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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 14, 2008 -> 10:30 AM) For those that found Clinton's win impressive yesterday: Didn't she win by a pretty big margin in OK? I find it amusing that NY isn't on that list though, lol.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 14, 2008 -> 09:42 AM) I'm not so sure. A lot of the people in Afghanistan, who are imported to do bad works, are probably from neighboring countries - Iran, Pakistan, the little Stans... and those are not Arabic speaking countries. Add that to the locals, and you probably have a large majority who speak something other than Arabic. Obama still has the right general idea although he has the semantics and details wrong. Over-emphasis on one leads to neglect on the other.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ May 14, 2008 -> 10:16 AM) Nick Swisher, Jim Thome and Paul Konerko are shells of the players they used to be. Come on now. Nick Swisher has sucked for like 3 weeks. The guy's not even close to 30 yet.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 14, 2008 -> 10:20 AM) Lose one night, its the pitching, next night its the offense. Maybe you guys should blame it on the air quality or something that works both ways. Lack of pitching is not the reason this team is a .500 squad at best right now. At all. Period. Anyone who says that at this point in time is simply overreacting.

Swisher did not swing at any of those three strikes.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 14, 2008 -> 12:08 AM) Dotel!! Great sequence on Vlad. Heh... all fastballs, the entire inning, then K's him on a breaking ball. I was starting to wonder if he even remembered he could do that.

Damn, Dotel has thrown one pitch that's not a fastball so far.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 13, 2008 -> 11:52 PM) Yay for giving up 0-2 hits!!!! Danks gets the benefit of the doubt. He's pretty much the ONLY reason this is even still a game (which I'm not sure why I'm still watching).

QUOTE (mr_genius @ May 13, 2008 -> 10:35 PM) Dems are taking long time GOP seats. GW totally screwed the Republicans for a bit, I foresee a 60 seat Dem majority in the Senate coming soon. The Dems are fully capable of f***ing it up. However if they realize this isn't about them they might hold the majority for a while.

Wow we're seeing a lot of 3-2 counts.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:55 PM) Absolutely...Ozzie showed yesterday he's not going to walk Vlad early on. And if he does walk him, then you have them loaded for Hunter. I thought you were being sarcastic. That's like the equivalent of having Quentin bunt. It's kind of a waste of an at-bat.

QUOTE (G&T @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:55 PM) He said that with Aybar batting. Oh that is thoroughly different. I was about to say.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 13, 2008 -> 10:51 PM) Nice effort by Danks, no clue why Angels weren't bunting. You'd bunt with Vlad batting?

