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1 hour ago, maloney.adam said:
I think a name to watch in the future for White Sox manager is Justin Jirschele.
I like Jirschele too. In a disaster of a minor league season for the Sox. JJ led the Barons, who didn't have many of the Sox top 30 prospects, to a winning record. I think he's won at every level that he's managed. I was hoping for him before the TLR decision but understood because he was only 30 and I'm not sure you hand the keys of the Ferrari over to a kid. Another year of success by him...and TLR mixed results...who knows.
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The meatball nature of this negativity is amazing. There is a randomness to baseball. it used to be the best teams met in the World Series because only the top team in the AL and the top team in the NL went to the playoffs. You had 154 games to decide who was the best team and it was hard to debate with a sample size of 154 games. Now most of you have determined that the White Sox are a mess based on a sample size of two games?? Zeby Savala had 90 at bats where he hit .128 with 2 home runs. He had two games where he went 6 for 7 with 3 home runs. Can we say based on those two games that Zeby is the greatest player of all time...or was it just randomness? The core of this team has greatness inside of it. I don't think anyone of us thought that this was going to be the best team of the run. If they lose on Sunday are are swept away...well it was an exciting year...and it will be an interesting off season and next year will be exciting too. If they win on Sunday...well it's NOT over...as a Bucks fan, the Bucks lost the first two games of the conference semi finals, the first game at home in the conference finals and the first two games of the finals. Teams can come back. And it is worth remembering...Dodgers won an average of 96 games a year for 7 years and won zero world series...and it was only in the COVID shortened season that they finally won. Enjoy the day to day greatness of the team because in a winner take all series even Baltimore could have a few good days.
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49 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
If we want to talk about 05 vs 21, the difference is the offense. We have as much, or probably even more pitching than we had in 05, but the offense is on a different planet.
What I remember of the 2005 team was the crazy bullpen...a bunch of fringe prospects and journeymen became unhittable for a year. Politte, Cotts and Hermanson pitched every game with sub 2.00 ERA. Sort of the opposite of this team with undeniable talent with unspeakable results.
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1 hour ago, poppysox said:
100% in agreement with these comparisons. This year's team when all healthy is by far the best squad including 2005 and for that matter 1959.
I think maybe 94 team is best comparison? Superstars like Thomas, Raines and Ventura and a bunch of pretty good others. Four power starting pitchers. Thing about this team is everyone is 26 or younger.
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Weird what they are doing at catcher. TLR is so old school which means 1) never have catcher in day game after night game 2) lefty hitter versus righty pitcher....yet Collins sits? I know this will call in the cascade of COLLINS SUCKS...but he made a couple of game savings stops at catcher in the 10th/11th last night. He's been on base 6 of his last 11 plate appearances...and honestly Zeby is not good...outside of his one magic game his slash line is .171/.236/.234, he's had 7 passed balls in 24 games started and thrown out 5% of base stealers. I wonder if Collins is hated in the clubhouse or told TLR that he doesn't like dogs or something. I honestly hope they send Collins down and let him start at catcher in AAA and then quietly trade him in the off season...their handling of him has been so odd.
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2 hours ago, Timmy U said:
With Romy, Adolfo, Sheets, and Burger, interesting hitting at Charlotte. Too bad there’s no pitching.
It's curious following the minor leagues solely through the lens of the major leagues. It honestly doesn't matter to me if the combined minor leagues lose every night as long as they produce three or four interesting pieces to add to the White Sox or use as trade pieces. I think that is where we are at right now...the major league roster is so young and talented that it doesn't matter that you have hundreds of pretty good minor league players that will help Kannapolis win 60% of their games. You want potential stars to add to our existing galaxy. You say it's too bad they have no pitching...yet Gio-26, Cease-25, Kopech-25, Crochett-22 should be in your starting staff for five years. What you need is to see the high school kids slowly developing so you have a second wave. Vera, Thompson, Kelly, Dalquist, Burke and McDougal are all 18-21 with great stuff...we just have to be patient with them as they rise through the system.
