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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:33 PM) To me, getting young guys that are already proven makes a of sense. You still get some cost control, and you lose some of the uncertainty of turning into the next Brien Taylor. To be perfectly honest, I would be just fine if they said Moncada, Benintendi, and Devers for Sale. Done Deal. Obviously, I don't know the specifics of the discussions, but if were dicking around with lottery ticket A Ball players being added im just dumbfounded by it. That's 3 of the top 23 prospects in baseball, 2 of which are performing at a high level in Double A. That's MORE than enough for Chris Sale. This will more than likely be an unpopular take on the proposed Sale packages

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) If you wait until the off season you can get a player that is on a major league roster right now. I have no interest in getting Bradley, Betts, or Bogaerts in any deal for Sale/Q.. to me, that trade makes no sense. Not only would it lower the package, we would open a massive hole in our rotation and while getting a very good position player, I don't see how we are in any different situation than we are in now. If they are going to trade Sale/Q, it should be for a haul of top prospects. I know that they all wont work out, but I like that road better in terms of how this team can have a real chance of building something special

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) Here is the question. Could he get 4/60? Could he get 3/50? That ups his promised money, and at his age that could be big. It isn't as simple as being over 22AAV. He will be 35 years old come December.. Barring injury, he will complete this season with 10 straight years of 30+ Starts and 200+ innings I think its very possible he could get a 3 yr deal based on track record alone..

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:54 PM) Not to put words in your mouth, but I think my follow-on post to yours probably summed your line of thinking up. We said we are mediocre, now we expect to see some action today and more in the off-season. Do not be the same team starting next season. In no way were you saying you had to move Q or Sale or you'd be pissed, you simply said, you need to start that process now (that means moving Robertson, Shields, etc) and then continuing that effort in the off-season (and even then, it doesn't mean you necessarily move both Sale & Q, but you need to move one of them before the start of next season to truly shift the balance / change the philosphy). Whether it works, who knows, but when the current path is mediocrity and you've publicly indicated it, then you need to do different. That could be spending $1B on payroll too (and go the opposite direction) but they need to change things up because the current status isn't working (if you listen to what Hahn has said). Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. If this team is mediocre, and you make no moves, do we not still have a mediocre team? If nothing is done, how much more could we possibly add next season to make any reasonable change? Not much would be my guess, aren't we pretty much at the payroll limit? Why did we just trade Duke if we are still looking to compete next season? I have no answer to these questions because all I know is we have a mediocre team, acknowledged by our General Manager, and done nothing to show we are trying to change that

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:44 PM) Maybe because you are complaining in the Sale thread. Yeah, I made a general observation of this teams deadline short comings in the Chris Sale thread. I see how that post could have confused you into thinking I want them to trade Sale for whatever was offered regardless of how "good" the package was. To clarify so you don't lump me into the rest of the meathead crowd who just wants to see something done just because.. I want this team to pick a direction to go in, there are pieces on this team that can and should be moved today.. If you are out of it (Which we are) then moves need to be made to either 1.) Support the team next season (If they believe they can still compete) or 2.) Support the team in the future (If they believe its time to rebuild) Sitting on your hands and doing nothing, that's not a direction. As a fan, I want to see them commit one way or the other. Don't come out and tell me were mediocre and then not do anything, that tells me you're ok with being mediocre.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:40 PM) Wow haven't seen you post in while. Come the winter time he won't do anything about it either, because he can't. There's no easy way of fixing this trash of a team. People assume everything will be different with more teams available over the offseason but haven't we learned by now nothing works in our favor? No team is willing to overpay for any of our players......ever. So here we are mired in mediocrity I try to keep a low profile these days.. The worst part is, this will be the second year in a row this mediocre team just shrugs its shoulders at the deadline (AS OF NOW) instead of saying "This is what we are, this is what we need to do"

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:39 PM) You don't have to watch them at all. If they make you so miserable there are lots of other things to spend your time with. People take this stuff way too seriously. There is a thread on the main page that should put any of this into perspective. There is a lot worse than can happen to you than having to watch Chris Sale pitch for the White Sox the next 2 months. Again, I don't understand why you are focusing this on Chris Sale. I never even mentioned him in my original post.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:36 PM) If in your mind whatever they do will be wrong, why are you so interested? Because this is my favorite team and I have to watch them every year?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:33 PM) It has everything to do with it. Ok, well you don't know what offers have been made either.. that argument can work both ways. Doesn't change the fact that I still have zero faith in this front office making the right move.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) Please provide details of the deals they have turned down. What does that have to do with it? My post wasn't a move Sale/Q for whatever you can get post. There are plenty of moves that could have been made outside of our starting pitching. Its time to s*** or get off the pot, what does this organization aspire to be? Mediocre is not an acceptable answer, he flat out said this is a mediocre team. If you acknowledge your team is mediocre, and you do nothing about it, what does that tell you as a fan?

