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QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ May 31, 2011 -> 12:55 AM) Not to mention his old school style still thinks we need slap hitting Pierre in there instead of Dayan, who is clearly the better option its not even funny. The management of KW and Ozzie to not see this glaring issue is beyond me. Shame on KW for not standing up to Ozzie regarding this issue, he HAS TO know that Pierre is garbage and isn't doing a thing to help this team win. Could we really be the only ones to see this? Thats why you're a fan and KW is in the front office.. Pierre isn't garbage, but, that doesnt change the fact that Dayan should be up here.. either way, Juan isn't hurting the team

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 30, 2011 -> 11:02 PM) Mark is not a relief pitcher; that's why it's so absurd. That just can't happen. He's too established for that. Jackson is the best bet. Though Danks should be put in there ASAP to avoid a 20 loss season and get him some confidence back. Its not absurd, and Danks isn't losing 20 games anyway so that's irrelevant.. Your best arms should be the ones you're counting on to give you the most innings and Buehrle is by far the worst arm in the rotation.. QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 31, 2011 -> 12:04 AM) Um...that's a pretty big difference in era there and peripherals don't mean a damn thing with Mark. We know exactly what we're going to get from Buehrle and we know it's going to be a hell of a lot better than what we get from Edwin. Come on Rowand, its not even a full run difference how can you consider that pretty big? And anyways, im not saying that I want Buehrle to go to the pen, I am saying that IF they even eventually do that I would prefer that it be Mark who goes..

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 30, 2011 -> 09:53 PM) Shack you are calling for a sweep in Boston. That would be awesome, but highly unlikely. It's Fenway. Im pretty sure we've won 11 of 13 against Boston, not that unlikely..

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 30, 2011 -> 04:12 PM) Yeah that's how we do things here. Punish the guys who succeed. Yeah, we can just do what a moron would do and send one of Jackson/Humber/Danks to the pen instead and completely destroy the trade value they would have as starting pitchers.. Buehrle: 73.2 IP - 82 H - 19 BB - 35 K - 3.91 ERA Jackson: 68.0 IP - 79 H - 25 BB - 59 K - 4.63 ERA How is that any case that its outrageous to suggest MB should be the one to go to the pen? Because hes been here 12 years? Theres no point in adding Danks because he is the most likely trade candidate and it would be beyond foolish to put Humber, your best pitcher, into the pen.. Jackson still can have trade value, and he has much better stuff than Buehrle and sorry, but the numbers aren't that much different to suggest that its the wrong move..

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ May 30, 2011 -> 02:12 PM) Trade Buehrle now while he has some value and before he starts to suck again. seriously.. If anyone needs to go to the bullpen, its Buehrle

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 30, 2011 -> 11:47 AM) The same thing applies to Tyler Flowers. Since he was the centerpiece of the Vazquez trade, they're going to keep counting on him as a big part of the team's future even though he seems to not be very good. hes doin pretty good in AAA right now

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 30, 2011 -> 12:57 PM) It's Memorial Day, May 30. Memorial Day is the first legit "Evaluation day" we hit during a MLB season. This team is 7 games below .500, 9.5 games back in the division. If they don't win this series, it's just about selling time. I would still give it till the end of June.. there is really no rush, and we still have a lot of games with the Cubs, Nationals, Diamondbacks.. plus, if you make this kind of investment going "all in" you might as well try to give them as much time as you can before pulling the plug..

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 30, 2011 -> 01:47 PM) And judging by every other Sox prospect, I am sure Danks will K at an Adam Dunn-rate and Flowers will suck as well. I am confident in Dayan to be a stud since he sported a sexy .840 OPS last year. Flowers has a nice line going right now in AAA, Ide rather he be up here than AJ's sorry ass.. Danks, who knows.. and Dayan is ready to be here too.. plus, cheap

finally, were making moves

QUOTE (JPN366 @ May 30, 2011 -> 12:21 AM) Don't get all the hate. Me either it was awesome The only thing I didn't like is they made Alan look like a dick at the beginning of the movie, which I didn't really get

If we start trading off pieces I really hope Viciedo, Flowers, and Danks are all up and playing a LOT

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ May 29, 2011 -> 06:39 PM) You started that game. Whatever you think of his overall record the White Sox are right now really BAD and when teams under perform the manager is often shown the door. That's just the way it is. I know, but I just cant see how this is Ozzies fault.. If you wanna talk about his outbursts as a reason to can him, then I cant really argue that

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ May 29, 2011 -> 06:30 PM) Not counting 2005, Ozzie's win avg. is a much more mediocre 83 and I would say that the level of talent on the White Sox over the course of his reign has been superior at least in the Central to that of the other teams. Of course all the woes of the White Sox are not directly Ozzie's fault but pretty much the same could be said of every other manager/head coach in the history of sports who has ever been fired. The White Sox have a lot of problems. Changes need to be made and I feel like a major overhaul at the top level (manager and coaching staff) would be a good start. Ok, so not counting 2007 his win avg. is much greater than 86 I can play this game too!!

