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You don't trade Cease unless you are tearing it down to the studs. I have a hard time believing that they tear it all the way down again. Not in this division. Robert would need to go as well unless we want to be the Angels and have a mediocre team built around one superstar player with nothing to show for it. Poor Mike Trout, one playoff appearance and no playoff wins. He has three MVP's and two of them have come from last place finishing teams.

Yes, on the Rays he has been an elite bullpen arm. On everyone else, he was a useful bullpen arm. On the White Sox, he was completely useless and apparently forgot how to pitch.

This would also apply Some team will look at him on the White Sox and go "I can fix him"

Except most teams WERE able to do something with him, the exception of course was with the White Sox. 2019: 4.75 ERA (Royals) 2019: 4.43 ERA (A's) 2020: 0.42 ERA (A's) 2021: 3.86 ERA (A's) 2022: 4.23 ERA (Red Sox) 2022: 6.52 ERA (WHITE SOX) 2023: 7.94 ERA (WHITE SOX) 2023: 2.08 ERA (Rays)

I wouldn't count 2020, he had .6 WAR in 52 games it seems a safe bet he would have gone over 1 had it been a regular season. Either way, don't get me wrong here I am not trying to argue for Moncada he has been a major disappointment for someone who was supposed to be the superstar of this rebuild. All I am saying is, at least the money spent on him appears to be a wash when all said and done.

He's put up 13.3 WAR and if you go $5 million per WAR he has been worth $66.5 Million. We have paid him somewhere around $37 million so far if I am looking at it right. Next season were talking about $61 million and assume he is bought out its exactly $66 million. Seems like even if he is on the team next season and is what he is now, we will have at least gotten what we paid for. All things considered, I would still consider him a bust.

You continually see players come here and crater. Its not a one off, it happens all the time. Diekman threw 30 innings for the White Sox across two seasons and had an ERA over 7! Its an organizational issue, its happened too many times to chalk it up to dumb luck.

Nobody is going to want him unless we foot the bill, and if were going to do that we might as well keep him and hope he can regain some form of what he was in 2019 and 2021. Nothing would suck more, or be more White Sox for that matter, than paying Moncada $15-20 million to put up a 4 WAR season on someone else's team.

Seems like picking up his option and hoping hes back to the old Liam next season would make more sense than buying him out and paying him $1.5 million per year until 2033, but who knows.

Can’t wait to pay this guy $24 million next season

I would love to make trades with the Orioles. That's a deep farm.

It will depend on how many suitors there are and who they are as well. Hopefully, it lines up right for us.

Chapman is a bad human being who nobody wanted in the off-season when he could have been had for peanuts. He does not compare to a front of the rotation starting pitcher. I would expect to get more for Giolito than the Reds got for Mahle last year.

Joe Kelly has a 2.77 FIP and can either be a 1 year rental or kept for an additional year at a reasonable price for a high end bullpen arm. There should be plenty of interest.

To be fair, his 76 at bats weren't really that far off from the results of a lot of the regulars in the lineup. Like you said though, getting that control back was worth it alone.

Yeah, I agree it was ridiculous. He went down there and performed though so I wouldn't be too worried about his confidence.

Probably just cursed for firing Ricky after the 2020 season for no real reason.

Yep, had a handful of backers on here as well. Dude is worthless.

You’re right, it’s not the same situation as Rodon. The better phrasing should have been he won’t accept a QO from us if offered.

If you can trade Giolito and 1-2 of the bullpen arms that are having strong seasons with low commitments to get some help for the future while also hanging around in this terrible division I would call that an absolute win/win and also a very likely scenario. So we need to rely on Banks, Scholtens, and Toussaint to fill in rotation spots if that happens? So what, were already doing that anyways.

Why do people want to A's to stay in Oakland? Even when that team is good people still don't go to the games.

I agree with you, I wasn't trying to say you were wrong. Probably shouldn't have quoted your post and just did a stand alone.

White Sox get in a great spot to build some positive momentum against a very lousy A's team and and we have to spend two of the games with no true SP.

You cant compare this to the men's tournament. Can FDU upset Purdue? Of course. Can FDU beat Purdue in a best of 3? 5? 7? Highly unlikely. Single elimination tournaments open the door for lesser teams to advance further than they probably should. Wining a series against a superior team is much more difficult.

Any metric you look at will tell you that this team stinks. It would be a travesty to stand pat or move what little assets we have to try and polish this turd. Giolito and some of these bullpen arms have to be dealt. They wont resign Giolito, they wont offer him the QO, he cannot remain on this team past 8/1. If they are still able to somehow win tallest midget and get into the playoffs, great, enjoy that little playoff revenue. Whats best for this franchise moving forward is to get something for these guys instead of getting nothing.