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8 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:
He played a lot more early on. His performance slowly moved him out of the job. He played 16 games from Jul 5-30. During that time he hit .133/.350/.267/.617. As time went out Zavala took over the job.
He only started 11 out of 21 games between the 5th and the 31st...he came in as a pinch hitter or took over after Z was removed for a pinch hitter. He has been BAD...but I don't think it's a fair trial. I get that we are trying to win but to give Z half the starts after Grandal's injury...why? Why not the Navarez here you go...prove it...stretch.
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1 hour ago, bmags said:
If you take away all his games he has a 0.00 ERA
And a .500 record...which would be better than Musgrove the last three months.
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1 hour ago, bmags said:
Joe Musgrove:
23 GS 123 IP 10ks/9 3.11 ERA on pace for 4 WAR and a no hitter
Reynaldo Lopez has thrown 25 innings mostly out of the bullpen. They are the same.
Since the first two games in early April Musgrove is 6-8 with a 3.50+ ERA for a great team...and he would have cost, as someone suggested Kelley, Beard and Rodriguez. I know you are going to FIP and FWAR me to death but...8-8 total for an elite team with a 3.11 ERA in the National League...at some point you FIPsters are going to have to acknowledge that the stats don't work for some guys...Musgrove had elite FIP for Pittsburgh and yet never won...now he's over at the Padres...that team that most Soxtalkers wish we had...and he's OK...solidly OK. If we sign him we don't bring back Rodon who has been elite...and Rodriquez is our top prospect today...and Reylo sure is interesting...for free.
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1 minute ago, ron883 said:
They have him plenty of starts. Anybody with working eyes could see how awful he was at framing. He coat pitchers plenty of strikes. The pitchers probably hate throwing to him.
How do you get in a rhythm when he catches every third day? Catching is hard to learn...he's changed his catching style this year to kneeling...has a new catching coach...and he's only 26. When I looked at it back in mid June Collins ERA while catching was lower than Grandals...again not entirely his doing as he was Rodon and Gio's personal catcher...but he must call a pretty good game or they wouldn't want him as their personal catcher...Gio called him a "student of the game". Meanwhile framing is the dumbest metric...he's really bad at keeping the umpires from being really bad? So when we go to robot umps suddenly Collins is a lefty power hitter with lots of walks and calls a good game and we let him get away? Like Reylo...let them develop.
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4 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said:
Collins only got 1/2 year at Charlotte in 2019 and then was at the alternate site most of 2020. I think he needs a full year of being a primary catcher at AAA to develop. . I think Zavala's ceiling is backup catcher so maybe live with him in 2022 or sign a guy for 1 year.
I think their handling of Collins has been weird. Grandal got hurt on July 5th and the White Sox have played 36 games since then and Collins has started 16 of them. It seems clear that management doesn't think he can do it. I wish they had given him 25 starts in a row to prove it...like they did with Narvaez in 2018. They put guys like Engel in only super advantageous hitting matchups and yet Collins is always facing tough lefties because of the pitchers he catches for. Not everyone pans out...and at one point it seemed like they had a clever long term plan for Collins...now I just think they hate him. but not as much as Soxtalk HATES him (but again...like they hated Reylo until reylo started pitching well...we get 10,000 HE SUCKS and then when he turns it around three or four...well I guess I was wrong).
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Just now, manbearpuig said:
It’s not “not rooting” for our guys. We want them to succeed but also realize and can admit when guys suck (like Collins both offensively and defensively).
Collins has been terrible this past 6 weeks. Reylo was the worst pitcher in baseball last year. Gio was the worst pitcher in baseball in 2018. Rodon was a wasted top four draft pick. All have extraordinary potential. I am happy to admit that Collins has lost his confidence and has been terrible the last six weeks...but again...as recently as July 1st he had a .733 OPS, had caught a no hitter and was the preferred catcher for two of our best pitchers...and a lefty back up catcher. We will all cheer when we cut Collins loose this off season, as we did when Avasail left, and in a quiet move Tampa or Oakland or Milwaukee picks him up. Until then I will just get used to the deep thoughtful analysis, 10,000 times a game, of COLLINS SUCKS....just like I got used to the REYLO SUCKS chants.
