lostfan

This made me laugh. http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/re...zs-latest-album

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 04:07 PM) Richard Cohen had an openly racist editorial in the Washington Post today http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ric...ry.html?hpid=z2 Well in fairness after he said stop-and-frisk was justified he did actually acknowledge it violates young black men and said these kinds of problems for black people actually exist and aren't new which is more than I could say for most other articles like that.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:58 PM) I never understood why parents got involved with their children's relationships. That just seems so wrong to me. Traditional cultures are like that

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:54 PM) I dated a black girl in high school, and it wasn't easy. My dad was polite but said the bare minimum to her, and to me while we dated. And her brother was a banger-wannabe threatened me daily. Most of my friends seemed cool with it, but we got funny stares when we went out. This was back in the early 80's. They'd have gotten used to it eventually, they have no choice.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:51 PM) The last girl I dated before the current one was black. She was very sweet and my mother met her and loved her. She still asks about her and talks about her. On the other hand, my stepdad was never a fan of the concept from the get go. I don't know if there was anything the girl could have even done to make him feel comfortable about it. He never met her, but I am not sure he ever cared to. My dad had that problem when my grandmother first found out he was serious about marrying my mom. She had a problem with it and with my mom for years. His solution was to do whatever he wanted to and make her get over herself. However there's some cultures (Jewish, Asian for example) where there's significant pressure to marry one of your own and you can't buck your parents like that and it wouldn't be acceptable.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:47 PM) Honestly, I understand what you are saying, and I admit I will never see the world the same as you, because I only have my own perspective. I can try and empathize, but I will never truly know. However, other than in the case where I actually see outright racism occurring, usually I have found it best to just ignore the whole concept entirely. I try to view people of other races just as I view myself. I work with a black female attorney and an asian female attorney on a daily basis. We work closely with a white male attorney from Charleston, SC. We all get along fabulously and I don't think race or racial stereotypes have ever been mentioned, despite the very loose and humorous nature we all have with one another. Generally I try to look at people as good people or people I prefer not to surround myself with. I don't really feel the need to parse it out anymore than that. In terms of everyday life there's nothing at all wrong with this. s***, I'm thrilled if that's what my whole life is like and for everyone else around me.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:33 PM) I totally feel you lostfan. As a black man I always feel like I'm trying to prove myself to white people. It's not something I have intent to do but it's more inherent. Example: While riding the train, I see some idiot rapping out loud during rush hour. I feel compelled to tell him to STFU. I feel like his actions reflect poorly on me that I have to defend myself from him. It's all too weird of a feeling. I'm sure if a white person saw some other white person acting like an idiot, it probably wouldn't even phase them. Another example is when I tell people my profession, they get big eyed, like it's impossible for a black man to possess an education. It's a shame really. From distancing ourselves from the idiots and still getting treated like *******, I grow weary of the s*** on a daily basis. White people will never understand that s***. I'm not trying to be racist but it's just true. I feel like most of them see things through rose colored glasses. Yeah, it's just different. Yes I have a degree Yes I had good grades in high school and college even though I was poor growing up and my dad was unemployed a lot Yes I have good credit Yes I have a son and am actually with him all the time No I do not have a criminal record No this all isn't really as unusual even though I know you assumed at least half were the opposite when you looked at me (unless I was wearing a suit and tie) I'm not even saying I'm bitter or jaded about all this, just saying, the world does not look the same to me as it does to you.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:26 PM) Well then try this one: Weird Al is awesome.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:20 PM) Bah, wrong one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzY2Qcu5i2A gonna be stuck in my head for the rest of the evening, thanks

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:15 PM) I have to ask you...do you ever find it annoying when white people (OR lighter skinned people) go out of their way to prove they're not racists? I've been seeing a LOT of this as of late, and it makes me believe they're closet racists. The words, trying too hard, come to mind when I see it...so I was wondering your perspective on the same. Yeah usually that's prima facie evidence that they are and it's kinda funny, lol. "Why'd you think I thought you were a racist? Interesting. Did I say I thought you were racist?" "I'm not racist! I had 3 black people in my house last year!"

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:17 PM) Well when they try and help with the schools, they kept that troll Karen Lewis telling them 'thanks for your money, but your white cracka ass has no business telling us how to school OUR children, pay us and leave'. or words to that effect. Why would they want to interfere when their motives are always questioned and they are perceived as only open wallets? It just sounds like concern trolling to me, Chicago is only a useful gun control talking point and nothing more. They have no intention to actually do anything about it. btw while I think trying to push charter schools is bulls*** and scamming taxpayers I don't buy the outrage and racism accusations against Rahm for closing the schools b/c I think the parents are full of s***. Their main gripe is that the new schools their kids are going to is gonna be a little farther away and they're gonna be inconvenienced, ignoring the fact that the school their kid went to was s*** and has been s*** since I was a little kid. GTFOHWTBS

