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He should set the bar high, that's how you get maximum return. I do think he doesn't make it to OD on the roster, I just changed my stance from the Sox not getting good offers to its more likely Getz just isn't budging on his initial asking price. I think you can only play that card for so long before it starts getting too dicey. With a vastly improved defense, as long as he doesn't get hurt, I think Cease will be fine if he has to pitch for the Sox the first half of the year.

Well that's the problem, no one knows what has really been discussed or offered. I just tend to believe that if the options are no one has offered anything fair for Cease OR Getz has a ridiculous asking price, I would lean towards Getz having a ridiculous asking price. I don't recall seeing anyone in MLB circles as far as reporting goes report anything along the lines of Cease not returning a "haul" so I really don't think this has to do with subpar offers.

You're right, we don't. You can use common sense and history to tell you that a durable SP that is cheap and under control for 2 more seasons with Cy Young potential doesn't get the cold shoulder when put on the market. The only reasonable explanation, or assumption, at this point is that the asking price by Getz is probably outside of the realm of reality at this time.

I can recall seeing posters who know people as well as articles posted in this thread that have said the Sox asking price is sky high on this. I think no one has met the price because the price is absurd. I just don't see a reality where no one has offered the Sox a fair trade package, there is obviously something else that has prevented this from getting done by now.

I would love to know what has been offered for Cease from other clubs. For most of this thread, I have been under the assumption that there haven't been strong offers and Getz has been waiting it out to improve on that. I am now starting to feel like they have gotten good, strong offers and Getz is just not budging from some kind of ridiculous ask he is staying firm on.

If the Orioles can't trade Westburg and 3 prospects who are in their 8-15 range then they just aren't serious about it. That's not unreasonable at all.

That was a dump trade, this isnt even close to similair in player talent/value

Meh, that's not enough for me and I would hope Getz feels the same. If they aren't budging on their top 50 guys the package has to be 4 players.

I think I would do Westburg, Beavers, McDermott & Horvath for Cease. I am not thrilled with a 25 year old 2B as the big piece here but its a solid overall package IMO.

I don't want to hold him at all, I think it would be stupid to take that risk when you are clearly not attempting to compete this coming season and you will not resign the player. I don't see a worthwhile gain from waiting until the deadline to trade him, its not moving the needle enough to hold him. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

By scouting reports/general prospect rankings. I believe the trade will be for 3-4 prospects and be structured something like this 2 high end guys, 1 mid tier guy OR 1 high end guy, 2 mid tier guys, 1 back end guy Listen, its going to happen barring an arm explosion from Cease. We just saw Giolito get traded for a top 100 guy and another of a teams top 5 prospects. This was for 2 months. There really is no scenario where the return for Cease is a light as some of you guys are making it seem. When it happens, no idea. Its going to happen eventually.

They will absolutely get 2 pcs definitively better than Ortiz when he is eventually traded, no doubt about it.

With that win, the Miami Dolphins now take over the longest post season winless drought in the main 4 major american sports. Last win happened in 2000, and even that one was lucky. Between the White Sox and Dolphins, I have 2005 and thats pretty much the only good thing that has happened in my sports fandom existence.

Didn’t you hear? All their prospects are guaranteed to work out and no one will have regression. Why add anything?

This guy is a dope, I don’t know why people continue to entertain him.

I’m trying to reserve judgement because they were missing 6 defensive starts and playing in crazy weather BUT they were 8-3 and folded last season, 9-3 and folded this season. If it happens again next year you have to fire him. Also, not so sure Tua is the guy anymore. He’s a one read guy with no stand out traits or athleticism. I wouldn’t extend him.

If I had two options and they were Cease gets injured and craters his value or Cease gets traded for Ortiz+Povich+Beavers I will take the trade of Ortiz+Povich+Beavers. Again, what I said was just a hypothetical and am not advocating to just give him away to avoid injury.

At least until some of the young guys come up, but yeah opening day is going to be filled with a bunch of garbage I don't have much interest in watching.

I don't think you understood what I meant. I was just saying hypothetically I would rather get an underwhelming package for Cease instead of seeing him get hurt. I don't think they are going to get an underwhelming package anyways and fully expect him to be traded, but would be incredibly disappointed if he is on this opening day roster.

He was never going to play out his contract here anyways, doesn't matter who his agent is. This does however worry me about Luis putting up another 5+ WAR season and Boras bitching about his clients $15million salary.

This team is flat out going to be noncompetitive in 2024. The time to cash in on Cease is now, while he is still cheap and has 2 seasons of control left. There is no reason at all to run the risk of an injury derailing his value. This team needs young promising assets, and Cease is one of two chips they have to make that happen. We cannot afford to not cash in on Cease this off-season.

Holding on to him would be just about the dumbest thing I can think of. He needs to be gone before they report. I would rather trade him for an underwhelming package than see him get hurt and be worthless.

Yep, that's what happened with Josh Allen. You draft a player on what you believe they can become. Josh Allens college stats were awful. Couldn't even complete 57% of his passes against a bunch of nobodies. Drafted, developed, and by year 3 he was an MVP caliber superstar.

A lot of that is going to depend on the coaching staff and the scheme that's going to be there for the QB when they step into the league.

If it means the MLB team is competitive and has a chance to make the playoffs and win a title, absolutely. Im about to have to watch my favorite team slog through a 90-100 loss season. I would give away our top 5 prospects if it meant we would win 90 games and make the playoffs. I would give them away if it just meant I would enjoy watching the season in 2024. This is about to be miserable and a bunch of prospects who might be good in 2-3 years doesn’t really matter much to me as a fan.