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I got mocked here a lot back in the off season, in the Joe Musgrove thread, when I suggested we under rate our own potential guys and fall in love with some other teams potential guys. I argued that while JM had intriguing potential there were warning signs and he was going to cost a lot of assets while Reylo had upside and cost nothing....hahahahahahaha you are stupid...Reylo is trash and JM is amazing, I was told. I'm not sure I believe in the new Reylo...but I also never believed in the loud "HE IS GARBAGE" stuff. In 2018, at 24, Reylo pitched 180+ innings and had a 3.5 WAR. That guy is in there somewhere...yet at 26 he was worth nothing?? Chris Bassitt who we were all lamenting was another one that got away...has been one of the best pitchers in baseball the last three years...was nothing until he turned 30. I made the same argument with Rodon at the start of the season...that there were comparable pitchers that had history of arm problems and then in their late twenties were past it and had very good careers (I used Mike Minor who starting at 29 put up 14 WAR in three years after missing two and a half years with arm problems). At some point we have to be patient when a guy doesn't perform as opposed to falling all over ourselves to see who can shout the loudest "HE SUCKS". And in an unrelated note maybe we can ratchet back the 10,000 posts per gamethread that shout "Collins sucks"...maybe as a fan base we can start cheering for our guys and rooting against the other teams guys?
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1 hour ago, ptatc said:
Really every team has 2 starters out for 3-4 months, another over a month and a 4th out for the season?
Yes but Eloy has 46 homers and 123 RBIs in 180 career games, Grandal's average year is 90 walks and 27 homers, Robert might be the best all around player I've ever seen on the Sox and Madrigal (I'm going to miss him) has a career .317 batting average. Why couldn't it be Leury and Goodwin and Collins that were hurt and out most of the season? But man...when we get all the pieces together!!!!
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Sorry but if the Sox trade Burger for Blackmon and Story...I would get in my time machine and go back to Dec 2019 and explain to Rockies baseball fans how this was going to happen within 18 months and then get locked up for being a lunatic.
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13 minutes ago, fathom said:
He was incredibly slow getting to the ball out there. They were running on him at will.
Frank Howard had a ten year stretch where he had -20 dWar and was STILL +40 WAR. I don't love the idea of Vaughn being the full time RF...but I think his fielding will not cost nearly as many runs as his hitting will create...especially when Robert is back covering 3/4 of the outfield by himself. Still Cali's passion of getting lefty Joe Gallo to help this year and next before Cespedes is ready while working with VAughan/Eloy/Sheets/Abreu combo for LF/iB/DH is the best route.
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26 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
Who would take on the Grandal and Keuchel deals right now, ala Sox with Rios?
Why would someone need to take on those deals? Grandal seems like he will continue to have value through his contract (splitting catcher next year with Collins...and DH, 1b etc going forward). Keuchel is really only guaranteed 2022 (from my understanding has to pitch 160 innings next year to vest for 2023). Having him and Kopech split innings next year seems fine...and if not...honestly on a staff with Gio, Lynn, Cease, Kopech, Rodon he's your 6th choice so I can see the Sox wanting to trade him and I think for a lot of contending teams he would be a great 4th or 5th starter. Flip him for a couple of 19 year olds.
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17 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:
Not sure how you can claim a 22% payroll increase from this year / their all time high ($127M to $156M) is “overly pessimistic”, especially in July with no knowledge as to what if anything the Sox will do in the postseason.
Being in the “Top 5” 15 years ago is irrelevant today. The upper revenue teams (Boston NY Cubs LA SF) have widened the revenue advantage over the past 15 years.
The 2006 increase came after a substantial increase in revenue, which was certain (increased sold season tickets and across the board ticket price increases) before they increased payroll. If they win the WS, sure, they may pay for both.
