/casual "walk up" fans to the park.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2011 -> 01:28 PM) Times like this you have to be thrilled that Pierre is one of the most durable players in baseball. I almost wish they had Kotsay or Erstad to "light a fire" under this team, haha. Because it's certainly not coming from Ozzie. You almost think stadium vendors who are envisioning months of lost revenue are more upset about this start than our manager.

QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ May 4, 2011 -> 01:26 PM) And also in Juan's defense he got on base 3 times last night and now once today. Can't really ask a ton more of your leadoff hitter. Better not to defend him at this point. You'll only jinx him worse.

By the way, why is Danks attacking Kubel when he's more effective against RHP and Cuddyer absolutely stinks this year? Juan Pierre with yet another mental and/or physical error this year. That's about 10-12 already this season.

Is that 8 or 9 CS for Pierre? Why does he always bunt with 1 strike? Jeez, this Twins' line-up without Young, Thome and Mauer is like a AAA team. Still probably will beat us, but you just can't see them being much more than a .500 club in 2011. A lot depends on how well Nishioka ends up playing SS and whether Valencia continues to go through the sophomore slump.

I really thought winning the first two games at Yankee Stadium would light a fire under this team. Didn't exactly happen. The only thing left is Peavy's return and subsequent DL trip to dim the only torch left this season in KW's holster. PLEASE STOP RUNNING "ALL-IN" COMMERCIALS FOR THE TIME BEING!!!!

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ May 4, 2011 -> 12:33 PM) 7 months? What in the holy f*** are you talking about? 69 wins and a ~.412 winning percentage as a manager...you think we can land him for next year!!!!??? I'm talking about head-to-head against the White Sox, especially their results this year having his team prepared to play out of the gate after getting knocked down by the Sox. You really think that would have happened under Eric Wedge? I thinketh not. I'll give you an example with pitching coaches as managers. Not only Bud "Paint It" Black and John Farrell, but Larry Dierker came out of the Astros' broadcasting booth and lit a fire under the Astros. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?.../SPORTS2490.dtl Just heard the White Sox Director of Public Relations (Lou Hernandez) quit after 5+ years with the Sox to take a job with the YMCA. Interesting timing on that move.

I don't know why for me: Javy blowing a huge lead against the Blue Jays, I think up there. I just remember it so well because I was staying at a hostel near Machu Picchu and I couldn't believe I was wasting my time with Javy. Craig Monroe hitting homers off Aardsma and Javy, the latter on ESPN. The Red Sox series before the break. Absolutely trouncing the Cardinals. There was a 2 week period in August when Jenks was hurting and we were averaging about 2 runs scored per game, not unlike our current funk. The most significant game to me, Jose losing his winning streak and getting injured against the Reds on the road. That was the beginning of the end. Numerous losses to the Twins' buzzsaw down the stretch.

I'd still go with Cooper/Stone Pony/Farmer (even though I don't like as a broadcaster) over Guillen/Baines/Cora/Walker from this point forward. I even wouldn't mind Stone as GM and either Vizquel or Cooper as manager. It would be a breath of fresh air. Or Sandy Alomar, Jr. (just no more Roberto, please!) If nothing else, the last 20-30 years of White Sox baseball have shown that pitching is almost aways the key to our successful teams. Or, they clean house and give Beinfest and Hill down in Miami a blank check to turn this organization around in the Marlins' style, minus Ozzie.

BP, at least before last night, said we had at least a 25% chance to win the division still, about 2X the chances for the Twins. But then there's that only the 1987 Tigers coming back from more than 10 GB at this point in the season issue. I think the other two to do it were in 1908 and 1911 on one of Juan Pierre's old teams in the NL.

Was that the crazy extra innings game against Boston where we got to Papelbon big-time? I guess that will go down as the high water mark for KW and the current regime....and hopefully yesterday as the low. But check back in 2 weeks after our trip's over. We might be no hit 2-3 more times. Or go on a 9-3 run and convince a few we might be able to get back into it like last year. Just don't see it happening twice.

On May 13, 2008, Santos was claimed off waivers by the Minnesota Twins. He became a free agent at the end of the season and signed a minor league contract with the Chicago White Sox,[2] but on March 20, 2009, was traded to the San Francisco Giants in exchange for future considerations. Less than two weeks after the trade he was brought back to the Chicago White Sox organization and sent to extended spring training to convert from infielder to pitcher. wikipedia.com Does this sort of count?? Who the heck did we send to San Francisco? Why did they give him back to us so quickly?