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:47 PM) You forget, he is throwing the changeup. The pitch that hawks says looks like a fastball, but slower. I love that explanation. Well you know, the curveball moves at about the same speed as one of those changeups except it curves.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:43 PM) Anytime we want to move OClayton out of the leadoff spot, that would be fine. In favor of who though?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:40 PM) Unless by "roller coaster" we are talking about a roller coaster that jumps off of the track and crashes into homeless orphans.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:27 PM) I remember a well respected black politician from SC say that he wasnt "blatant" about what he said in some cases. but there was a "code" he used that people from that area knew, even if a white northerner like I didnt know it. I always thought that quote was attributed to Lincoln. I thought it was like a Chinese proverb or something. I need to read more. But yeah all the black people I know (which is a lot) who are politically active said they had no problems with Hillary at all, and a lot of them were thinking about voting for her until either SC or until it became obvious she was on her way down and started getting dirty to keep her campaign afloat, and lost a lot of respect for her. There are obviously blacks out there who vote for Obama because he's black but that's a small number nowhere near 90%, and the rest you can just chalk up to everyone around them being Obama supporters and jumping on the bandwagon.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:24 PM) Ok, i have to tell this story real fast. My family (My parents and my wife and I) is very active in our Lutheran Church. Heck, i work for the church. One Sunday, my parents were running a booth in our lobby and my grandpa was with them. Now, we have an Indian family (from india) in our congregation. They are 5th generation Lutherans from India. They walk into church and my grandpa looked at my dad and said "you have Indians who go to church here?" ugh. oh well. I'm assuming your church is mostly white, and he was just surprised to see a non-white family there? Doesn't really seem overtly racist, just kind of tactless.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:20 PM) SC was a blessing and curse to Obama. It partially marginalized him as "the black candidate" to some Americans, but it galvanized the black community which has, with out a doubt, boosted him to where he is today. Bill just like... kept talking. He was worse than Rev. Wright. "Obama played the race card on me in SC." lol, everybody of any race can see what he was doing there. It got to the point where it was funny. Like the old saying goes "it's better to be silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:18 PM) Agreed. Like i said in the other thread, I think we are just working with a different definition which is ok. I agree with everything you just said. Racism makes me cringe especially when it comes from one of my family members (specifically my grandpa. that's a whole other story for another time) I love my grandma to death but she is exactly the same as Obama's grandmother he was talking about in his speech. Of course she loves me unconditionally, and my mom too, but some things she says make me cringe. I just pretend like I didn't hear or otherwise just don't challenge her.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:15 PM) In all seriousness, it is one of the big reasons I turned down job offers in the area where I went to college. I couldn't stand the ignorance directed towards people who weren't lilly white. I don't care who you are on the outside. I care who you are on the inside. If Barack Obama were echoing my values, I'd vote for the guy. Hell I spearheaded trying to get a black woman elected to our local City Council because I believed she would do the best job. (I don't know if I needed to say any of that, but I didn't want to come off wrong... Sometimes it is hard to see a persons intentions in an arguement on the internet.) No, I'm with you. I'm still in the process of trying to find common ground though.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:11 PM) That's my point exact. Racism doesn't have to be "anti" anything. Racism can also be when you exclude all others for your "pro". Blacks aren't excluding... see the black vote (which votes as a pretty solid bloc most of the time) was split between Obama and Hillary before SC. Bill opened his mouth and that changed everything.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:03 PM) Has anyone actually asked this question? Seriously I would like to know. No one seems to question that more whites are willing to vote for a black man, than blacks are willing to vote for a white woman. I am curious why in that case as well. Heck, could that be sexism at play as well? Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is right that people won't vote for Obama because he is black. In this day and age it pisses me off. We should be past that as a nation, but we aren't. But in my eyes, it is no different that people vote FOR someone because of their race. Nationally why aren't we having this discussion. I swear if we could honestly ask things like this, without being labeled as a racist, maybe we would get past some of the igornant sterotypes that reinforce racism here in the first place. The more lines we draw as a nation, the more divided we stay. Here? On this board? I don't know. Probably not. I only started posting here recently. But elsewhere? Oh yes. All the time. I keep seeing the question and it makes me want to throw things. In so many words the question makes the assumption that I'm a racist if I support Obama which in my mind borders on mildly retarded, and it honestly makes me mad. In order to find out the root of things the completely wrong approach is to label the historically disadvantaged group as "racist" for whatever reason (see my earlier conversations with Drunk Bomber that probably played a big part in the rules here being changed). That's one of the reasons I can't listen to conservative talk radio. I started to answer the question in the other thread though so I won't repeat it here so I can try and keep the discussion in the same place. BTW I'm not calling you a racist.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:02 PM) right. Affirmative action is extreme, but it's the closest simple explanation I could think of in 10 seconds. I mean I'm not going to act like race plays no factor at all, of course it does. But it's mostly superficial and subconscious, and it certainly isn't out of a disdain for whites. To pretend it's not a direct result of past history in which every single presidential candidate has been a white male and there has never been a credible black candidate before, not even one, is oversimplification. And to jump to the conclusion that strong black support for a black candidate they like (as opposed to one they don't like, hell Michael Steele didn't win here in Maryland) is racism, I see that as both blissfully ignorant (it's easier to just say that than it is to actually think any deeper than what you see) and to be honest mind-numbingly offensive.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:00 PM) Voting against a race = racism Voting FOR a race = affirmative action. That is my take and i am sticking to it. It's not that either but it's a lot closer.