Talking today, Jerry’s RSN finally got around to authorizing paying for Stone and Benetti’s hotel rooms and meals at the end of the month (ESPN 1000 (locally owned, not Disney) has been paying for the much lower generating radio broadcast team’s travel months ago. So I wouldn’t count on a $53M (over 40% increase to $185M) increase in their largest expense as anywhere close to being certain.
I guess my "overly pessimistic" comment is about your cap at $160 million. I just want to reiterated the point that JR is a businessman and his goal is to make money. As I look at Sox attendance history it suggests that at that stadium for the last 25 years the floor of attendance is about 20,000 fans...meaning good years or bad 20,000 fans will come out just for the joy of baseball. If you figure a fan is worth $75...ticket, parking, food, pro shop, etc...that suggests an annual attendance revenue of $120 mill. With radio and TV rites you figure that is about what it costs to maintain a 15th overall payroll (basically where the Sox have been). JR understands that the difference between a 65 win team and a 85 win team is probably almost nothing in revenue...so when the team is down he has no real incentive to boost up spending on free agents etc. But he also understands that when the team is going good attendance goes with it. White Sox peak attendance was 2006 post World series glory at 36,500. I think the excitement for this team...with all the young personable stars...will come close to that. So I arbitrarily used the number of 35,000. Let's say for the next five years (2022 and on) they average 35,000 always go to the playoffs and win a WS. An extra 15,000 fans a game comes out to $90 million +. Add in 5 playoff games, $100 per fan with 40,000 fans in attendance is another $20 mill a year bringing us to an annual extra $110,000,00 additional revenue Do you think it's crazy to think the White Sox will spend half of that on player contracts? That's an extra $55 million which will take the White Sox to about a top 5 payroll...as I suggested. Add in the fact that they know they saved a couple of hundred million over the last five years with super low payrolls (not much effect on attendance) and the Sox have money to spend and have SAID they will spend money. If JR is a smart business man (which I think he is) he should be cheap in the down years and spend in the good years...which is exactly what the data shows. And now we are at a possible turning point for the franchise...possibly the greatest assemblage of talent in 100 years + most of them super young and super cheap+ no currently bad long term contracts + coming out of the pandemic+ Cubs starting a rebuild + millennials changing the face of Chicago...It's not impossible that hitting the accelerator now flips White Sox floor level attendance to more like the Cubs floor attendance for the last 25 years of about 30,000 fans...add in TV and Radio rights increasing. Honestly the argument against them spending a LOT more is something like "JR has a map to a gold mine but is too cheap to buy a shovel". The truth will come out in the next few months but I am very bullish.
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On 7/13/2021 at 1:09 PM, South Side Hit Men said:
Locked on Sox had a good discussion regarding Lynn / Rodon FA contracts on their podcast (23 minutes in).
The missing piece in their discussion was the budget considerations, but both felt Lynn (2-3 years $15M) and Rodon ($20M + 3-4 years) would be good signings, and that the Sox "could afford both",
Since the Sox are at the upper range of all time payroll, I'm not so sure they will spend for both, with the other substantial contracts on the books (assumption for this exercise is Keuchel makes 160 IP this/next year and club picks up these options *, and Arbitration estimates (guesses));
2022 ($136M): Abreu $19.7M, Grandal $18.3M, Keuchel $18M, Moncada $13.8M, Hendriks $13M, Anderson $9.5M, Jimenez $7.3M, Giolito $6M (A), Robert $6M, Bummer $2.5M, Engel $2.2M (A) (Eaton $1M) + 15 More Players ($19M - most at minimum which may increase with CBA plus a few in the $1M-$3M range)
2023 ($137M): Keuchel $20M, Grandal $18.3M, Moncada $17.8M, Hendriks $14M, Anderson * $12.5M, Jimenez $10.3M, Robert $9.5M, Giolito $8M, Bummer $3.8M, Engel $3.0M + 16 More Players ($20M - most at minimum which may increase with CBA plus a few in the $1M-$3M range)
If you're Rick Hahn and given a $155M-$160M budget for 2022 and beyond, what do you do? Sign Rodon at $20M for 3-4 years, Lynn at $15M for 2-3 years, both and trade higher priced contract to make it work, or neither and spend the money on cheaper FA pitchers, trade acquisitions and or hitting.
