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I wish the White Sox had enough balls to sign someone like Bellinger. He would look great in RF and if we still stunk another decent trade chip.

Hard to let this mindset go when you won a World Series doing it.

Maybe something is off here but I wasn't saying to just take an offer before his next scheduled start even if it isn't great. I think if nothing happens before his next scheduled start, you skip him until he is dealt.

Giolito is one of the best SP available at a deadline in a big sellers market, he is going to return something or things of value on paper. Doesn't matter who the GM is, the names coming back will be good ones. If they work out or not, that's another story. The other option is to let him walk with a rejected QO and get a pick in the 3rd round range. Bleck, I would rather roll the dice on some players we already have seen professionally.

That would be a horrible decision that is on par for this franchise, so I can see it happening. "Short of an injury" - That's kind of the most important part here, and you can completely eliminate it by not starting him in a meaningless game.

Well, for starters, he was already an All Star for us. You can't pretend to know how a trade will work out. Doesn't matter how bad you think Rick Hahn is at his job. Were not just having a bad year, the future looks grim as f***. Signing Giolito to a franchise record contract is under no circumstance a good move for the White Sox now and moving forward. Resigning Giolito does not solve the mountain of problems with this organization moving forward. Trading him for a max return and possibly getting multiple cheap controlled pieces to help this franchise in the future is the clear best path.

Yeah, there's no way he pitches for the White Sox again. He just threw 5 shutout innings with 9 K's against the current AL Central Division leaders. You put him up on that and say come with your best offers, its now or never boys. Let the bidding begin.

There is no way you can let Giolito pitch again before the deadline. Any competent organization would never let that happen.... ah s%*#.

Guys, again, there is 0.0 chance that Giolito is resigned. This is a really bad team, with a really bad farm system. You think they are going to drop $100 million plus on a 29 year old SP right now? He will be traded within the week, and we will be much better for it long term.

Meh whatever, we will need someone to throw some innings once Giolito and Lynn get moved.

Very obviously that was JR for the first 3 items. The calling up a prospect to not use them though, I don't get it. You would assume that's the managers call.

I tend to believe that if signing Giolito to an extension was a realistic option, it would have been done already.

Would have loved to have added Harper and Wheeler to this team.

My guess is they told him they don't want him anymore.

Ideally, here is what the future looks like as is.. I will also assume we trade Giolito and some bullpen arms for some sort of re-enforcement for next year and beyond. Possibly a trade of TA. The starting pitching is going to be the biggest issue, but assume with Lynn and Clevinger out they take that $30 ish million and use it to bring in two pitchers in the 10-12 million range. A competent front office and coaching staff can probably be competitive in this division next season. Obviously a lot changes happen if guys like Cease and Robert get dealt. C - Need to sign or trade 1B - Andrew Vaughn 2B - Need to sign or trade (Maybe Remillard, Sosa, Gonzalez, Rodriguez?) 3B - Yoan Moncada / Jake Burger SS - Tim Anderson (Stop gap & Colson Montgomery late 2024? if Tim is traded or option declined) LF - Andrew Benintendi CF - Luis Robert RF - Oscar Colas DH - Eloy Jimenez SP - Dylan Cease SP - Michael Kopech SP - Need to sign or trade SP - Need to sign or trade SP - Need to sign or trade

The other thing about it is generally the only GM jobs available are the least attractive ones. The good ones are already filled with competent people.

What's really more likely.. The White Sox clean house, and entire new front office is brought in KW retires, Rick Hahn is moved to Executive Vice President, and Chris Getz moves to GM.

The White Sox job should be a very attractive job. You would get to GM a team that has shown it will spend money to an extent, not necessarily on individual players but as a total payroll. A good GM could do wonders with a $180 million dollar payroll, that's no issue. The rest of the division isn't spending like that, maybe Detroit, but if you think you're a good GM you could run this division no problem year in and out. On the flip side of that, you also would get to build your reputation and if the White Sox refuse to sign the Harper's or Machado's of the world and can't resign their Giolito's or Cease's, then you get to parlay that into a gig with an organization that WILL spend the money when you get tired of being dicked around. Win win if you're an up and coming GM candidate in my opinion. Here's the problem. If the White Sox GM position is going to be open when the season ends, how in the f*** can the current regime be allowed to make trades and decisions for the future of this franchise? If Rick Hahn is out of a job, why is he still in a position to make franchise altering decisions right now? He is still in charge, its frightening, and I lean more to the side of he absolutely will be back as GM next season. What proof is there otherwise that he won't? Does anyone really believe they have internally passed the reigns to KW for the deadline and told Hahn he's going to be out? Why wouldn't you just fire him if that were the case.

Perfect game honestly. Guys with value looked good AND we lose in embarrassing fashion. I’ll take that all day.

Man what a miserable season. One of the worst I can ever remember.

I don't know, and honestly don't care anymore. Ive accepted it and it is what it is with this team. Ill just watch and hope for the best.

Might as well just sweep them and keep the false hopes alive for this front office. I don't expect them to do the right thing no matter what happens and next season and beyond seems bleak anyways, so if they can somehow surge up to win this shitty division I guess its better than doing nothing and being in the same situation next season anyway.

They traded for Moncada, Luis was an international signing

Nope, but that's just how free agency is. All I know is, there is no front office that hands out the largest contract in franchise history and thinks "If we just get two good years out of him it will be worth it."

I would venture to guess that a lot of those deals $75+ are longer than 4 years. If I am signing a player in their prime and only for 4 years, I would expect to get more than we got in those 4 years.