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Do you think JM has played out a tie scenario in his head? As far as I can tell from your post you'd either have a fresh Garland or a moderately rested ELo going in a 9/29 playoff. I think you've got to evaluate the KC series and pick a matchup that we can seize an opportunity to align the rotation to Bart 9/29 and ELo 9/30 starts. Not necessarily sacrifice a game but pick the best possible matchup to perhaps give DW a start in order to bump Colon's start on the 27th. It's really gotta suck to be JM right now, there are so many things to consider.....which frankly scares the s*** outta me. He's never proven to me he coaches well under pressure.

If this comed down to a 1 game playoff in Minny, who do you start? Depending on the rotation, when the playoffs start, and all that other good s***, I'd try to be sure that Colon could pitch the playoff. Sure E-Lo will a 20 game winner but he's seems to be slipping a bit lately. Mark seems to be struggling with consistency and has no playoff experience. I know there are several Bart Haters on this board, just wondering who and why you would start anyone else?

Watching the NESN broadcast. They were just talking about how these 2 teams are 2 of the elite teams in baseball this season. And went on to talk about how it was "pitiful" that Koch was still in the game walking a run into score. Also had another knock on JM earlier during Wright's string of walks talking about the fact that there are only 16 games left and that once you see your starter has no control, YOU YANK HIM!!! Great to hear some announcers not on the Sox payroll talk about the STUPIDITY of JM. Obviously the majority of the blame goes to Koch and Wright, but neither of those guys can just walk off the field when they know that they don't have it tonight, it's up to JM to PUT/HAVE THE BEST TEAM ON THE FIELD!!! 10 walks by only 2 pitchers indicates that he left those 2 pitchers in the game WAY TOO LONG. I can't wait til this f***head is out the door. It's f***ing September 12th for christ's sake and this dips*** is managing like it's spring training. Let's just hope he puts in Miles, Willie, and Burke again tonight, they'll save the game!!!

Bad new from TB.... Halladay throws CG win, 5 hits with 1 unearned R

What kinda velocity did Koch register at?

Well we better score quick or we'll be seeing more of Mr. Hawkins and at that point it's all over but the cryin'.

I agree with bringing Paniagua into the game in an8-2 situation as well. I would have MUCH rather seen Koch, you know, the guy we gave up Keith Foulke for. I think that we'd paid high enough of a price to get to see the guy since his "rehab" assignment. With that said, f*** JERRY MANUEL :fyou !!!!!!! This isn't the 67th game of the season against the Detroit Tigers. This is the biggest series, and therefore the biggest game, of the season to date. As soon as the Devil Ray flunkee gives up two hits he's GOT TO BE PULLED, no questions asked. Perhaps no one was warm in the pen, I know that Marte and Gordon were warming, but I don't know at what point they started. Also, leaving Flash in against Jones was questionable at best. We have the best LHRP in the league warm in the pen and JM goes with a gut call. This guy cannot manage a pen. I was ecstatic when we got to the 9th inning thinking to myself how much of a statement this game was turning out to be. I should have known that JM would find a way to take an 8-2 lead and turn it into a momentum builder for the Twinkies. What's even worse is that tomorrow, atleast in my opinion, is the 1 game of the series, with Santana pitching, that we need to be ready for a true battle to score runs. Way to go jm, I hope we keep you around for another 5 years!!!

Is Koch even back with the team?

He wasn't running on Manny, he was running on Nomar. Nomar had the ball when Rowand was about 2 steps past 3rd. I agree, if Manny needs to throw all the way home, a SAC fly kind of deal, you send him. But you don't run on Nomar. I agree with you 100% though. Sox were far from clutch tonight and it cost us big time. With all that awful hitting though, we had a GOLDEN opportunity to STILL win the game. And there is no denying that Kimm choked when it counted.

That was an absolutely HORRIBLE call. I watched the game on ESPN2 and the ONLY thing that they said that could come positive out of Rowand being sent was the fact that could've intentionally walked Harris, setting up the DP. Hardly justification in my opinion. I was already disgusted and thoroughly surprised that the game was tied in the 9th. We played a horrible clutch game. Just when I didn't think I could get anymore pissed off, Kimm sends Rowand. My wall about had the pleasure of meeting my coffee cup.

