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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 5, 2008 -> 12:25 PM) I wonder if the Democrats are beginning to regret not voting guilty for impeachment of Clinton when they had the chance? Think about it. Then VP Gore would have had the luxuries of being in office for that period of time, and would have been able to run for President from the strength of the White House, instead of ducking the 800 pound gorilla in the room of Bill Clinton. If Clinton is found guilty there is no way that Hillary could run with that stigma on her head. Ah the law of unintended consequences. If Hillary doesn't have the stigma on her head now for that, and any of the other shadiness she's been into, then I can't see how her husband being removed from office would've made a difference. It's not like people don't know what happened. The American public has a really short memory. If it happened more than 5 years ago it pretty much didn't happen. Unless it's something that they didn't know about before, they have to make their obligatory big deal about it (Ayers, etc.)

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ May 5, 2008 -> 12:25 PM) So are you comparing video games to child porn? Well, it's not like we are talking about Mario Bros. subject matter here. This is Grand Theft Auto.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 5, 2008 -> 11:53 AM) And the level of hype normally coincides with the position at which said player is drafted. By that standard though, McNown was expected to be the savior/franchise QB. And therefore had a lot of hype, it doesn't matter if he was drafted in the bottom 3rd of the first round or first overall (btw the #1 for that draft was Tim Couch who isn't doing too much these days either). Actually that draft was hyped up to be the deepest draft for QBs since 1983 and the only one who was worth mentioning was Donovan McNabb, and for a while Daunte Culpepper. 5 QBs drafted with the first 12 picks and 3 1/2 miserable failures.

QUOTE (shipps @ May 5, 2008 -> 11:48 AM) Thats my point. I started to make a point but got sidetracked and forgot what I was talking about I think I was going to say that '05 was the anomaly year for Garland and your point would carry more weight if his ERA wasn't a full point lower. He hasn't been that good in his career before or since (2001 notwithstanding, it wasn't a full year). Also for further comparison purposes his WHIP was 1.17, and in 2006 it was 1.363 which is more like what he's looked like for the rest of his career. That's a pretty tangible difference.

QUOTE (shipps @ May 5, 2008 -> 12:45 PM) He won 18 in 05' also.It will all balance itself out as far as getting run support most of the time. In '05 the offense was pretty bad.

QUOTE (shipps @ May 5, 2008 -> 12:35 PM) Can someone tell me when wins dont reflect on how a pitcher has pitched when they have won 18 or more wins?Its always when they dont have that many wins,people throw the W-L doesnt matter out there. It's much more common for a good pitcher to lose a game they deserved to win than for a s***ty pitcher to win a game they should've lost. You'll see much more times like the Buehrle example Kalapse posted than a hypothetical example where a pitcher allows 8 runs through 3 innings but his offense explodes and has a 2-run lead that gets maintained for the rest of the game. Usually they'll just end up with a no-decision if their offense bails them out and one of the relievers gets the win.

I'm pretty sure he meant "aren't" but I chose not to say anything because that's not what the rest of the post said "Get in there! Play that damn game! No, you can finish your homework later!"

QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 5, 2008 -> 12:25 PM) My god you people love to nit pick, I wasn't even going to address this but perhaps I should before I get hit with 12 more of the exact same posts. For what was expected of him (MANY people saying he was going to be an absolute disaster in CF) he has exceeded expectations. If you compare what a lot of people thought he was going to do in CF to what he is doing in CF I would say the difference is quite large. When comparing his defensive play to Brian Anderson, Swisher has been mediocre at best but when comparing him to Rob Mackowiak (a comparison that was thrown around during the spring) he's been outstanding. That is basically all I said. Just that I didn't agree with word choice. If that's nitpicking, well I guess it is what it is then.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ May 5, 2008 -> 10:22 AM) I tend to be very conservative on fiscal policy (stay the hell out of my life) and a little more "liberal" on social policy (stay the hell out of my life). For example, I think GWB is a flaming idiot to want the "gay marriage ban"... hell no, the FEDERAL government needs to stay out of that crap and let the local jurisdictions handle it. I actually liked Ron Paul, if he didn't carry it too far. You have to have an infastructure for government re: defense, taxation, etc. but they don't need to legislate things as much as they do. That puts me squarely liberatarian, but those people are a little too fanatical for my taste. Paul would've gone farther if he wasn't so radical (omg I don't like it let's just cut it yeahhhH!!!) and if he was a better public speaker.

