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QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jan 3, 2008 -> 03:58 PM) Don't have a source, but I believe only the Astros were ranked below us in a recent poll. But after parting with our three brightest ... two and 6th brightest.

voted yup

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jan 3, 2008 -> 01:47 PM) It seems pretty clear to me that Fields is going to go for a young pitcher. I think that is the next move. i hope not, we will be 3B-less in 09.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Jan 3, 2008 -> 01:38 PM) So if we go out and grab Roberts and Bedard it's world series 08 konerko, crede, and uribe for Bedard & Roberts!!?!?!?!

i think some people here might be overvaluing DLS and Gio, and forgetting what kind of numbers swisher is MOST LIKELY going to put up in the cell in 2008 .275 avg~ with an OPS of around .875-.900 keep in mind how absolutely massive the colluseum is compared to our park, and then do a little adjustment to his numbers. he'll be a stud here, i'd put money on it.

i wonder what alexei and quentin would rank as, if they're going straight to the farm in 08?

so yeah swish in LF i guess? crede = gone, fields at 3b? swish in RF, dye getting traded? swish at 1B, konk being dealt? i don't quite understand what the plans are for Swish, anyone have any ideas?

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Dec 26, 2007 -> 03:52 PM) I don't think anyone said they were "too old." At least I was merely disagreeing with the statement that the core of this team was not old. And besides, Boston's situation is completely different that the Sox. They actually produce impact talent from within. They have a ton more youthful talent than the Sox and can get away with an aging core. Going forward, the age of our "core" is a huge problem with the way this organization produces talent, and is reluctant to bring in talent from the free agent market. On the other hand, it is not a problem for the Red Sox. Even in this upcoming season, relying so heavily on a core that is on the downside of their careers is somewhat of a problem. actually (speaking from position players for the moment), the only position youth boston is using right now is Pedroia and perhaps Ellsbury in 08 (are they confident in keeping him in CF all year if they intend on competing for back to back championships? or will they keep crisp just in case?) Pedroia is far from being a lock in terms of a successful career, and so is Ellsbury so we're back to the veterans, and both teams are ~30 years old for team average, so then you just have to evaluate talent on a player to player basis and the redsox are much better hitters than our guys are, it's really that simple

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 25, 2007 -> 06:45 PM) Look at the core of players on this team -- most of them are over 30 years old. one of the biggest misinformed statements i've heard about the sox is their starters are too old the average age of our starting lineup (ignoring pitching for a minute) 29.7 years old, this includes Fields in LF (Instead of Quentin, who is also young), Crede at 3B, Owens in CF the average age of the Boston Redsox (ignoring pitching) 30.5 years old, this includes Pedroia at 2B, and Ellsbury in CF age has nothing to do with why we're bad. we're bad because we have BAD players.

QUOTE(max power @ Dec 23, 2007 -> 02:52 PM) If he relied on stats the moves that lead to 2005 wouldn't have happened. uh he said kw relies more on gut than stats

QUOTE(103 mph screwball @ Dec 23, 2007 -> 09:44 AM) Very nice work! Thank you for sharing it with us. I forwarded it on to a buddy of mine who follows the Sox but was asking me a lot of questions about Fields. Fields is an IF. Meaning the Sox could win the central IF Fields has a break out all star caliber season. IF Floyd can win 12 games. IF Quentin lives up to his potential. The Sox are full of IF's. Then again, they were in 2005 too. not trying to derail this thread but 2005 had a lot to do with our weak division too, there was only one other above average team besides us in '05 in the al central in the last 2 years now, every team in the ALC has been to the playoffs except the royals

wow, that's one hell of a video much nicer than any of the player tribute videos i've seen for sox players on YT somebody make a JD one pleeeeease~

so, let me get this straight we basically just signed a bench player, and that makes this team noticably better? why did we sign cabrera and linebrink, then sign a guy who probably won't even be on the team in 2008 but instead be in AAA, along with signing basically a AAA left fielder who was injured last year how do these moves make this team better and more competitive for 2008?

