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QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 09:20 PM) But you're saying that all medical studies about steroids are utterly useless. So why aren't all medical studies utterly useless, since they use similar methods? Btw, since no reputable doctor would prescribe steroids for a healthy athlete, technically ANY such use constitutes abuse. Most medical studies are about effects of steroid abuse, the effects of taking them long and hard and over doing it.. People who are addicted to steroids like that will hurt themselves and others.. Thats what I was saying along the lines of abuse

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 09:17 PM) On subjects like this...I cannot agree to disagree. But I will stop responding to him on this subject, because it has no effect. I'm cool. Good decision.. because nothing your gonna say is going to change my mind about steroids.. Especially after life experiances with them, I can tell you that they are put way out of context then they really are..

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 09:15 PM) You have a right to your opinion, but do you really expect me to believe you when you say that all doctors and medical evidence are total crap? Maybe the mumps are great too, I've never had 'em, after all. Nah im not trying to say all doctors are wrong what im saying is they are talking bout straight ABUSE of steroids which is making it seem like its poison, but thats not the case..

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 09:12 PM) I've never taking opium either but there is a mountain of information that tells me it's pretty bad for me & the risk of addiction is very high. Of course the fact that I can describe it's chemical breakdown & most aspects of its impact on the human body, it's history, & it's current growth span today I guess is meaningless because I've never tried it :rolly You are taking yourself seriously so I'll just ask some questions to maybe get you to pause & think differently. Why would my personal experience with say smoking weed have greater value than clincal research covering say 10's of 1000's of persons smoking weed? In the same likeness why would your personal experience with performance enhancers have greater value than 10's of 1000's of others accounts. The best knowledge is collective knowledge because it filters out biased opinion. That's why the internet is the best tool mankind has ever invented. I dont Smoke Weed or take Opium so I wouldnt be able to tell you about all that, and of course its ETCHED into everyones heads that its bad for you from the media.. a lot of things are..

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 09:06 PM) And don't give us the crap of "If you never took them, you can't comment" Life isn't like that. haha, its not crap.. its the truth All you know is what you have been told.. and thats what life isnt like If you have never used them you dont know what your talking about, all your doing is recycling the same old s*** from what you have HEARD about them.. so please, spare me your repetative bulls***

QUOTE(ptatc @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:59 PM) The acne part was a joke. What were the gains and the level and the length of use that will determine the abuse? If the gains were less than a 40% gain in the 1 time max rep than it wouldn't be sufficient to make a difference on an athletic field. You will not see the side effect for at 8-10 cycles. If he has been using it for less than that ( if its an oil based steriod) he won't have them yet. Steriods make the person feel good in the short term. It's the effect it has on the body long term that is the problem. Juggernaut - I am educated in it, I dont need to check out google.. Ive seen it in real life experiances and I know about it. You get all your s*** from google. Finding something scanning it then saying you know it doesnt mean you know it.. ptatc - My friend did a small cycle and gained 17 lbs, and went from benching 225 9 times to benching 225 15 times

QUOTE(ptatc @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:47 PM) The only way to get the radical gains in performance is to abuse them. If you use them at low dosage, you only get marginal improvements in performance and a real bad case of acne. not true my friend has made huge gains on bench press, without abusing, and without getting acne

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:41 PM) No harm. I don't agree with you, based on my personal experience, but you're entitled to your opinion. I truly hope that you, and your friends that use them, never have the displeasure of seeing the negatives and destruction of them. I have never actually injected steroids.. my friends have, but I have taken other illegal substances in pill form havent ever had a problem

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:39 PM) I've given you numbers & facts but you choose to ignore them in lieu of what you've witnessed amongst your friends. Good luck in life young person. :rolly haha, you give me your "numbers" but yet you have no experiance with this what so ever.. You sit there and tell me "good luck in life" like im pulling s*** out of my ass or im like some 15 year old who is clueless.. I have friends that have used steroids, I have used illegal substances and if you abuse it you will get in trouble.. but like I said.. if you have never taken it you dont know what your talking about, simply put you can show me all the anti steroid articles you want, doesnt mean I dont know what Im talking about