I think you are overly pessimistic about the size of the payroll going forward...JR has, many times, had a top 5-7 payroll over the last 30 years...he's a smart business man and I think he sees he could have a gold mine here...Cubs look to be headed into a 5 year down cycle...Sox have a LOT of exciting young players...COVID is over...I could see 35,000 per game attendance in 2022 and TV ratings boom as the city shifts to a Sox focus. That means money will be pouring in...and right now a top 5 payroll is $185 million. That means Sox have an upside of $50 million from this year...so fitting in Rodon and Lynn sure seems possible.
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14 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
I actually used Lopez in my imaginary trade with TX for Gallo. Supposedly they want MLB ready arms. Take that FWIW . The trade I proposed was Burger , Stiever and a multitude of choices for a 3rd piece including Lopez but not a valuable 3rd piece . Lopez would be a flyer but we got flyers in the Quintana /Eloy/Cease trade and another 2 in the Sale trade . People might disagree that Basabe was a flyer.
I mean I see people here asking If Crochet plus Burger plus any one of Kelley/Thompson /Dahlquist would be enough and I'm shocked when I see that stuff. Maybe they under rate our prospects or I over rate them. It's not like Gallo has 2+ years left before becoming a FA. You get him for 1.4 years and someone thinks Crochet and Burger and another one of our top 10 might not be enough ? He isn't Chris Sale with 3 full years left and one of the most dominant starting pitchers in the sport. He's barely more than a rental.
Hell people here seem Ok with just throwing Engel in RF with Goodwin and going with that. I don't know if it's because of Gallo's ridiculously high perceived cost or if they truly think Gallo over Engel wouldn't be much of a difference. Of course we heard the same from people about Mendick at 2nd when Madrigal went down.
I think Engel's 12 homers over his last 200 at bats and plus speed and plus defensive are intriguing because he doesn't cost anything. But as you have pointed other in an earlier post...we have babied Engel and put him in highly favorable pitching matchups...so you can't just extrapolate with an expanded role. Gallo gives you 40 homer power, lots of walks plus defensive and a lefty bat and fairly cheap for the next year and a half. I would be super excited about that...but not at any price. I don't really want to give up Crochet. He seems too obviously special. If you can get him for Burger (talk about playing with house money), Lopez and Kelly I think that would be fair...maybe through in Elijiah Tatis as a wild card. Then start clearing a place on the mantelpiece for the WS trophies the next two years.
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1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
A commitment to winning starts and ends with the checkbook. Signing a freaking pitching coach doesn't symbolize a commitment to winning. Jfc
I think that's fair which is what is going to make this year's trade deadline/next off season so interesting. RH has said "the money will be spent". I have been a big proponent of protecting your financial assets until you really need them...so I was fine with them not burning the extra money this past off season...I just didn't believe that 2021 was the "all in" year...as you could expect growing pains from Madrigal, Robert, Vaughn, Collins, Eloy, etc. But as the team locomotive seems to be building a head of steam this is the offseason to prove it. If the Sox had signed Machado or Harper three years ago their financial flexibility is gone. But it should be there now...so let's say Rodon continues doing 2021 Rodon the rest of the season...pitches 180 innings and finished with a 6 WAR....no arm trouble. Now there is no excuse for not giving him, say, a 4 year $100 million contract...after all given the construct of the team...locking in a dominating under 30 left handed starter for four years is exactly what they need. If management lets him walk...and Lynn walk...and doesn't trade for or sign an expensive replacement...well then I'm ready to join the JR haters that he's cheap and will never pay. I just think the team will pay to keep this group going.
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3 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
I don't think it's negative or ridiculous at all. I know all the young talent we currently possess . Yes the Sox guys are so good they are in the majors now but it's not like I am the first one to say the Sox had a top heavy Farm System.
