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I agree, its ridiculous

Yep, we are all pissed off about it, but lets face it we aren't going anywhere.

That's the thing, the die hard will always be there. The die hards go b**** on a message board but they are still watching games, going to games, buying gear. No matter how much they b****, they aren't going anywhere. Its why they are a die hard. If the stadium was empty, or max capacity, I do believe it wouldn't change how this team was run from an ownership standpoint.

Attendance doesn't matter, in fact, the more of you who think you'll show them by not going to the games and spending money are only fueling ownership to not put a competitive product on the field and just stack the cash since no one is going.

Eeesh come on guy. I want to believe you have a source, but then you get fooled by Ben Dover twitter account.

I know, I don't want to trade them for a handful of 25 year olds

I think people forget that Tony had the team literally take a knee to run out the clock on the season and that negative momentum was obvious

Very obviously Elvis Andrus

Wonder if it has anything to do with him trading A.J. Brown and then getting absolutely embarrassed by Brown Sunday.

I meant in terms of star power and marketability, it wasn’t supposed to be a slight at Machado

Machado is just a good player, Harper is a guy that could be the face of baseball and really transformed this franchise

Its crazy to me to look at Bryce Harper's contract and wonder how more teams weren't in on this. This was a 26 year old absolute superstar, and not one year of this deal eclipsed $30 million per year. Even better, the last 3 years of the deal when he is most likely in decline or declined are only $23 million per year!

degrom is a regrettable contract Trea Turner wont turn 30 until around the all star break next season. If he is a solid player for 5 years of this contract I don't think the Phillies are going to look at their 2028 payroll and go "Damn, you know what, wish we weren't stuck with this $27 million per year albatross."

2024 Payroll Bryce Harper - $27 million per year Trea Turner - $27 million per year Yoan Moncada - $24 million per year Yowza..

Yeah, well, they'll be sorry in like 7 years when hes not that good anymore.

Wasn’t it already, pretty much, proven they made a really bad offer to Machado and didn’t even offer for Harper?

Of course they don't know what they are doing, this has been proven multiple times.

Well, again, I am not trying to justify paying Abreu $60 million dollars and putting Vaughn in the OF again or trading him. That's what I would have preferred they do, but you're right that was never going to happen. I am just saying, player to player, the team would be better with Abreu on it.

This team would be better with Jose Abreu on it. Having Vaughn at 1B and ditching Jose is not whats best for this team. Its whats best for this ownership group that refuses to push all the chips in for a contender. So yeah, you are right, with the way the front office wants to operate we could not realistically bring Jose back.

Unfortunately no, that wouldn't have worked for our budget or current roster construction. I would rather have Jose and trade Vaughn though from a personal perspective.

My post was purely about Jose Abreu's production next season, not about we should have paid him and what to do with Vaughn. Mainly because the post I quoted said Abreu would need to take steroids to out perform Vaughn next year which is pretty ridiculous.

I think he definitely hits more HR's with that 315 FT left field, as well as those liners that are going to bounce off the big wall out there for doubles. He will be better than Vaughn next year, pretty confident in that.

The Jose Abreu has declined crowd is really fascinating to me. Abreu was a 4 win player on our shitty team, what do you think hes going to do next season in the middle of that stacked Astros lineup?

For starters, its generally not good practice to let your best hitter walk. This is also a guy who our front office obviously has a ton of respect for so it would make total sense to me that they made an offer, even if it was a bad one. Vaughn played 84 games in the OF last year, if they really felt he flat out couldn't do it I think they would have pulled the plug on it. It doesn't surprise me at all if they thought they could bring Abreu back and have Vaughn rotate through 1B, DH, and LF again.

I think its safe to assume they felt they could have flipped him for prospects and quickly found out no one was interested in that so they had to take what they could get.