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Careful, you're going to summon all the posters who are going to say the White Sox were never trying to win and the pencil pushers he has hired are going to change the world, you just wait for 3-4 years you'll see.

While I don't believe they expected to contend for a playoff spot, based on the things they said and the moves they made heading into 2024 there is no way I believe at all that they weren't trying to win. I honestly believe they thought they would probably be in the 70's for wins based on just improving the defense and patching the holes the roster had forever and completely backtracked once the season started and everything went off the rails. No team entering a tear down is trading a SP prospect for a 26 year old low upside corner outfielder. It is what it is at this point, here's to hoping this time is better.

Yeah, 2-5 with 0 series wins. Stellar.

Wow, so many success stories here. The Sox must have been really good the past couple of years.

Benintendi, Tauchman, and Slater.

That's fair, we don't know for sure what exactly his role was. What I do know is, he was part of the regime that caused this franchise to bottom out. Common sense dictates that you don't keep those people around when its time to start over. I know you already agree with that though.

I don't see how you can even think that. A big part were in this mess is because he was bad at his job as the director of player development. If we had hired an outside candidate to be GM, absolutely, they had no ties to this mess and have a huge pile of work to do to get it right. The guy they did hire, absolutely had a hand in creating this disaster by his inability to do his job successfully. How can you say that it should just be ignored now that he is the GM instead?

But Chris was part of the previous regime......

Getz didn't deserve a shot at the GM Job because he was director of player development during a failed rebuild that was largely because no one got developed. That's the main reason why. He should have never been allowed to be GM here. He should have been let go with the rest of them.

You can forget about next year, and if there is going to be a lockout in 2027 its looking more like 2028 for Thorpe, which sucks, because who knows what you're getting 3 years later. Sadly, same can be said for all these guys getting it done right now.

He's done almost as much in the last 20 years as a GM as the Sox have done as a franchise in their 125 year history. If that's what Getz turns into, ill gladly admit how wrong I was.

There were a lot of people prior to 2024 that said this team was going to break the record before a game had even been played (I was NOT one of those people, thought they had too much talent to be the worst ever). If feels like when you look at it today, there's the group that knew it all along, the group that got on board with that about halfway through the year, and then the group that's like "They weren't trying to win, this was always the plan". Which is funny, because I can't recall a single discussion heading into 2024 from anyone that the White Sox were in fact tanking and had no plans on trying to win games. Which again, makes no fucking sense since they couldn't pick any higher than 10th anyways so what exactly are you trying to tank for?

The question is how do you rank it so far though, at least that's how I look at it. I don't think this could have possibly gone any worse through a little over a year and if it couldn't be any worse how can it not be a failing grade, so far?

Its a hard topic to discuss, because there is no other team in baseball that would have hired this man to be GM. So yeah, I think an unqualified GM turning a 100 loss team into a 120 loss team absolutely should have been career suicide. I think any respectable owner should have realized that was a huge mistake and fixed it.

Dude, give them those 8 games then. They win 49 games. The team was a dumpster fire, there was no amount of luck swinging either way that was going to change it. Getz wasn't some outsider walking in wiping the slate completely clean, he was part of the previous regime, why does he get a pass for this? I can't answer your last question, none of us have any idea what kind of restraints he has on him for decision making from JR. Case in point, Grifol should have been fired LONG before he actually was, but again I have no idea if Getz wanted to fire him in May and JR said no or Getz just let it ride until he finally did it.

I can squint and somewhat accept someone saying that they give him a D. Giving him a C or higher at this point is just wild. He oversaw the worst season in MLB history, and deserves no leeway for that since he was already in this organization and oversaw player development leading up to said season. He's just as responsible for it as the guys who got fired. He's putting out, somehow, a worse roster than the 2024 team to start this year. His trades have largely been a disaster. So far, this has gone exactly how I suspected it would go by JR giving an unqualified in house guy the job of GM instead of doing the right thing and bringing someone from outside to fix this mess.

I fail to see what incredible bad luck happened to the 2024 Sox. They were just literally the worst collection of players in baseball history. And funny enough, almost all of that falls on Getz past and current job. Ultimately, it’s JRs fault for putting Getz in this position. It was time for a full on reboot from the ground up and once again, we failed to do that.

I think losing 121 games in 2024 should have been career suicide but here we are

But his spring stats!!

Yeah, the White Sox were so unlucky that the same 3 players who always get hurt...... got hurt...

Yeah I don't see anyway he's not in the rotation.

Could he improve, yes. Has been been god awful in his 500 MLB at bats so far over 3 season, yes. Would I rather have Coby Mayo easily over Miguel Vargas, also yes.

He does suck, the stats and eye test have proven this. No one said it was impossible for him to improve. Anyway, I was replying to the comment that Mayo is "probably preferable" to Vargas, which to me, is the only wild statement made so far.

Who declared it was impossible?

I can't believe I am going to have to watch Benintendi batting 3rd again for another season. What is this nonsense.