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QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 09:22 AM) Essentially Guillen does not want to have a guy that when they play those 12 games in the NL park, they are unavaialble. What Guillen wants are platoon type guys that he can use for certain matchups. This works well in this division as I have seen enough of the Cy Youngification of s*** pitchers. I think something is going to happen and it is going to be related to John Danks and his contract situation. ...or they could just hold on to one of the best young pitchers in baseball and sign one of the many DH types on the market.

QUOTE (SEALgep @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 11:52 AM) Both are talented, they have different games. Talented enough to play MLB? Yes. One is talented enough to be a perennial .900 OPS guy with a few 1.000 OPS years mixed in. The other is talented enough to be a great defensive CF with good speed and a mediocre bat. There's a big difference.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 10:16 AM) What I'm comparing is the fact that they both started their MLB careers as a 4th outfielder for an organization in which they had minor league success and then initially had some struggles in MLB. They both were blocked at the major league level. Quentin went on to flourish with another club when he played every day. Gardner may very well do the same. He's not gonna get a full time opportunity for NY. Your analogy ignores the gulf of talent disparity.

DA, you are also dismissing the defensive impact Gardner would have on our lineup. Having a solid defensive outfield would make our good pitching staff even better.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 06:52 AM) I said offensively. IMO Getz has as much OBP potential as Gardner. Getz got slammed around here. People said he had no power, wasn't exactly young for a rookie and wouldn't get better. You can say the exact same thing about Gardner. If he is such a stud waiting to happen, why are the Yankees, a team cutting payroll, bringing in expensive pieces to play in front of him? He's not an everyday player. He wouldn't be a bad guy to have off the bench, but leading off every day will make the fire Greg Walker threads grow. Christ. Getz played garbage defense and had no range. No one is saying he's a stud waiting to happen. People think he's a decent player who can fill out the outfield and play good defense with decent offensive production.

Kalapse, good work in this thread. We shouldn't be pissing our pants about Rios moving to RF, as it would drastically improve our defense by keeping the club-footed CQ in left. Gardner would be a good addition if his defense matches the fans' projections on Fangraphs.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 9, 2009 -> 02:33 PM) I agree with you, BABIP over the years can be useful, but you need to include other stats. The post that is being referenced only talked about Quentins BABIP in the Current Year vs the Prior Year. No where did it take into account line drive percentages, contact percentages, etc. Therefor, I thought it was a pretty poor argument to just say its bad luck because his BABIP changed year over year. That is about as valid of an argument as me throwing out two years worth of batting averages and attributing the change in average to bad luck. I think the stat is very meaningful (despite me mis-typing it) as a tool for analysis, but the true meaning behind the stat comes from the underlying stats (ie, line-drive rate, contact rate, etc). Fair enough. I agree.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 9, 2009 -> 12:08 PM) Comparing current BAPIP with past BAPIP is completely worthless. That's some awe-inspiring hyperbole. And if you're going to label something completely worthless and malign it to such a degree, you may want to get its name right. Again, simply comparing Carlos' BABIP data from two separate seasons is insufficient analysis, but including batted ball rates and (at times) contact percentages will give you a rough idea of how unlucky Carlos was. I think his poor season can probably be attributed to injury, as I was just campaigning for BABIP as a useful tool of analysis. Which it absolutely is, and tests have proven this time after time. It should be used with a great deal of caution, and with other things in mind (like contact/batted ball rates/injury/scouting), but it certainly has utility. It's not the end all be all metric, but this argument shouldn't be black and white. I do think we can have a discussion without it devolving into "anyone with have (sic) a brain" sorts of insults. I fancy my brain quite a bit, and I think a player's statistical fluctuation may be attributed to luck from time to time. Do I believe that's the case with Carlos? A layman's/preliminary analysis of his batted ball rates tell me that it may have contributed to his poor performance. I also believe his injury didn't help. Ok. And I believe it may have. This doesn't have to be a black and white, you don't have "have (sic) a brain" argument. We can discuss it.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 9, 2009 -> 06:38 AM) Soooooo, how bout that Quentin for Crawford rumor Bunk, presumably. This team does not need to make lateral moves. I see KW closing in on Putz as a sign that they may move Jenks for an outfielder. Happy day, if true.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 07:12 PM) You really could've sounded about 3 or 4 shades less condescending, but in any case I really kind of addressed that when I said "I can't post the full rant I usually do about BABIP" so I thought the reason for the lack of semantics was going to be self-evident. Oh and... for the record, yes people look at BABIP in isolation all the time, in this thread, even. Well post the full rant. Find it and paste it. I'm intrigued. Honestly. Said poster also followed up by listing Carlos' past BABIP data.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 01:47 PM) umm wtf are you talking about, please read the thread first before making a comment like this I read the thread. I didn't see anyone claim BABIP was a relevant statistic on its own. In fact, I've never seen a SABR guy/girl simply throw BABIP out there without batted ball rates or something similar. No one simply looks at BABIP in isolation. You said you didn't believe in its utility, but then stated that you only have a problem with it in isolation. You are failing to understand how BABIP is used -- as it is always coupled with batted ball rates and past BABIP data.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 11:59 AM) That's what I'm saying. I don't really think anyone is arguing that BABIP is a good statistic in isolation. Don't make up an argument to dispute.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 29, 2009 -> 09:11 PM) Not really. Stunting a guy like Hudson could mean the next Andy Sisco. It would have been interesting to see what happened to him had he not been a rule V pick and allowed to throw 150 IP a year as a minor league starter. Or easing him into MLB could mean the next Mark Buehrle or Adam Wainwright.

QUOTE (almagest @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 06:55 PM) What else is there to talk about? This also has a verified source. It's not just idle speculation. What do you mean by verified?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:32 PM) You are assuming that LAA is in this deal primarily for Konerko. On the contrary, I'd be they are in it to get the right spect or two, and Konerko is a nice 1B/DH fill, as a secondary desired piece. Define nice. 34 year old first baseman with 3-year OPS splits of .841/.783/.842 aren't worth $12 million -- probably not even two-thirds that. And I don't see the Sox sending money anyone's way. That would have to be one hell of a prospect. I'm assuming that the Angels aren't going to help another AL team get markedly better while bogging down their payroll.