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 09:00 AM) Anyone hear the quote from Boras stating that there is no due process and essentially there is no validity to the report at all. I wonder how many of his guys show up. I can think of at least a handful. Kevin Kernan is speaking on ESPN right now, and according to ESPN he's close friends with Roger. He stated that if Brian Macnamee truly stated these allegations to the mitchell investigators, its most undoubtably true information as Brian Macnamee was VERY close to Roger

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 08:43 AM) ESPN RADIO: ROGER CLEMENS!!!!! HAHAHAHA I've been telling all my friends for the last 4-5 years that Clemens was most likely a roider, but everyone kept telling me i was crazy brb gonna go feed some crow to a few people

career ERA in the AL of 2.88 since 2002, boston non-tendered his contract and personally I wouldn't mind him in our pen depending on how quickly he recovers from TJS edit: looks like he's missing all of 2008 with recovery process, delete thread since I can't delete it myself

with that said, you think jenks could be a possibility?

what do you guys think will be the youngest age on this list?

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 10:15 PM) Hatton should stay up. There just isn't much at 140. 147 is, obviously, loaded. In fact, maybe not for his next fight, but a Hatton/De La Hoya fight is probably all but done. PBF, well, there just isn't much for him. Some say Cotto, but I just see another easy W. And then what? Paul Williams? He's got a ridiculous reach, maybe he would be the one to give PBF some trouble. cotto, margarito, malignaggi, DLH rematch to name a few, would be great fights imo

QUOTE(Hatchetman @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 07:56 AM) I agree with young Tony. The Sox are a business and need to keep the customers happy. Right now the customers are not happy. Best plan is to sign somebody with some name value make some shrewd minor deals. Then pray for a miracle that this team can compete for a wildcard and keep things interesting. the only way i'd want the sox to go into the playoffs in 08 would be to do it convincingly, with a mid-90 win season and incredible seasons out of danks/floyd/gio/contreras i want draft picks ;(

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 01:13 AM) Nobody wants a dynasty, that's crazy talk and unrealistic. We just want a team that doesn't suck, and we didn't have that last year, won't this year, and won't for the foreseeable future when you consider our FA spending habits, GM, and farm system. And all 3 are disasters right now. agree 100% it's one thing to get to and win the world series (in dominating fashion, no less), but its another when you are a completely miserable JOKE of a team many years before AND after that people want their team to win the world series and then at least be competitive for the years surrounding that title, so it makes the team at least appear to be competitive and ....uh, what's the word Good?

lol, cubs sign fukudome to a completely unreasonable contract and mere hours later we are getting the Firesale threads hilarious

QUOTE(Vance Law @ Dec 6, 2007 -> 03:56 PM) celebrate indeed. translation of the note from the poster of the vid "Big home run from Alexi Ramirez…..months after putting up this video, I edit the information to add that this wound up being the last home run for “Piri” (his nickname) en Cuba. Until Sept 18 nobody imagined it. Good luck “PIri”, from Cuba I hope to see you soon in the MLB." he has a great looking swing

the sad thing about this whole situation is even if we did get Cabrera and Willis and devoid our whole farm system of what little talent we have there, i still don't think that makes us a contender in this division, i'd imagine we'd see something along the lines of TIGERS ACQUIRE SANTANA or some other huge blockbuster deal

QUOTE(beck72 @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 05:07 AM) The sox are spending money. Did they not re-sign MB, Dye, AJ? Overpay to sign Linebrink? It's one thing to spend money. It's another to overpay so much [in terms of cash and young talent via trade] that it keeps you from improving the team for the next 5, 10 yrs. The sox may be put into the position of trading a guy like Pk to make up ground in the AL with Detroit and the Red sox w/ Santana because free agency isn't all that. i guess i should've been more clear in my post, i was having some difficulty wording it if the sox wanted to compete this year, they should've bumped the payroll up and made a serious offer to boras for Arod, i mean why not? the dude is a sure thing (you can argue towards his playoff reputation, but i'd wager most people would bet on his pure skill at the end of the day than what he's currently done in the post season for the yankees) thats the point i'm trying to make, next year when santana hits FA, and in 2 years for miggy, the sox should bump payroll or prep their payroll this year and next year for 2009 so they can make offers to these guys, because they are sure things but they won't, and thats what frustrates me. why won't they? why won't they go all the way and try to get someone like a santana or a cabrera or arod? some people will say "it's impossible, they don't have the money to attempt what you're asking", but I think its BS, and i think it would turn to be an investment especially since you aren't giving up our young talent to sign HOF free agents long term, you'd have a mixture of a veteran/young core of players who are most likely enough to help you contend for another title the players we've signed so far aren't going to help us get into the playoffs, not even close. and then you combine that with what Detroit just did, and wow. Detroit + Cleveland will be battling it out all year just like last year, and we'll be sitting here battling the Minnesota Devil Rays for 3rd and 4th place, god this sucks