In Australia the minimum wage is like $16 per hour and since employees don't have to pay healthcare costs they can afford housing. It has not killed their economy either.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 03:00 PM) Yes, there are idiots out there saying idiotic things. That's what they do. But to conclude that in light of what happened, that only black people are still racists is flat out incorrect. Yes, there are a lot of white people (and other opportunists) pretending to care right now, when they really don't, but this is just ... not a logical conclusion. Example. Yeah I know that's goofy ass Ted Nugent but that's the most recent example I could think of off the top of my head and definitely not the first time I've seen that. Also: when I hear prominent conservative types like Nugent, or Hannity, or Gingrich bring up Chicago as a counter-example (actually a non-sequitur) my first thought is "and what have YOU tried to do to help? Where've you been?" The answer to that is absolutely nothing whatsoever.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 02:47 PM) Are you not watching the news, Keith? I know they are mostly opportunists, anarchist, occupy assholes and so on, but they are doing it in the name of Trayvon. They showed a picture of about 15 people surrounding and jumping on a minivan. I wouldn't blame whoever was in there one bit if they would have just floored it and got out of Dodge. And no thanks on watching Hannity. Yeah, that's not what I mean though. That is just general douchebaggery not actually supported by anyone. I'm talking about when either: 1) black people are "the real racists" when they call out people who are doing or saying something obviously racist 2) white people telling black people what is or isn't racist and/or plugging ears and saying "get over it" when they try to talk about issues that affect them

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 02:33 PM) Huh? Where? Watch Sean Hannity for like 90 seconds see also: "the blacks are gonna riot" and associated comments

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 02:07 PM) lostfan, Sometimes you just have to accept that a certain subset will just never see/understand what it is like to be "other". It was a lot simpler when people were just overtly racist. There's actually a whole larger point I could make to explain that but it would be outside the scope of what I'm trying to do here, which is to show how and why the world looks different through the eyes of a black person which means they feel and react differently from everyone else. I have a hard enough time explaining that as is, quite frankly.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 02:02 PM) No controversy, I am just correcting u. Dude isn't white. Deal. I don't actually even care since I'm not insisting he's white. The post that started all this was when I said something like "I know he's not white but he has fair skin" which Milkman said was racist of me to say, and more than anything I actually think that's kind of funny.

Hispanic is not technically a race anyway. Since there were indigenous people in those countries just like here they have Indians, and they have straight-up white people who descended from Europeans, they had African slaves just like here, and they have everything in between. I don't even get the controversy to point out that someone has light skin. Anyway Zimmerman's race is irrelevant to almost every point I made in here so far except for that he isn't black (which would change the whole calculus of how everything played out from the start).

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 08:14 AM) "He's fair-skinned, so he's socially perceived as white" is probably pretty accurate. Just as Obama is mixed-race but would be perceived in our society as black. This. And my father is white, but for all intents and purposes I'm black when people look at me. My skin is dark or at least light brown.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 12:01 AM) That sounds incredibly racist. And honestly, it seems like you're making it about race. That wasn't really the point, if I saw Zimmerman on the street without knowing who he was and not knowing his mother was from Peru or whatever I'd have assumed he was white. And I wasn't talking about Zimmerman specifically I was talking about what happens to black people in court under the same circumstances. Yes of course the point I made was about race.

George Zimmerman being worried about vigilantes is like Derrick Rose questioning why it's taking someone so long to come back from an injury.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 15, 2013 -> 05:04 PM) Not really. A baseball manager has to have his team ready to play, and playing hard, in 162 games. A baseball manager has to look at tomorrow's game re whether to use a player, not just today. Football coaches have different challenges, such as game plans and play-calling, but are given a lot of staff and can frequently blame things on coordinators. This team has made mental gaffes all season, but somehow Ventura holds no responsibility. Ventura didn't have the experience when offered this job, and I just don't see what he's done to deserve keeping it. Game planning in and of itself is extremely complex, that alone is hours of preparation

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 15, 2013 -> 04:44 PM) Now that's a post I agree with. IF Sox were playing decent defense, team would be near .500. Now, cmon, folks, Sox are playing 14 games below capability?? Robin deserves a pile of blame and a big fat grade of F this year after his A- from last year. The collapse is the reason for the minus. What's their capability? How does anyone know really? A lot of the reasons for this team's collapse have nothing to do with Robin. In 2007, I don't think I was actually registered on this board at the time, but the general feeling among Sox fans wasn't anti-Ozzie save for people criticizing him for starting Erstad over Anderson. But that was a team in which Andy Gonzalez had 185 PAs.

I went to an Orioles game a month or so and I looked at their lineup, it was something like McLouth, Markakis, Jones, Davis, Machado, at the time all these guys were WELL over .300. More than half their lineup. Actually there was a 6th person who I don't remember but at the time he was also over .300, whoever the DH was, Dickerson I thiink. And then I looked at our lineup for s***s and giggles, not a single one. Rios was heads and shoulders over everyone else and he was at about .285, everyone else was in the .240s or so. That's got nothing to do with a manager. The hitters just suck.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 15, 2013 -> 03:39 PM) Robin is so well liked that posts like this IMO are the majority opinion. People are blaming the players rather than turning on the manager as they did Ozzie (because Oz was a loudmouth). My take is that Robin's team has had a horrendous first half, baserunning mistakes, defensive mistakes, embarrassing gaffes. If I were GM I'd be pissed because this is a .500 team, not a team 17 below .500 for gawdsakes. The GM should be FURIOUS at Robin. 17 below .500 with this pitching staff, pissing away game after game partly because of embarrassing defense? You've got to be kidding me. Ozzie never had a roster this thin and a lineup this sorry (except 2007). Plus Robin took largely the same team the following year and they almost won the division, and Ozzie (who'd quit) went to Miami and was a disaster and ended up getting fired. Granted, Loria is a terrible human being who f***ed the taxpayers of Miami over and the 73 or so Marlins fans but still.