Anyone who's been paying attention to the Sox farm knew this. And that's facts are as I presented them during the rebuild about trading Int'l money away and spending money on Manny's friends.
I didn't even go into how they have only in the years few years upgraded biomechanics and analytics because it would ve taken a lot more research and a much longer post to support my claims that the Sox didn't make changes fast enough to make the talent on the farm deeper nor simply didn't care about it enough judging by the Machado fiasco and trading away money.
i know there are a certain amount of very positive posters who don't like negative posts but if you objectively look at the ownership of the team and see the results of so so many top 5 payrolls it always ends the same way. No sustained success.
Feel free to trust the Sox to do the things you fully expect them to do. I won't call your post overly positive or ridiculous.
I love the Sox and am enjoying this season very much. That's why I want the Sox to win the World Series this year when the talent level is in all likelihood at the peak as far as a balance between pitching and hitting. You won't find me in game threads complaining about every decisions TLR makes or the lineup. I keep my eyes focused on the big picture and what to expect in the future from indicators from the past.
Apparently you trust JR . It's not like there has ever been any sustained success. It's always been one and done despite you pointing out the obvious to me. I am optimistic for this year but cynical for sustained success. You can believe in Santa Clause if you want to but it's not ridiculous if I don't.
You are generally one of my favorite posters...but I think two things are unfair...1) suggesting the Tatis disaster was some sort of systematic failure. Red Sox traded 80 career WAR Jeff Bagwell to Houston for 22 innings of Larry Anderson...that was a systematic failure...trading the 30th ranked prospect in all of baseball for a middle reliever in a walk year was bad thinking. Like trading Cespedes for Ian Kennedy...so risky. And I know you hated the James Shields trade but the Sox throwing in a nobody that was available a month before to any MLB team that was willing to pay chump change for him wasn't risky...until it was a total disaster. Including a lottery ticket in a birthday card is a funny joke until it hits for $100 million...and then it's the dumbest thing you ever did. Everyone feels bad about the bad luck...but every single trade any team ever makes has the chance of blowing up. 2) listing the "failures of the rebuild" as some kind of evidence of organizational incompetance. Signing crappy free agents was the plan...running out bad players was the plan. Losing lots of games for five years, while painful, was the plan. Now we are witnessing the plan succeeding.
As for trusting JR...I think he's a businessman and I think he loves the White Sox...he wants to win but has a budget. They did have some sustained success...that five years from 90-94 they won an average of 90 games a year...culminating in the greatest team I ever saw...that never had a chance to win because of the strike. 2000-2006 they also won about 90 games a year including winning a WS. Hey it's not a glorious franchise but it's ours...and now is our time in the sun...dunking on something as silly as someone's evaluation of our 20 year old prospects seems mean.
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2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
I'm trying to understand your post. You rightly point out the starting pitcher issues for the near future and even go so far as to say that any weakness puts the Sox in the barely over .500 territory.
Yet you ignore your own knowledge by saying the Sox can't trade a lot of farm talent to go all in. What if "this rebuild and all the associated pain for a decade" actually does turn out to be "2-3 years of pleasure" because the bottom ranked farm system doesn't provide what's necessary to continue the sustained success we have been promised. Then we only have Jerry's pocketbook and the ability of Hahn to make good trades to sustain the window . You will reap what you sow if you trust JR and Hahn to guide this team to sustained success. We were told repeatedly by Rick Hahn that the goal of the process was to ensure the White Sox “were competing for multiple championships.”
https://ontapsportsnet.com/2020/02/10/defining-success-for-the-white-sox-in-the-competitive-window/
Wouldn't it be better to go for it by trading that talent to help the team now ,when we have the pitching ,rather than wait until we no longer have the pitching ?
The Padres built a great farm system and have made a lot of trades but they had a plan going back to 2016 on how to build the farm. I'm not sure the Sox ever had a plan to build the farm.