QUOTE (Sox It To Em @ May 5, 2008 -> 11:39 AM) All that tells me is that the pitcher gave up two runs in seven innings. That is a great game, it's not his fault the hitters on his team couldn't muster up more than two runs. You said it a lot shorter than I did

QUOTE (Molto @ May 5, 2008 -> 11:33 AM) W-L is still important (perhaps not as important as ERA and innings) because it shows the pitchers ability to win a game in some cases. If a pitcher shuts out a team for six innings, gets two runs of support in the top of the seventh and then gives up two runs in the bottom of the seventh, that says something. It doesn't mean the pitcher sucks, but he obviously couldn't run with a lead. Being able to finish off the opposition when given a lead is pretty important. ERA and BB/K ratio doesn't show that. Pitchers will give up runs eventually no matter how good they are. That's just how it goes. Sometimes they get tagged for 4 in one inning, sometimes they just give up a couple of 1 run innings. But if a pitcher gives up 2 runs in the top/bottom of the 7th the inning after he gets a lead I would venture to guess he was getting gassed and it was time for him to come out. That happens a lot, actually. Besides, if it says something, what does it say about the other innings where he was pitching a shutout or didn't have a lead? Giving up 2 runs in the 7th is still a QS and his team is still in position to win. If his offense can't come through, it really isn't his fault.

QUOTE (rangercal @ May 5, 2008 -> 10:33 AM) yup, as you pointed out, Haas is the next coming of Jerry Rice and don't forget about Airese Curry. Ariese Currie is a legend, I heard he had a negative 40 time once. But right after that he sprained his ankle trying to tie his shoes.

QUOTE (shipps @ May 5, 2008 -> 10:25 AM) Alright there is way to much Hawk Kool Aid being drank around these parts.Saying certain stats are meaningless is just trying to make excuses for poor stats. You can have excellent stats (the ones that do matter like WHIP, K:BB ratio and ERA) and then still a poor or at least underachieving W-L record. Much in the same way you can have a high slugging percentage and still a relatively low RBI total (as compared to other guys with the same SLG) if the rest of your lineup doesn't carry its weight. How many wins do Mark Buehrle or Javier Vazquez have if they get Yankee run support?

QUOTE (rangercal @ May 5, 2008 -> 11:24 AM) maybe you were browsing talkbears and the quality of posts are better due to a smaller base. However, go to the chicagobears.com forum and do some thread digging of bear fans ok with Peterson as the starter (because he has heart). On the NFL site I regularly post/mod at, the Bears official board is a running joke. It's like the largest collection of lowest common denominator Bears fans on the internet. Ignorant/poor quality posts are said to be "offish-like," etc. Sometimes for laughs people will post a cluster of posts from there.

QUOTE (shipps @ May 5, 2008 -> 11:12 AM) No you dont.Bears fans acknowledge the guys role but nothing more than that. I like him where he's at. He's done everything they've asked him to do. And yes, I think most Bears fans understand this. Now, somebody like Mike Haas on the other hand... they seem to think he's a Pro Bowler waiting to be unleashed.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 5, 2008 -> 11:05 AM) No, and comparing him to Cedric is a joke because Cedric's had more than one bad year. In the NFL? No. Unless you count him falling down the depth chart his first year as a result of chasing $$$ he ended up not even getting a bad year.

QUOTE (rangercal @ May 5, 2008 -> 11:01 AM) 196 carries on one of the 5 worst lines in the NFL = "blown chances"? Really? I will have to respectfully disagree here. 1 more season of this(with Forte playing well) and I will agree. There were times when he had holes or decent blocking and tiptoed into them instead of hitting them with burst and authority. He didn't have bad blocking the whole year on every single carry. Granted, a lot of this is timing and chemistry that a RB will develop with his line over time and there was nothing like that consistency so Benson can't be totally blamed for that. Now, add in the fact that he isn't much of a factor as a receiver, if at all, and the fact that he is simply a piss-poor pass blocker (ask Brian Griese) who admits to not studying game tape to get stronger in that area and he doesn't sound like much of a starting running back. Adrian Peterson may have had roughly the same rushing average, but at least he was significantly stronger than Benson in the other areas. I'm not calling him a bust yet but take all of this in the context that his injury may be more serious than he was letting on and he may be even slower than he was last year, and that he's half-assing his way through rehab and it's not looking good for Benson. The fact that he fell far behind in his rookie year thanks to his pointless holdout is just insult to injury at this point.

