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QUOTE(RME JICO @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 03:18 PM) Hopefully it means they are confident in what they already have and they want to see more of Owens. this seems likely imo

floyd gives up a leadoff triple woo

Just heard on the score, has this been posted already? 4-6 weeks out~

Bottom of 3rd Crede up, pops up to Iguchi 1 down, Quentin up 0-1 (swinging) 1-1 1-2 (swinging) 1-2 (fouled off) 2-2 strikes out looking 2 down, Uribe up, hacking away, Farmer makes the joke if Uribe had a ladder he'd swing at more pitches 0-1 (fouled off) 0-2 (fouled off) 1-2 2-2, uribe gets first hit with groundball through the middle, greene was out of position apparently 2 down, Owens (2nd AB), Uribe on first 1st pitch singled into RF, Uribe advances to 2nd 2 down, Cabrera (2nd Ab), Uribe on 2nd, Owens on 1st Cabrera bunt-pops out on first pitch Top of 4th coming up

Top of 3rd Danks vs Iguchi (2nd AB), K's iguchi with a 1-2 changeup 1 down Danks vs McAnulty, 1st pitch pop out to Cabrera 2 down Danks to Tony Clark, line drive to CF gets down for a hit, Clark is 2 for 2. 2 down with a runner on 1st Danks facing Khalil Greene, hacking away at the first two pitches. Greene grounds out to Short Bottom of 3rd coming up Padres 3-0

Bottom of 2nd Konerko up, working the count, 3-2 pitch high, Konk draws the BB Dye up, 0 outs, runner on 1st 0-1 count, almost brings Konerko home with a foulball that just misses the right side of the foul pole. 2-2 flyball to right field, Giles with the catch, Konerko back to 1st AJ up, 1 out, runner on 1st 0-2, AJ GIDP's~ Top of 3rd coming up

Top of 2nd Danks facing Jeff DaVanon, K's him (dunno what he threw) 1 down for Edgar Gonzalez back to back cutters from danks, with a pitch low, K's gonzalez on the 4th pitch 2 down for Brian Giles (2nd AB) 2-2 pitch, groundball to uribe, giles retired bottom of 2nd coming up

Bottom of 1st owens leading off, not showing any patience, hacking at first two pitches, K's on 3rd pitch looking 1 down for OC OC flies out on a 1-2 count 2 down for Big Jim Thome K's Top of 2nd coming up

Fick grounds out to OC, sox coming up to bat 3-0 padres

Rob Fick takes Danks to a full count, runner on 2nd with 2 outs, Fick fouling many pitches off maybe we'll see the changeup again

Barrett doubles down the left field line, Iguchi & Clark both score 3-0 Padres

Danks K's Khalil Greene with a 3-2 changeup (@_@), 2 down runners on 2nd and 3rd

Rongey & Farmio doing the broadcast Danks K's Giles in 3 pitches, Walks Iguchi and McAnulty 1 out, runners on 1st and 2nd, Clark doubles down the left field line 1-0 padres

4-1 sox, after flyball gets lost in the sun, BA makes it to 3rd

swish drives in a pair, 3-1 sox

jesus alexei! his bat speed is RIDICULOUS, which is why he spins like a top on every swing haha

back to game topic: creeping back up on haren, 4 runs is great even though it is raining also, why wasn't OC running hard around the bases to score? there were 2 outs, very non-heads up, even though he scored, it seemed as if he slowed down on the bases, he should've been running full-bore

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Mar 16, 2008 -> 04:33 PM) But show me a 10 game winner with a 5.50 ERA, I will show you a lucky man. (this is not to say that Floyd's ERA is or will be 5.50). i like our chances if he posts a 5.50 era in '08 (i dunno if i wanted to make that green or not)

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 16, 2008 -> 04:31 PM) Jeremy Bonderman lost 20 games his first season Greg Maddux lost 14 games and posted a 5.61 ERA in his first full season (this was in the mid 80's, so it isn't ridiculous to say if you had that Maddux pitching in this era that you would have had him post something similar to Floyd) Robin Ventura was absolutely brutal to start his major league career Point being, most young baseball players don't experience immediate success. They go through the motions, make adjustments, and the good ones pull out and become something, the bad ones falter. Gavin Floyd has overcame his piss poor showing in Philly and came to Chicago and instead of wallowing around, he got himself back in track and earned a lot of respect based on the way he took the ball every time out down in Charlotte and had a positive attitude and eventually impressed Ozzie/Kenny/Cooper late in the season in Chicago and has came in this spring and continued to impress (sans today start). Bottom line, the history of baseball shows that most young players fail or at least struggle at some point very early in there career before coming through. Floyd clearly has tools, find me a scout that doesn't believe that and I'd be shocked (now i could see a scout saying he's a risk or that he isn't the lock he once was, but I don't think you'd see a scout, who based on stuff alone, didn't think Floyd was worthy of being a major league starter). Whether it pans out or not, I don't know, but he's going to get his chance to open the season and show what he can do. If he sucks, the Sox will call someone else up or go with Masset or trade for someone. They probably will be in a tough spot when it comes to competing if a few of the starters fail, but we all know that the pitchers will have to pitch and Danks/Floyd will have to grow up in a hurry if the club plans on beating Detroit & Cleveland and winning this division. and anthony reyes threw a 1-hitter and lost to the sox in 2006 gavin floyd used to have a great curveball, one of the best in MiLB, but over the last couple years he's lost it completely, and also has a problem throwing the ball for strikes, even when he's trying to get one over he's often-times missing the plate completely and this is just about every single time i've seen him pitch, so unless he has a dead-arm every time he goes out....

what's up with all the f-bombs in this thread, why can't we have a civilized arguement about this kid without people getting all hot and bothered. i'm sorry if it bothers you that much, but there are legitimate arguements on both sides. tossing f'ing this and f***ing that all over the place doesn't do anything for your arguement if seeing discussions about how bad gavin floyd looks to people, do yourself a favor and restrain yourself from hitting the reply button

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 16, 2008 -> 04:18 PM) And a few bad outings, especially if it's in Spring Training, does not make you suck. just curious, what about all the previous years of gavin floyds career, the ones where everyone questioned his mental approach, and his first season in teh MLB where he garnered a, i believe, 7+ ERA? but yeah, he's good, this is just spring training/dead arm

i disagree about our 3-4-5, danks and contreras haven't looked this brutal in spring, gavin is the one i'm worried about

is still garbage, can't throw strikes, he's always inconsistent ozzie thinks this is impressive? in before "this is only spring training" etc etc.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Mar 14, 2008 -> 04:36 PM) A lot of people are worried about Floyd and Danks. I really think the guy we should be worried about is Jose. If he starts getting hit around like a pinata this year, who would replace him in the rotation and how much of a massacre would it take? combination of haeger/broadway/masset i'd assume, but you could kiss the season goodbye at that point, jose has to pitch well this year, it's really that simple, we have to have a chance against other teams #4 pitchers and it isn't asking jose much to compete against those types of pitchers

alexei drives in the first run with the first hit, off of harden