RibbieRubarb

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:59 PM) Take time & use Google to educate yourself in the subject. You might help your friends in the process. Well said. Might I add...The doctors who testified today stated that you would have to take 10% to 90% higher than a medicinal amount of steroids to cause an effect in ones athletic performance. Now what you might think is a low dose, in fact is an abuse of steroids. Yeah they feel great now and everything feels fine...But later in life it will take it's toll. And don't give us the crap of "If you never took them, you can't comment" Life isn't like that.

QUOTE(T R U @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:47 PM) I have never actually injected steroids.. my friends have, but I have taken other illegal substances in pill form havent ever had a problem One of first symptoms of addiction is denial.

QUOTE(T R U @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:35 PM) Unless any of you have ever used steroids.. you dont know what your talking about thats all I have to say about it That might be a nominee for Post of the Year!

QUOTE(T R U @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:31 PM) im dead serious, there should be no green there.. Well, that statement alone is enough evidence to convince me that steroid abuse effects one's mental abilities.

QUOTE(T R U @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 07:58 PM) they are making too big of a deal over steroids, steroids are cool and I would reccomend all young people looking to get bigger to take them.. I hope you meant to put that in green, and your repsonse to it also. If you are truly serious with that statement...I feel sorry for you.

QUOTE(Pauly8509CWS @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 06:59 PM) Selig said theyd turn in someone who used steroids... Didnt they have a percentage of players caught using??? WHY WERENT THEY TURNED IN?!?!?! Can anyone clear that up? I am in NO WAY defending Selig, but the question was would he hand anyone over to the authorities who was caught selling or participating in the distribution of illegal drugs. Not using steroids.

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 06:54 PM) Oh snap... "What kind of "progressive punishment" did Rose get for gambling"...??? Westmoreland came there to chew bubblegum and kick ass...and he's all out of bubblegum!

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 06:49 PM) I tivo'd it and for some reason it cut off at the players first break so I am going to do it again tonight so Jim can see it. I didn't get one thing done at work today.. LOL I have a TV Tuner on my computer in my office and cab;le running into it. So I got nothing done, too. Here's to a "Do-Nothing" Thursday!!

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 06:41 PM) Ahhh.. I LOVE it. Souder is kicking their asses also. LMAO.. this is hysterical. Manfred is a total moron. This is great TV...I Love TIVO! I'll enjoy this for years...

QUOTE(longshot7 @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 05:59 PM) But it's totally subjective - and dependent on what athlete, what drug, and the dosage. All I'm saying is that not all steroids are bad - again, not all athletes abuse steroids by taking them - did McGwire or Bonds or Canseco - I don't see them having roid rage and killing people. But again - who cares how much they did? If someone wants to inject something into their body, as long as it doesn't affect me, they should be allowed to. I'm sorry for those parents that lost their children - but to blame steroids for their deaths (which were suicides, not overdoses) is failing to take responsibility for their own shortcomings as parents. Why didn't they teach their kids different? It's like those parents in the 80's who sued Judas Priest for their kids' suicides. It's just representative of what's taking place in our society with people refusing to take responsibility for their own shortcomings. To your first point. No they haven't killed anyone or have roid rage in public. But Steroid abuse will do incredible, harmful effects to their bodies. Cancer, Liver Damage, Heart Damage...etc. But then again as you said: who cares how much they did? If someone wants to inject something into their body, as long as it doesn't affect me, they should be allowed to. I guess we should adopt this same attiyude twoard other drugs too? Heroin? Go on kids, shoot up, as long as it doesn't effect me. Crack? Knock yourselves out. I don't care, as long as you have fun! Now, you're second point: It's like those parents in the 80's who sued Judas Priest for their kids' suicides. Umm...this is a comparison without any basis. These kids committed suicide due to depression resulting from steroid withdrawl, among other side-effects from the abuse. Unlike your very poor analogy to the heavy metal/suicide debate, that had no connection to those deaths. If you really don't care, stop posting in this thread. But your statements are uninformed, heartless and rather selfish. These people are killing themselves by illegally abusing drugs in high doses and they have influenced hundreds of kids to do the same, but if they hit homeruns...you dont care, because you're entertained. :headshake

QUOTE(longshot7 @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 04:59 PM) You're right. I care about the issue - I just don't care if players are on steroids. I'm sure the parents of the kids who died because of steriod abuse would like to hear that. Some people... :headshake

Ummm...They (the medical panel) already stated that medically prescribed steroids are 10-100% lower than the dosage used by athletes to cheat. They aren't comdeming those instances. You should get your facts straight before drawing those conclusions.

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 04:54 PM) Lynch is calling Curt on his BS attitude.. Strip Curt of co-chair status FRANK THOMAS - CHAIRMAN ALL BY HIMSELF!

I have this funny image of Frank still talking to camera in Arizona thinking he is still testifying.

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 04:49 PM) He's been gone since about 15 minutes after the hearing started. He's out investigating. Part of the new job as Chairman!

Mark should just wear a f***ing sign: I won't talk about the past...next

Rep Shay called Sammy: Mr. SOSO ...on accident of course

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 01:38 PM) OMG.. Mark looks horrible!!! His face is very gaunt.

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 01:35 PM) Accroding to Davis, they could not get immunity from the Attorney General in time for these hearings Also, I believe, a committee can only hand out instant immunity if it pertains to the case at hand. Since Jose's probation is not related to this issue they had to get immunity from the Attorney General.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 01:34 PM) I don't think they are going to give it.... Jose sounds pretty nervous. Accroding to Davis, they could not get immunity from the Attorney General in time for these hearings

Give me a Break!!!! He won't even read his own statement!!

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 01:29 PM) so he can play dumb Un-Freaking-believable!!

WHY DOES SAMMY HAVE AN INTERPRETER??????

Frank Thomas Co-Chair!!

And here they come!!