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QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 22, 2009 -> 11:16 PM) How ironic. Why is that ironic? I broke it down about as far as it could possibly be broken down, with one word. It's all about money. That money is in MLB, not in the WBC, in fact the WBC potentially undermines MLB's bottom line. Therefore MLB is king of everything. I may sound like a cynic, but really it is that simple.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 24, 2009 -> 11:40 PM) In a single season I would agree. Any pitcher can have a lucky season, just ask Steve Stone a mediocre pitcher with one great Cy Young season. Any pitcher can also have a hard luck season where they lose a number of 1-0 or 2-1 games. This is why I think that wins and "intangible things play a role just as the numbers do. The smart GM or fan even should combine both of the "scout view" and number. I think Schilling may be a bad example because he was such an ass that players tried to lose for him. I'm just kidding but he's right up there with Bonds, Sheffield and Clemens in attitude and personality with Sheffield slightly edging the others. Probably a bad example, but those 3 are also HOFers too. JMO.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 21, 2009 -> 03:34 PM) But... those more hidden factors, not easily reflected in peripheral stats, do indeed translate to more wins, all else equal. Wins for a pitcher are not a great stat for evaluation, but they are also not quite completely meaningless. Sometimes, if its consistent, it can indicate something about that pitcher's make-up. You just need to get a better idea of context to judge. I would concede that wins, over the course of a career, do have some value. I can't think of any s***ty pitchers that have 300 wins for example. At the same time, you have guys like Schilling who pitch their ass off, but lose a lot of games 2-1 because their team blows. Which probably hurts their chances at the Hall (and I think Schilling is a HOF pitcher, he has been straight $$ in the postseason and has great career numbers, except wins). But for a single season, I think it's entirely fair to say wins are a completely worthless stat and don't tell you anything because there are variables that can swing it too far in either direction. A really good pitcher can get 11 wins, a really mediocre one can get 18 wins.

Obama said whenever the stimulus passes they're going to set up a site called www.recovery.gov to show where the government spending is going. Sounds like a good idea, but I still agree with the Republicans in that there is a whole lot of wasted money being proposed in the Democratic version.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 24, 2009 -> 10:50 PM) haha, you could've at least switched up some words man. Original thread title and source of plagiarism: Attention anyone who has facebook Log in... Go to settings, language and select english: pirate. Then come back here and tell me how awesome I am for telling you about it. I switched up the words but not enough. lol.

So I heard that Ben Gordon got fined by Del Negro for being late to a flight, and then proceeded to curse Del Negro out. Awesome. Just the kind of atmosphere I like to see on my team.

So I just found a Facebook group called Eminem or Lil' Wayne. I asked if the question was serious and then suggested I start a group called "1997 Chicago Bulls or 2008 New York Knicks" because the answer to the question was really that easy. Eminem doesn't sound as if he is mildly retarded and has asthma when he raps.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 24, 2009 -> 07:11 PM) Dear lostfan, Plagiarism. Best, dear friend bmags Does that mean I automatically fail this post? Although BATW doesn't post here.

Go to Settings, go to language/translation/whatever it's called, and change it to English (Pirate). You can thank me later.

Anyway Bonds's numbers with the PED enhancements just simply DESTROY that of any other player short of maybe Babe Ruth to include the better early career numbers of Bonds himself, and although I don't have B-R up at the moment, I'm pretty sure even Ruth's best season isn't even comparable to Bonds's. Griffey never had any spike in performance like that except for the time where he hit 56 homers a couple of years in a row. Instead, even though he stayed pretty well above average as a player, his career numbers started actually going down gradually and his "prime" ended early because he got hurt so much. Even still, if he hadn't spent so much time on the DL and maintained that level of performance, he'd be somewhere around the # of HRs Bonds currently has. And if you put that obvious spike in Griffey's later career numbers and have him looking like the Incredible Hulk, I'm pretty confident he'd have over 800 career HRs now, easily. My whole point, and the reason I even brought Griffey into this in the first place, is to say that if you take away the period of just plain ludicrous numbers from Bonds's stat sheet, his career would have been similar to Griffey's and he'd be of the better players to ever play. IMO he probably will make it to the Hall based on that eventually because unlike, say, McGwire, there is no question of how good of a player he was.

QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Jan 24, 2009 -> 01:40 PM) I think its laughable that people actually think Griffey didn't use PED. Silence thy tongue o ye blasphemer lest you face retribution from the divine God of Gods.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Jan 24, 2009 -> 01:50 PM) Yeah, those are really unpopular shows. :rolly I'm a fan of Steven Seagal. I only said that because there's a bunch of people on this site that hate those shows. And it's like that at work, too.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jan 23, 2009 -> 07:41 PM) Even for you, that's a little over the top. I'm pretty sure that was heavy sarcasm?

Hi, Jack!

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 23, 2009 -> 07:02 PM) Well, when you say that all of Bond's numbers are inflated because of PED's, it's just not true. You're essentially saying his OBP in 1994 was because of steroids. No I'm not, I'm talking about his OBPs from the first part of this decade that were consistently in the 500s and 600s when pitchers were terrified of him because he would hit anything close to the strike zone 700 feet and then eat their first-born child while rounding the bases.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 23, 2009 -> 06:54 PM) He was leading off with PITT, yes, but he was also driving in 100+ and hitting 30+ HR's. Then he went o SF and hit 5th for 2 years and then 3rd. Yes, yes I know. edit: Before I reply to any more posts like this, do people really think I'm saying Bonds was not a legit all-time power hitter or something pre-roids?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 23, 2009 -> 06:49 PM) Ken Griffey Jr. must have the greatest publicist in history, as it's amazing he's never been questioned about PED use. With all the freak tendon injuries he had and just unheard of home run totals, he's someone who I don't believe you can say was 100 pct clean. I didn't think I was going to have to qualify this statement or state the reasoning again that I assumed was common knowledge but obviously nobody is 100% free of suspicion.

Paris Hilton is not hot to me and I've always thought Britney Spears was moderately hot, but severely overrated. In fact I can say with a fair amount of confidence that I've been with girls that are at least as attractive as she is.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 23, 2009 -> 06:33 PM) His OBP before all the steroid crap was still anywhere from .400 to .460. Yeah I know, at that point Bonds was a leadoff hitter IIRC and Griffey was a #3 hitter. I'm just saying if Griffey's #'s had been steroid-inflated he would have these video game-esque OBPs that Bonds was putting up too.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jan 23, 2009 -> 03:38 PM) Exactly, very similar. Bonds would actually have a slight edge in all likelihood. Griffey was a better defender, Bonds was a better baserunner.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jan 23, 2009 -> 04:30 PM) He might have the homers, but his patience is nothing near Bonds level. His stats wouldn't be close to Bonds' IMO. It's easy to be patient when the pitchers are throwing you nothing but trash because they know you're slugging in the 700s (thanks to the PEDs) and they're just terrified of you.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 16, 2009 -> 12:25 PM) This photo will be hanging all over the country for the next 4 8 years. So, at work, this picture is now the first one in the row of chain of command pictures, I just noticed today. It didn't occur to me to look until this morning, it was probably changed Tuesday. It's gonna take some getting used to because due to the fact that I basically joined the Army at the start of the Bush administration - and have since gotten out - I have literally never seen anyone else in that space besides Bush. It just looks so different. Almost jarring, even.

I'm honestly starting to like this guy. How can you not?

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jan 23, 2009 -> 03:25 PM) Oh I completely agree, but I just wish we could have seen what Bonds would have done had he never touched steroids. He obviously would have never hit 73 home runs or broke the all time home run record, but he'd still be a guy with 600 something home runs in all likelihood to go with all of the walks, steals, gold gloves, and MVP's. He cheated himself using the stuff because he didn't need it. His career would be comparable to Griffey's.

He still will be a Hall of Famer, when it comes down to it there's no reason for him not to be.