Sure they built the farm by trading Sale, Eaton and Quintana but a plan outside of that , one to go hand in hand with sustaining success never seemed to materialize. We still saw them trading away international, money and taking gambles on other teams rejects like Palka, Skole, AJ Reed and others like most teams do. They didn't invest in players to try to flip them for more international money or minor leaguers. Instead they invested in friends of Manny Machado to try to lure him to the Sox.
Does everyone conveniently forget these wonderful plans to sustain the farm system ?
I'm going to give you links about how the Padres did it and when they started it and sustained it. Maybe no one reads them but it doesn't sound like how the Sox have done it at all .
The Padres had players graduate to the majors and traded half their top 30 prospects yet still had the 6th or 7th ranked farm system
https://www.mlb.com/news/how-the-padres-rebuilt-their-farm-in-9-months-c193571200
https://www.eastvillagetimes.com/comparing-padres-rebuild-cubs-mets-astros/
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/padres-join-excellent-company-as-no-1-farm-system/
https://friarsonbase.com/2021/02/10/padres-farm-system-ranked-seventh-best/
https://friarsonbase.com/2021/03/18/padres-top-prospects-farm-system-rankings/
The Sox did a good job of getting good minor league talent for good major league talent with good contracts. But did they ever get a superstar by trading someone who sucked with a big contract ? That's essentially how the Padres got Tatis, jr. from the Sox a measly 6 months or so before the Sox decided they didn't have the brains or wouldn't spend enough money to find a way to win without tearing it all down.
Don't worry if the Sox miss the playoffs next year and Keuchel sucks maybe Hahn can trade him and find the next Tatis, Jr. Good luck with that.
Ohmigod Cali this is the most ridiculous negative post. We have the top record in all the AL and Bill James, the father of sabermetrics, says players hit their prime at 27. Here are the Sox 27 or younger on the roster NOW....that's 15 guys...and those are almost all of our star players...and they are JUST BEGINNING. We have five years with just this group.
Garrett Crochet 22
Andrew Vaughn 23
Luis Robert 23
Codi Heuer 24
Eloy Jiminez 24
Nick Madrigal 24
Michael Kopech 25
Dylan Cease 25
Gavin Sheets 25
Jake Burger 25
Lucas Giolito 26
Matt Foster 26
Jose Ruiz 26
Yoan Moncada 26
Zack Collins 26
You know why our Farm system is ranked so poorly?? Because our young guys are SO good they are in the majors. Man if you want to continue to sour puss over the random bad luck of Tatis...or the possibility that the White Sox won't sign free agents even though there is lots of evidence that they will (top five pay roll in 00's, 90's and 80's when the team was competitive...Sox are currently $50 MILLION under the top five payroll) go for it. But almost all evidence is the team is on the cusp of greatness and I'd sure like more of the regulars on Soxtalk to recognize that.-
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35 minutes ago, WBWSF said:
There have been comments by White Sox fans on this site and elsewhere that they should trade Moncada and keep Burger. I'm beginning to wonder if there is much of a market for Moncada. This is the second year where he doesn't have any power. No power for a 3rd baseman and a big expensive contract doesn't exactly make him wanted by other teams.
Moncada is getting on base 40% of the time, is a plus defensive fielder and is making as much in salary in 21+22+23 as Machado is making this year. He's put up a .550 Slugging percent just two years ago...and he's only 26. Jake Burger is 25. Do you really want to trade Moncada?? Do you really think other teams wouldn't be interested in him?
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Why is Vaughn not the answer? Seriously...we are looking at 35 year old McCuthchen at a .780 OPS and a -1.5 dWar? Vaughn is only 24 and last year after never really playing OF before he looked like he could handle it. He's not ever going to be a great defensive outfielder but If you have Eloy, Vaughn and Robert all 25 and you can slot them into the outfield for the next five years and they hit 110 home runs/year while collectively batting .333...who cares if they give up a few extra runs? I feel like they will give out one big contract this off season...two if they can deal the crumbling K's...you let Romy hold 2b and then sign Robbie Ray. That rotation of Gio, Lynn, Cease, Kopech and Ray could be exciting.