“Yeah, he was good,” Gordon Beckham said. “And he threw a lot of off-speed stuff. He kept us off-balance. It’s tough, but you got to tip your hat. We swung at some bad pitches. I know I swung at a couple bad ones. We didn’t help ourselves much, but he was very good.” Everybody has been very good. The White Sox have already been shut out four times this season. Well, finally it can’t get any worse. Or is that just being naïve? Doug Padilla/ESPNChicago.com Sounds like Beckham's been taking notes from Harrelson.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ May 4, 2011 -> 07:20 AM) Rule No. 1: You don’t get rid of a top-five manager in his prime. The only top 5 list Ozzie is making is Top 5 AL Central managers. He's atrocious. Buddy Bell and Gene Lamont would have to rank ahead of Guillen the way things are going. DAMN you Indians, finally wised up and got a legit manager and now look what has happened...the same guy Ozzie pointed out as one of the "retreads" who always keep getting recycled has been handing you your hat for the last 7 months of baseball Ozzeroo.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2011050...orts/705039699/ Yet another take from Barry I. of the good old Arlington Daily Herald. With the way Cowley tossed out "top five managers of the game," I wonder if he's using the words of Ozzie (himself) or JR back against them, but in an underhanded way. You can just imagine Ozzie telling him "they can't fire me, I'm one of the top five managers in all of baseball." I'd like to think Guillen wouldn't have said that after the last 2-3 years, but he seems capable of saying virtually anything. As far as the idea that the White Sox would be even more "irrelevant" without Guillen, does anyone in the front office actually think that having Ozzie Guillen around for five more months is going to help draw more fans out to the ballpark? To do what, boo him? If anything, they'd get a nice 2-3 week "dead cat" bounced if they did name a new manager and actually turned things around like in 2001. I remember that year, they started something like 14-29 and got all the way back to over .500. Plus, there was the added bonus of the Jose Canseco, David Wells and Thomas/KW sideshows.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...,3208623.column A lot of it's pretty obvious stuff, but the comparisons with the Twins are spot on in the way they're trying to dig themselves out of this big hole, whereas the White Sox are pretty much standing pat and throwing out more cliches and Ozzie one liners about "that's how we roll" as if this entire offensive slump is something of a joke to everyone in the organization. It should have been more like...if this continues through the roadtrip, "heads will definitely roll," one of the first being Ozzie's (new home purchase or not). Thinking of the season as starting over again at 0-0, it worked in 2006, maybe it will work again. Don't see it happening without a healthy Mauer, Morneau, Nathan and Delmon Young, but I'm never surprised by where the Twins end up at Game 162 (well, except 2008!!) And then we have Joe Cowley of the Sun-Times basically daring them to make any changes. Nobody’s going anywhere. Hitting coach Greg Walker isn’t getting fired today. And for those armchair general managers who have an inflated self-worth because they finished first in their fantasy baseball leagues two out of the last three years, you’re not getting Guillen’s head on a platter, either. Rule No. 1: You don’t get rid of a top-five manager in his prime. Rule No. 2: You don’t get rid of the man solely responsible for your team being relevant. Rule No. 3: You don’t get rid of a man who knows where all the bodies are buried by your organization and would have a tell-all book on the New York Times’ best-seller list by the time the winter meetings hit in December. That’s what’s really depressing about Sox baseball these days: all kinds of problems and no one person to hold accountable. It’s a slow-motion car wreck in which we all have to fasten our seat belts, close our eyes and hope that the glass fragments don’t cut too deeply. Even if it doesn’t play out well for the Sox, there is very little flexibility in shoveling out of the mess. That’s what should keep Williams up at night and make him feel a little uneasy about his current standing. This is a team full of unmovable contracts or players performing so poorly they would have trouble landing a spot on the Island of Misfit Toys. So what deck chairs can be tossed overboard if the S.S. Sox-tanic continues to sink deeper into icy water? http://www.suntimes.com/sports/5171180-419...or-a-wreck.html

It will be interesting to see who's the first to go: 1) Walker 2) Tony Pena 3) Beckham 4) Brent Morel 5) Pierre to bench

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 4, 2011 -> 12:35 AM) I really had high hopes back then that we'd be a consistent division winner. But we got into that Twins hex thing and now we can't beat any body in our division. Really sad. I thought in '05 we were going to be a dominant team at least in the Central. The first phase of the Twins' hex was officially 2001-2004. It came back in the second half of 2006 and hasn't departed since then, with the exception of Game 163. 2010, head-to-head, was definitely as bad as any of those 01-02-03-04 seasons, though.

20,901. Still VERY much up in the air for the day game against the Twinkies on Wednesday whether we'll manage to draw 14,099 for that game. I'm sure ACTUAL attendance will be one of the most abysmal since the late 90's for a game.

Remember a little ballclub called the 1997 and 2003 Florida Marlins? They didn't need phenomenal fan support to succeed, did they? Even the 2005 White Sox didn't come close to "overwhelming" home field advantage where the park was parked night after night...I don't have the attendance numbers for August and September, after the kids went back to school that year, but it's not like they were playing in front of packed stadiums against the likes of the Royals.

Wasn't there also some stuff about him playing cards instead of preparing the pitchers and also watching college football games in the clubhouse when he wasn't in the line-up, like the Univ. of Florida? Plus, there's all of his wrestling stuff. Personally, I don't think it even matters anymore. But if we want to maximize the value of Danks, Buehrle and Jackson, I don't think Tyler Flowers is the one who should be doing it. I also don't see AJ being on this team in 2012, despite our $6 million commitment going forward to him.