Hell of a game by Bart. I'm just kind of wondering why 0-22 Jose was batting in the 9th and also why SAC is a non-existent stat on this team. The only guy that understood his job was the guy just called up from AAA. Ironic thing. I watched the DET series with the DET announcers. They made the comment that the Sox bats are so hot that they needed to bring one of their junkball pitchers in. I don't remember the pitcher's name, and he apparently is no good, but he throws junk. The announcers were talking about how much a change of pace from a pitcher could throw off this offense. Well, those fellas were right...Burkett is a s*** pitcher but throws good junk, and our offense went into a funk.

I can't believe this POS pitched as poorly as he did. If he wasn't up for this game because he still feels sorry for himself over the NY debacle, f*** HIM. There is absolutely no excuse for giving up 8 runs to the f***ing Tigers. No excuse for hitting a guy with bases loaded on an 0-2 count. He showed his age tonight. Temper tantrums don't win championships. I really lost a whole lot of respect for him tonight. I've always thought Buerhle was a stud, but studs don't blow games due to self pity induced lapses of concentration. :fyou

Confirmed from kcroyals.com. They gave up two minor leaguers, Brian Sanches and Chris Tierney.

Just caught wind of this on the MLB boards...haven't verified.

Does anyone know of a good website to pull team splits as far as W-L vs. sub-.500 teams, etc. I can find splits such as road, home, PreAS, PostAS, hitting and pitching stats but nothing including team W-L. Any help would be appreciated. I'm sick of having to go back through our schedule and count, lol.

Guess who I just picked up in my fantasy league....guess who I'm benching Lance Berkman for.... that's right...JOE MOTHERf***IN' CREDE!!!!!!!!!!!

The only competition he has is Hudson and Mussina. Both have comparable #'s. Mulder's ERA is too high and he will lose 10 games or more. Halladay is falling apart and already has an ERA a full point higher than Hudson.

I think it takes performances like Esteban showed us in the top of the 3rd last night. Figgins with a leadoff triple and Esteban STRANDS him at 3rd after striking out the side. How often do you see that? THAT is what makes a pitcher worthy of winning a Cy Young. He's a complete stud on the mound and it will be a true tragedy if he isn't rewarded for his inspiring pitching. I honestly shook my head in amazement after watching him work his way out of that on his own. Outstanding...highlight of the game for me.

Hurt made some kind of comment concerning his hitting at home vs on the road. He said that one of the advantages of being at home was the fact he could go down to the cage between innings and there was always someone there to throw to him, keep himself focused. So, from the sound of his quote, focus is the problem. If getting in the cage helps his hitting by re-focusing him off of his last at-bat, wouldn't/hasn't playing in the field accomplished the same thing? I think it's more than just coincidence. It's irresponsible of a manager not to exploit an advantage that has yet to be proven a fluke but has instead, over the course of his career, been proven as a rule.

The Angels announcers explained what a 6-4-3 double play was the other night and the significance of the numbers. I don't think we'll ever hear Hawk explain that. I hope we don't atleast.

I think that we need Sandy to catch as often as he can. He's a proven veteran that I think this team looks up to. He's not a great hitter but he's not scared in the clutch like Olivo. I think he definitely calls a better game and the team looks sharper when he's on the field. If I'm a pitcher who's struggling a bit, I'd much rather have a 16yr(?) veteran catcher come out and calm me down than a rookie. I've just always looked at the catcher as like the team captain, the guy in the trenches getting the hell beat out of him every night for the sake of the TEAM. Perhaps this came from watching Pudge back in the day, the Commander. I'd just like to see our present-day Commander on the field as much as possible.

I have the extra innings package this year so I've had the opportunity to listen to quite a few teams announcers. Hawk is awesome and mislabeled as a homer....I mean, he's a homer but still gives the other team credit. I remember watching a twinkies game with their announcers. Circle (jerk) me Bert Blyleven says something to the effect of, "I know I shouldn't say this, but Magglio Ordonez is an outstanding hitter". Not supposed to say that??? Just because he's on the opposing team??? Hawk on the other hand, while watching the a Twins/Sox game with Hawk and DJ, compliments several twins hitters, including his buddy AJ Pierzynski SEVERAL times. He appreciates good players, bottom line. Other announcers I've enjoyed were Steve Lyons and his counterpart out in AZ, the TB announcers, Baltimore announcers. The worst are Minny, Anaheim (i think one of them is gay, always talking about players looks and physical builds, lol), Seattle, and last but certainly not least, Chimp Carey.

3rd base side will be the Sox dugout. It's a nice stadium, friendly fans, and cheap. That's closest place for me to catch the Sox so I try to go when I can.

These f***ers defnitely don't quit...like lil puppy dogs or something...grrrr