QUOTE(ptatc @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:38 PM) Listen to Steve Courson talk. He has had a heart transplant and a liver transplant due to his abuse of steroids in the NFL. How about Lyle Alzado who deid of a brain tumor caused from the steriods. While its true that there has been no clinical trails to definitively state steriods will kill you (as stated at the hearings) the evidence is growing as the NFL players from the late 70's to early 90's get older. We will see how many die early. Todd Bell from the Bears in the 80's died of a heart attack at the age of 46. While this does occur in the normal population it shouldn't occur in a man of his fitness level at the time of death. I'm not saying he was on steriods for sure butt watch the deaths of NFL players from the time period when they had a minimal steriod policy and it may change your mind. yeah key word in there... ABUSE

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:37 PM) I've never used them.. but I know people who have and I've seen them destroy several lives. Steff I didnt mean to make that seem like I was directing it to you, I forgot I hit quote

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:36 PM) Absolutely. Everyone that was using knows everyone else that was (is) using. And for the record.. in case it's not clear.. it is my opinion that Sosa and Mark both used roids. My friend told me that Mac admitted to using roids? He could have been mistaken but he said that Mark admitted to using them today.. sorry if someone already mentioned this, I cant skim this huge thread..

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:33 PM) Your friends are very lucky.. from what I've seen first hand anyway. Unless any of you have ever used steroids.. you dont know what your talking about thats all I have to say about it

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:30 PM) I hope you meant to put that in green, and your repsonse to it also. If you are truly serious with that statement...I feel sorry for you. im dead serious, there should be no green there..

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:17 PM) Can I ask you a few questions? Do you think illegal substances such as heroine, weed, crack, ecstacy are cool as well? Do you think that operating machinery or vehicles under the influence of such is cool? What is your definition of cool? The fact that 17% of roid users can grow an addiction to me is not cool. The fact that those who become addicted can suffer severe depression leading to suicide during withdrawal is not cool. The fact that over 50% of the wrestlers who were roids users during the Hogan era are dead is not cool. The data is overwhelming that continued roid usage will lead to an ever decreasing quality of life is not cool. Maybe ignorance is cool :rolly did I say those other things were cool? No I did not.. I dont understand where you get operating machinery while under the influence from what I said, I think I made it pretty clear what I was talking about.. Give me a list, with the EXACT percentage of wrestlers who have died from steroids since the Hogan era with proof it was caused from steroids.. without that I dont believe that bulls***.. so far, from what I have witnessed with my friends.. it has not "decreased" any qulaity in their life..

QUOTE(Tmar28 @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 07:59 PM) wow you are blatantly wrong your opinion but I know im not the only person who feels that way

they should just fix the suspensions, this is getting played out.. they are making too big of a deal over steroids, steroids are cool and I would reccomend all young people looking to get bigger to take them..

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Mar 8, 2005 -> 03:21 PM) Thomas Davis ahead of both Pool and Shazor is also pretty bad...likely a 2nd round pick. Gruden loves Cadillac. No way he makes it past 5. Also, Williamson at 7? Isn't that like taking Clarett on day 1, or like taking me in the draft period? He is good, but if he goes in the top 10, I will eat my shoe...or be drafted by an NFL team, I'm not sure which. I shouldn't have even looked. I thought my draft may have been a little crazy...ROFL. Thomas Davis is the best S in the draft just to correct you there wite

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QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 08:50 PM) We agree on all those points. well you said they are fairly consistent, when they pretty much arent at all thats what I was saying.. And the Arizona comment wasnt for you, my bad

Man this movie is going to be awesome... whats the exact release date? I think I missed it if it was posted in here

holy crap Carlos is killing the ball... thats awesome.. I cant wait to see him when they come to Houston

Maryland is my pick

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Mar 14, 2005 -> 12:38 PM) Digger thinks that as well. I have to disagree. By the way, does anyone else think this is an extremely tough bracket? If Illinois wants to make it to St. Louis they are going to have their work cut out for them. Texas- Fairly consistent. Nevada- TOUGH. This is a damn good basketball team that isn't really getting talked about. Arizona- Extremely difficult. Scares the hell out of me. Oklahoma St.- Real good team. Actually, an argument for a #1 seed can be made for the Cowboys. When they are on, they are real tough. We are really going to have to play our best to make it out of Chicago. Texas sucks man.. they have been a huge dissapointment all year.. got bounced out by Colorado in the conference tourny.. Living down here in Texas I can tell you UT is not consistent, and they will prolly lose to Nevada also Arizona is more scary than OSU