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What is a TOR pitcher? FIP-Based WAR rankings for Cease from fangraphs. 2021 - 13th - 4.5 2022 - 11th - 4.4 2023 - 18th - 3.7 Hes been roughly a top 15 pitcher in baseball the last 3 years, and considering there are only 30 spots for #1 in a rotation I would say hes a top of the rotation pitcher. What is your criteria?

Texas lost to OU and barely beat teams like Houston and TCU You can make arguments for almost everyone like that

So dumb, Georgia is clearly one of the top 4 teams in college football.

What was encouraging about that trade?

It sucks but if Cease is traded how do you not trade Robert? Are we just supposed to watch this guy be bored out of his mind surrounded by absolute trash for 2-3 years? Whats the point. I can see him getting disinterested real fast.

Literally anyone can DH, you don't have to be a big slow plodder to occupy the DH spot. That was what was meant when the Sox had too many DH's, slow big men who can't play anywhere else.

Which is crazy to me as that is their job to know, when all I did was see a highlight package and was like WTF was this pick?

We all knew this anyway, but man is this team going to be bad next year.

To keep up the mirage they are still trying to "compete"

Someone will definitely be willing. 28 year old starters with ace upside don't get overlooked.

Why would they now?

I’m not laughing at you, I’m just saying what a lot of these guys are worth is more than what fans think.

Yes but you also have to remember Balta thought we would get a bag of balls for Giolito as well at the deadline.

I think that would be a good get for us for sure. I don't see how that hurts Baltimore down the line either.

Castillo was 29 years old and I believe had 1.5 years of control left. Castillo had more good seasons than Cease but mostly because he was in MLB 2 years before Cease debuted. Very comparable numbers. The Mariners sent 4 prospects to the Reds, 3 of them were in the Mariners top 5 prospects and 2 of those were top 100 prospects overall (#18 and #93).

Meh, if hes having a productive season there's no reason you can't see Moncada moved for something interesting with the Sox kicking in money.

They will for sure be in the market, but I don't think they will pay what the White Sox are asking. He's more valuable to a team like the Dodgers, Giants, Yankees, Red Sox, etc. because they get him for 2 years cheap and then they will still control him through an extension. You can pay the prospect price when you know you are getting many years of this asset. Baltimore, in my opinion, will not pay the fair price because they know they only get 2 years from him and that's it. I really believe if Baltimore was serious about it Cease would have been traded there at the deadline. They obviously got pretty deep in the discussions. You might just hold out hope they go "Welp, maybe if we had traded for Cease we wouldn't have been swept out of the playoffs."

The Orioles are a great fit on paper, young team ready to compete now. Need a top SP, they have assets they can trade without hurting their team now and in the future. In reality, they are a terrible fit. They are reluctant to trade any of these high end guys, they have already come out and said they can't even resign their own players so like you said above, there is no way they would resign Cease for what it would take.

From September until the EOS, he had a 2.83 ERA and was striking out almost 12 per 9. So yeah, I would say he probably would have helped any team going into the playoffs in 2023. Still had a FIP of 3.72 playing on a 100 loss team with no offense or defense. At 28 years old with 2 season of control left and front off the rotation appeal, if traded he will absolutely bring back a nice package.

I just don't understand how anyone can defend that he was a good White Sox announcer. He was a total goofball, almost at all times. The difference is on the national level he isn't working on his stand up routine like he did during White Sox games. He can be a great announcer and one of the best in the business while not being a very good White Sox announcer. They aren't mutually exclusive.

oh boy, this should be a good thread

I find it interesting his post says “If my time in Chicago is over” Seems pretty obvious they haven’t closed the door on bringing him back potentially. Otherwise, why would you say “if”

RF: Michael Conforto (0.7) / Gavin Sheets (-1.4) + 2.1 2B: Whit Merrifield (0.8) / Elvis Andrus (0.6) + 0.2 C : Austin Hedges (-0.1) / Yasmani Grandal (-0.7) + 0.6 SP: Lucas Giolito (-1.2) / Lucas Giolito (2.8) - 1.6 SP: Jack Flaherty (-0.5) / Mike Clevinger (2.2) -1.7 So basically, we would be LOSING 0.4 WAR with these 5 signings depending on how you hash it out.

Im not diving into the Kim Ng good or not debate, all I am saying is if you're a fan of the Chicago White Sox you really shouldn't be scoffing at someone else's playoff appearance count.

The White Sox have been around since 1901, that's 122 years. We have made the playoffs 11 times in that 122 year span. While playoffs have slowly expanded over that time frame, there is no Sox fan that should be calling making the playoffs unimpressive.