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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 06:20 PM) Palin Troopergate emails released. What is the MSNBC headline? Palin unlikely to meet 'Troopergate' investigator http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26727937/ The front page of Yahoo says "GOP lawmakers sue to stop inquiry into Palin's 'Troopergate'"

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 05:10 PM) The question is...are those tens of billions of dollars a year the best way to spend the government's energy related investment dollars? Anyone who acts like they are 100% sure of the answer there is lying. edit: anything is better than "drill baby drill" though.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 03:02 PM) this is way tooo funny. Please read this. i've never laughed harder at print in my life. http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2008/09/22/...currentPage=all That was awesome, especially if you can see the message it's making fun of.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 03:30 PM) That's about $14B a year. Not too shabby. Yeah, I was going to say the same. I don't think there's any way to avoid spending money there.

Haha Alpha. That was pretty good.

If that book is what I think it is, then it actually is a book full of lies.

Of all the major issues (disregard all of the other sideshow bulls***), where are you on the political spectrum - which ones are left and which ones are right? Where are you on foreign policy? Where are you on the wars? (I honestly have come to the conclusion that there isn't nearly as much difference between Obama and McCain as they are playing it out to be, that's what campaigns do though Where are you on the economy and taxes? On education? The Constitution? Social issues, or the lack thereof? Between the two candidates, is there anything they say about their intentions that you accept at face value? Do you agree with it - for example, do you believe McCain when he says the Republicans have done a poor job, and he'll bring the Republican party back to what it believes?

lol, that's hilarious.

McCain knew that was a bad word choice and immediately stopped saying it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 01:27 PM) The irony is that you can change economist to envoirnmentalist in that article, and it would be pretty much the samething. Its a fluff piece with no real meat to it. People tend to believe the people they agree with. Nothing new there, no matter how witty it is written. He kind of said that in the article. Science is different, though. It's a lot more black and white, and there's generally more observable evidence and data. If you want to disprove something, you can try, but it has to be thorough.

Heh. That's pretty close to my view. This is why I start tuning out when people try to explain complex economic theories to me. There seems to be a counter/corrolary to everything.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 07:36 AM) How dare you criticize her, you misogynist pig! Some Obama supporters pull the race card, but not nearly to the level that McCain's campaign is pulling the POW/ Sexism card. I've really lost almost all respect for him. It's all the brainchild of his campaign advisors. Granted, McCain approves all this stuff, in theory. But I don't see that there's any way for him to separate himself from that, although some of his recent ads have really been pretty overboard e.g. Obama wants to teach kindergardeners about sex.

That was the dumbest play I've ever seen... I was thinking about Hester's lame attempt to fool the Colts getting tackled on the 3, but yeah, this was easily worse.

QUOTE (chiguy79 @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 08:07 PM) I am going to fire up the grill this is making me angry. For a minute there I thought you said Grilli. I mean, we are sitting here talking about s***ty RPs. /shrug