I was a big "the O-line is a major factor being the worst in the NFL" guy this past year but Benson had chances and blew them. The horrendous offensive playcalling didn't help either though. What was it, the Denver game I think where Benson got hot on his first 10 or so carries and then they barely gave him the ball for the rest of the game? Wolfe probably suffered from that more than anybody. If he is used correctly he is quick and explosive and brings an added dimension to the team. But there are some things you do not, I repeat DO NOT do with him. Like run one of the smallest players in the NFL right into the Vikings' beastly Williams twins from inside your own 5 yard line. That is one of the most retarded play calls I have ever seen, only one worse than that was when Babich dropped Tommie Harris and his one good knee into coverage. I'm just glad Wolfe didn't end up a snack.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 5, 2008 -> 10:16 AM) I myself am voting for Benson, because at least Salaam had one good year and McNown showed some flashy signs with Marcus Robinson. Benson never had a distinguished run despite being the 4th overall pick. Benson was very productive for one year at least and was a major factor in the Super Bowl run, albeit as a backup. IMO he's nowhere near Salaam, Enis at least had that torn ACL as an excuse because he was halfway decent before that. McNown all the way. That turd makes me throw up in my mouth every time I hear his name. And he was a prick to boot. He was one of those moves that set the franchise back which is saying a lot considering the Bears' QB history in my lifetime.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ May 3, 2008 -> 03:12 PM) I did vote in the Democrat Primary, actually. Since it was an open primary, a lot of people voted. Believe it or not, I do tend to vote both parties. Heh, I coulda sworn you were a Republican, I guess I should've known better considering your neutral replies to some of the stuff I post here.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ May 5, 2008 -> 08:29 AM) Adults are one thing, kids are a totally different issue. Yeah. I was agreeing.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 5, 2008 -> 08:24 AM) In my time playing the game, I did not encounter a single cinematic moment that wasn't laced with profanity... That actually should read "when she stubbornly comes in my room and I do not have the energy to unfocus my attention and kick her out because I'm trying to listen to the game" before doing it 5 minutes later. And if I'm driving around not really doing anything I don't really care. I'm not concerned if she hears the occasional f-bomb. She hears language just as bad at school. Which is funny to me, there are times when I'm around those kids and they'll curse and not even try to hide it. When I was 11 I cursed too but I at least didn't do it around adults.

This thread will be locked too but the title alone deserves to keep it open.

QUOTE (shipps @ May 5, 2008 -> 09:34 AM) I agree that at times it can be decieving but it is going way to far to say it is useless and unimportant. If a pitcher allows very few hits, doesn't walk a lot of guys, and is generally hard to score off of then he's a good pitcher. But when the lineup behind him doesn't score, he will still lose. If he has an explosive lineup behind him he can allow 5-6 earned runs per start and still come out with a decent number of wins. When talking about how successful a pitcher is don't tell me how many games a pitcher (i.e., the TEAM) actually won - tell me how many times he would have put an avearge MLB team in position to win.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 5, 2008 -> 09:17 AM) That's exactly what I was getting at. As adults, we should have some idea of the boundaries by now, and be able to play these sorts of games without it effecting our mindset out in the real world. But an 11-year-old is still much more vulnerable to those influences, whether they want to hear it or not. And she absoltuely does not want to hear it either And I say "too damn bad." Heh. She hears enough profanity out of me alone. She doesn't need to see me banging my date after I finish a mission where I accidentally blasted some old lady's head off with a shotgun. I do let her watch some of the cinematic scenes though or the milder missions since she more or less knows about guns and violence from movies. But I make her leave when the game starts to get graphic.