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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 11:55 AM) It's a nice idea, but when I was in college, I was working a lot just to support myself and afford books (and the binge drinking)... 100 hours of community service when you're already paying for the schooling seems like a joke. This 100 hours would be for helping to pay for the school, not as some kind of graduation requirement.

QUOTE (Disco72 @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 11:44 AM) Yes, we agree that the polls were accurate and thus, there was no noticeable Bradley Effect in this election. Like Tex, I was trying to clarify what the Bradley Effect actually is since it seems to be misreported or misunderstood by many people (not necessarily you lostfan). I probably did misunderstand because it kept getting repeated over and over and eventually I forgot what it actually meant.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 11:23 AM) If people are healthy and able to work, why not? They would then feel they were contributing members of society instead of just being catagorized as leeches. I know this is not what you're saying, but there are people like my dad who work their asses off and are still poor, which is why the use of the word "handout" all the time bothers me. Now, my dad isn't poor and neither am I, but it took a LONG time to change that. My parents still couldn't afford to send me to college.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 11:25 AM) Would it really be an "option" for those who struggle to afford college? To me it would be optional in the same idea that loans were "optional". My other option was no college and a crappy job. I had options coming out of high school. I chose the military so now I take substantial benefits. This is the same concept on a smaller scale methinks.

lol, that's hilarious. Normally I'd go on some rant about how she's making other people look bad but she deserves it. Hopefully they tasered her.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 10:35 AM) wait, "calling on" isnt slave labor? oh might wanna tell Alpha that. I mean just trying to inspire people to do it and provide incentives. Mandatory community service in school is a step further. Whether it's a good idea or not is debatable (personally I don't like it but it's because I was also one of those lazy self-centered people at that age).

I never had to do community service in high school and I'm glad I didn't. I volunteer now, though. I like the concept of "calling on" Americans to do things though. No problems with that at all.

Maybe we're really saying the same thing. In any case what I'm trying to say is that the most accurate polling model from this election cycle (538) was as close to dead-on as polls are ever going to get, and there was no Bradley Effect, or anything else. If anything, that "social desirability" translated into actual votes.

Tex, you're really twisting the logic into knots here and getting far, far away from what the original definition is. The Bradley Effect doesn't account for the opinions of the vast majority of non-racist McCain voters because it's assumed they are reporting their votes accurately to the pollsters. The theory suggests that people are secretly racist and lying about claiming they are voting for the black candidate when they know they won't, nothing more. When you add other factors into it then it just dies along with all the other statistical factors. In the states where it's believed race (where it would hurt Obama) was a factor, the polls were accurate.

I found out my wife, the Obama fanatic, already sent Rep. Sarbanes a letter. I told her I doubted we'd get tickets though unless we were party loyalists, campaign volunteers, or somehow knew Obama personally.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 09:02 PM) Unfortunately all I know is what she told me in that paragraph. Hopefully I'll get more info in the coming days and weeks. And if you do please share. I will, if it turns out that I can go we and whoever else from this site that's there should try to coordinate something.

So you're saying I can just get on the train and go to the crowd?

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 08:52 PM) Rumor is Obama wants to make it as open as possible. We're gonna be talking hundreds of thousands of people though.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 08:51 PM) Also, when is it? Obviously the 20th, but what time? Is it pretty standard? Usually noon isn't it?

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 08:19 PM) In the same article where people saw Summers, it mentioned Geithner. Geithner is fairly young, no? I don't know much about him.

I recall a discussion on here several months back about attending the inauguration ceremony. I remember someone saying they'd been, I think it was 2K5? Can anyone tell me anything about it? Specifically, the process of actually being there. It's going to be a historic event, and I live 45 minutes away from downtown DC (in good traffic - the actual distance I live is about the distance from downtown Chicago to, say, Glenwood), so I'm in a unique position to be able to go. But all I know is that to get tickets to go to the actual thing, you have to get them from your local representative, in my case, John Sarbanes. That's not going to happen so I won't even bother, it's not like I'm trying to be close enough so I can see Obama's breath in the air. So if I want to go, can I just show up at the Mall and be there in the crowd? Or what? Also, is anyone else going to try and go?

A friend of mine who, well, let's say is in a better position to know certain things even compared to people on this site suggested NY Fed President Tim Geithner as Treasury Secretary. He thinks that's a better choice than Jamie Dimon.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 05:43 PM) LINK Translation: "I realize I f***ed up sooooooooooooo bad and wish I could undo what I said"

QUOTE (LosMediasBlancas @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 01:24 PM) * A subordinate group whose members have significantly less control or power over their lives than members of a dominant or majority group. Not limited to mathematical minority: example women, Blacks in South Africa... Yeah, this too.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 05:36 PM) Then we should call it a 'center' country and get rid of the 'right' part of the equation. Compared to Europe we are center right, most Democrats would be considered conservative there.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 05:37 PM) Are you serious? In that video above.

My little brother's really hurt! Was he an Obama supporter or a McCain supporter? What does that matter? I need to know if he partied too hard, or if he tried to kill himself!

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 04:51 PM) You are probably right, and realistically that is very close to the description of how I am politically. Maybe I'm just being negative since I never expect to see a candidate that represents my values. I am that way too... socially liberal (or liberatarian, however you want to define it), fiscally conservative and generally in favor of smaller government and free market policies. But I'm usually more willing to compromise for the latter against the former... I will not vote for someone who, for example, openly supports things like Proposition 8, and I'm also turned off by hawkish rhetoric even though I'm not a pacifist. Which usually pushes me a lttle to the left. I'm sure the GOP is aware of all the voters like us, there are a few on this board even, but they can't do anything about it b/c the social conservatives have so much influence.

QUOTE (Controlled Chaos @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 04:17 PM) Friends By White Sox Association Gotcha.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 04:11 PM) I agree with Jindal. But he might be a little too far right for people to stomach. Especially if Obama does well in his first 2-3 years. Socially, maybe. That's kind of what did him in in this election. But he seemed to be a rising star in the GOP, and regardless of his policies he is really a reasonable, moderate guy.