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 08:30 PM) I got it a little from the phone, but I remember you saying it somewhere else in here before. Oh, probably trying to make a point in the Jeremiah Wright thread and giving bona fides that I know how the black community thinks.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 07:19 PM) Ya, ive only brought it up when it was relevant. I dont think it has anything to do with the election at this point. I can see how people bring race up for obvious reasons but I think the actual amount of people that arent going to vote for Obama strictly because he is black shouldnt be too high and vice versa. I do think that there might be a few independent women willing to vote for McCain strictly because of Palin, its just the world we live in. I believe that, for the most part, higher black turnout or people voting for him based on his race is mitigated by the honest-to-god racists, with a slightly larger "voting against" crowd.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 07:13 PM) So NSS would have me believe that Joe was speaking in North Carolina, an important state for Obama, and he wasn't "endorsing Obama in any way'? That in itself is ludicrous. I guess Joe was just speaking to hear himself talk? (actually, that IS a possibility, but not likely) And here is where the writer of this piece does the readers a disservice. There is information missing. Look at these lines together: I am not saying that Joe says 'Vote Obama, just because he is black'. But by bringing that up as another reason to vot efor him is wrong. He is in effect saying, 'vote Obama because policy A, policy B, and because it would be a transofrmative event (because he is black).' Lost, I know you are black. I am slightly suprised you couldn't tell I was white from our phone conversation! I sometimes slip into my country accent at wierd times. I bring up race because I, as a person that usually votes Republican, am constantly being accused of being a racist or stupid by leftwing pundits, commentators and the like because i dare to question Obama's stance on anything. Both you and NSS are two people on the other side of the political aisle whose posts i generally respect. But if you guys don't see that Biden is essentially saying yeah, it's ok, vote for Obama because he is black, then on that issue i am done. Maybe I should bring up in that same article how Joe says Obama will appoint judges to ensure women get equa, pay for equal work? How's he going to do that when he doesn't even pay his women staffers the same as his male ones? http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/3787...ckonline12.html Actually, I'm surprised you could tell I was black by the phone, if that's how you knew. I sound like a suburban white boy when I talk. They used to make fun of me in high school but I'm pretty sure I make more money than any of them now. Ability to speak proper English comes in handy during a job interview. I actually don't completely disagree with you, because all along I've believed that the best thing for Obama is to not acknowledge his race at all except when it's completely obvious. I didn't like when he said the "oh by the way did I mention he was black" even though I knew where he was going with it, and I'm disappointed in Biden brought it up at all. He's trying to drum up the black turnout, but he doesn't really need to do that, black people (the ones that vote Democrat anyway) are ecstatic as it is. But as far as what he actually said, the fact that he pointed out, I don't see any harm in that because it's the truth.

Is there any room left on the "I hate Nick Swisher" bandwagon? I've resisted for a long time but I don't think I can anymore. He's going to single-handedly make me stop believing in sabermetric theories.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 06:38 PM) To each their own. Honestly, I don't see why you guys get so worked up when someone cites bias. It's interesting you claim posters here use absurd examples when you think we are on a McCarthy like witch hunt. Pot Kettle Black I suppose. I don't even disagree with you nearly as much as you think I do.

Jay Mariotti never goes away... like herpes.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 06:14 PM) Nowhere in that article is Biden saying to vote for Obama because he is black. If this is the kind of reaction that is generated regardless of how he puts it, maybe he should. Get his money's worth at least.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 06:01 PM) I thought it was the Republicans who were the ones always bringing up race? Ok, I'll bite. I'm about to oversimplify this, but we're already in that territory so I guess I have no choice. I'm black (mixed race actually but for the sake of this discussion I'll be black). Odds are about 95% that I'll be voting for Obama come November with the remaining 5% split between McCain and a third party candidate. Has nothing to do with his race - it's a conclusion I came to on my own. You're white (I'm assuming), virtually no chance you'll be voting for Obama and it also has nothing to do with his race, it's because you're a Republican and there's no reason for you to vote for a liberal. Of the two of us, who has brought up race more often? (By the way, the only time I can recall doing it was in the Jeremiah Wright thread when that's what the conversation was about, the one time I got into it with Drunk Bomber, and to disagree at times when you say "race card is being played for X reason".)

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 05:36 PM) It sure would be sad... if that's what he said. He of course said nothing of the like. Yeah... I mean... not even close, actually. What's untrue about that statement? If Obama gets elected it will be something my great-grandkids talk about in social studies class. I figured that by now this was almost universally agreed upon. However, he should've avoided mentioning it altogether like Obama has mostly been doing, because he should know by now that people are acting like Chicken Littles about anything having to do with Obama's race.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 05:58 PM) Alex Smith will almost certainly be available this offseason. The 9ers aren't going to bring him back for $10 million next year when he'd have to earn the starting spot in camp. Holy s***, no. That would be even worse than the equivalent of signing Darin Erstad - because Erstad was at least good before.

QUOTE (longshot7 @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 03:47 PM) Who is RSO? Rock Star Obama = Kap's way of referring to him.