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 29, 2011 -> 06:25 PM) This notion that Kenny has done nothing good is pure nonsense. We just freaking signed Humber and turned him into one of the better SPs in the AL thus far. Sergio Santos has become one of the better closers in the league. These players are under team control at practically nothing if we want them. Kenny went out and signed Adam Dunn, and while it hasn't worked out, I don't really understand how we are going to fault him for a guy that just inexplicably falls of a damn ledge overnight. I realize that Alex Rios is not hitting and Jake Peavy has been injured and hasn't lived up to his massive contract. Fault Kenny for being overly aggressive there if you'd like. But some of this stuff is just ridiculous and inexplicable. The performance of Matt Thornton, John Danks and Adam Dunn thus far this year is so far off their career norms that I am not sure a GM in baseball, or anyone for that matter, could have predicted this. I don't know if it is Ozzie, I don't know if it is the collection of guys in the clubhouse, I don't know if it is the gods of baseball or what...but there is all kinds of talent on this team that that continually underperforms in ways that no one saw coming. I know people want heads to roll and accountability, but I've got news for most folks...there are not too many people in baseball that didn't think Adam Dunn wasn't exactly what the White Sox lineup needed this season. Faulting the FO, and even the on-field management for the way these guys have played is just applying results that could not have been forseen retroatively in some sort of cruel joke. I'm baffled. I didn't love the Dunn signing, but this? No f***ing way did anyone see this coming. I don't agree with the consensus that KW hasn't done anything good in years, I was basically just saying what everyone else pretty much thinks around here.. BUT.. he still went out and got these players and they have more or less been non factors.. If anything, he should be the one to go before Ozzie.. I agree with you that it is just baffling how Dunn and some of the others cant do anything right now.. but outside of his media outbursts, I dont think hes been a bad manager at all

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 29, 2011 -> 01:22 PM) But my point is things should be a hell of a lot better. So we should be avg 95 wins a season? No one does that. And yes, this season SHOULD be a lot better.. but some of our key pieces have decided to disappear..

QUOTE (BearSox @ May 29, 2011 -> 04:03 PM) The only real way for fans to determine how good a manager has been if the manager consistently puts the team in the best position to succeed. If you believe Ozzie has done that, I want some of whatever you are on. Ozzie has avg 86 wins a season at the helm, as I already said in the other thread.. And a lot of those times, its been without the same level of talent as the other contending teams.. Is it really Ozzies fault that Rios cant hit water if he fell out of a boat? It must be because of Ozzie that Adam Dunn suddenly forgot how to be worth a damn.. Where is the line here of who is to blame? The coach who seemingly HAS been able to get the most out of what hes been giving, or the dude who gave him these mediocre players in the first place? Weve already gone over a million times how KW hasn't really made any good moves in years.. well what if someone was GM that WAS making good moves.. do you think this team would still be under performing with Ozzie as manager? I don't.

haha, this is the kind of game where wed score 4 in one inning to make it a 6-5 game and then end up losing 10-6

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 29, 2011 -> 09:44 AM) Are you really satisfied with being an 86-win ballclub when we spend way more than everyone else and play in for the most part a second-class division? He has made the playoffs twice in those seven years. 86 wins sounds nice, but when you see the full context of the 86, it loses it impressiveness and becomes just mediocre. Well the point is things could be a lot worse.. Would you be more satisfied with 86 wins a season, or if we had a losing record every year? At least for the most part, we've been in the playoff race every year..

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 29, 2011 -> 03:08 AM) I just wonder what you meant by I hate everybody. I don't think I hate everybody on the team. Around the horn, I like Paulie, Beckham, Lexi, neutral on Morel. I like him more than dislike. Dislike Teahen, not a fan of Omar playing every day. Currently don't like AJ much. Don't like Pierre, dislike Rios, definitely like CQ. Hate Dunn. On the mound, like Mark, Danks, don't care much for Floyd, Jackson, I do like Humber. Not a fan of any of our relief corps except Sergio. Really down on Matt and not a huge fan of what I've seen of Sale. Hate Pena. Bench: I do like Lilly; don't like Castro much. So I like a majority of the team. Coaches: Don't care for any of them right now. Love Ozzie, hate the job he's done burying us this year. So basically you like everyone who does good, and dislike everyone who isn't performing..

QUOTE (kev211 @ May 29, 2011 -> 12:12 AM) How epic would it be if Cleveland somehow snuck into the playoffs next year, and managed to knock off Miami in the 1st round? Chances of that happening slim to none, but still it would be epic. lol

Ozzie Guillen has averaged 86 wins a season, and has a world series title under his command of the White Sox.. I like how your selected numbers make him and KW out to be garbage..

QUOTE (Jake @ May 28, 2011 -> 12:41 PM) fixed I thought you were just making fun of the lineup we had out there today by saying you forgot to add Lillibridge into the group of "awful" players we have out there.. if not, nice

QUOTE (Jake @ May 28, 2011 -> 12:39 PM) You forgot...Lillibomb nice sarcasm, see what just happened?

QUOTE (fathom @ May 28, 2011 -> 12:35 PM) I'm just stunned that the lineup we have out there today is supposed to be a contender in the American League. No power outside of the 2/3/4. We have a team where the catcher and third base positions provide no power either, and the left fielder would have maybe 4 homers in Little League. Not if you count inside the park ones

QUOTE (The Baconator @ May 27, 2011 -> 11:32 AM) I saw the Hangover 2 last night. Laughed my ass off; definitely on par with the first one. What irked me was the guy sitting next to me laughed TWICE the entire movie... and that was at the photos in the credits. For anyone that sees that movie, can you imagine only laughing twice during it? What kind of soulless husk of a human being was I sitting next to? QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 27, 2011 -> 11:14 PM) Hangover II was awful. I wanted it to end 40 minutes in... what a disappointment.