Unless something drastic happens, Hahn has come out and said this team is "mired in mediocrity" and yet, does not do anything about it.. As a fan, not a good look at all. Zero faith in this organization to make the right move.

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 09:51 PM) BoSox ain't trading this kid for anyone and the Sox ain't trading Sale for anyone not named Mike Trout. There's zero chance we retain Sale once his contract ends, not even the White Sox could be so inept that they lose him for a single lousy sandwich pick and nothing more.. He absolutely will be traded one day, but I have my doubts its this season..

Even if he never gets moved, as soon as that contract is up hes gone.. Maybe this will expedite his departure

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 01:51 PM) Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin 1h1 hour ago Chicago, IL Burdi making his Birmingham debut after being promoted. Could be a little bit of nerves involved. Had not walked anyone in prev. 5 games Well, at least his ERA is still 0.00

This is like watching paint dry, what a boring game

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 1, 2016 -> 06:06 PM) I think he thinks they're playing in Chicago this weekend so it is relevant to what you said very much. I know what he meant, I was just giving him s***

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 1, 2016 -> 06:02 PM) Oh how I wish I lived in Chicago right now Hmm, not sure how that's relevant to what I said at all

I'll be at the game tonight, hoping for the best. I have 3 extra tickets for tomorrow's game, right behind home plate. I can't find anyone else to go, so if anyone is interested in going PM me and we'll work it out. They are free, no worries there. It's sale day too, gonna be a good one.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 11:39 AM) O/U: 2.5 runs of run support tonight for Quintana? I'm saying under. Sox lose 3-2 in 12. Ill take the over, they avg 2.71 in his starts

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 08:29 PM) As I said in my initial post, hard for me to consider the cavs underdogs when their two top players went first overall, were heavily hyped while still in high school, perennial all stars and Love was a big time player as a freshman at UCLA and the fifth overall pick as well as a perrenial all star pre-Cleveland. This logic makes no sense. Golden State just set the wins record, hadn't lost 3 games in a row since November of 2013, and were practically unbeatable at home. The Cavs were absolutely underdogs.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 04:28 PM) I was in the camp of really disliking LeBron after the decision and tbh his flopping has always been pathetic to me (however after watching GS whine all series you realize even more how much apart of the game it is now) but I found myself really rooting for LeBron to win this year. You have to appreciate watching someone deliver on a promise to bring the first championship to their home city in 50+ years. Add on top of that they were underdogs and left for dead down 3-1 and had to win 3 consecutive games, including 2 in GS against a team who only lost 9 games all season. My one gripe about the finals were that every game besides game 7 was a blowout. My favorite was Curry's wife saying the Cavs possible come back from 3-1 was fixed by the NBA for money and ratings when Golden State had just done the same thing the round prior. As far as the blowouts go, at least the most important game wasn't.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 04:33 PM) It appears that one reason for WWE taking the title off of Roman Reigns may be due to house show business. WWE live event attendance in May had dropped from 5,600 last year to 3,900 this year, which is a 30% decline. While John Cena had been out of action, the A and B house show tours had been doing close to the same numbers. The B shows are usually the smaller towns and venues, and were headlined by Dean Ambrose. On this morning’s edition of Wrestling Observer Radio, Dave Meltzer (via wrestlinginc.com) had the following to say… “Last month the ‘B’ shows with Dean Ambrose, that were often in smaller markets, were drawing just as well as the ‘A’ shows with Roman Reigns. Roman Reigns is drawing really bad. Before he wasn’t, but now he is, so now it’s an issue. Does that mean that it led to this [title change], or is this just another way to get Roman Reigns more over, because that’s been the goal for the last however long? Time will tell.” Yup, thats what I read in regards to the attendance figures

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 03:46 PM) Who knows why they ended up going with this but I find it interesting that the theory is at least out there that this is in response to just how little of a draw Roman has proven to be for them. Like I said, no clue but I can buy into that one. I also saw something that said the "A" shows featuring Roman were drawing the same as the "B" shows featuring Ambrose and that could have played into this as well. I dunno, well see.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 08:27 AM) Ex-Bear Bryan Robinson, 41 Oh my, did anyone look into this? Apparently he was having a gay affair and could have possibly died from too rough anal sex

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 11:22 AM) Ramsey shooting the dying giant in the eye instead of John, who was RIGHT THERE, are far more unrealistic/egregious. I thought about that too, but realistically, lets say he shoots Snow instead. Wun Wun would probably have enough in him to squish him anyway. Even if that didn't work, he was surrounded with no support and would have died anyways. Its not like if he had killed Snow he would have gotten away so I was ok with that even though I immediately said the same thing "Why didn't he just shoot him, he was right there?"