SoxWS05
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We're better, but are we 20-25 games better than last year? Because if we aren't THAT much better, we aren't making the playoffs. And if we aren't making the playoffs, our old core is another year older and another year closer to free agency, and even our young guys like Jenks are a year closer to costing us a truckload of money.
I don't see any way in hell we finish better than 3rd in this division, so our short term is not good, and our farm system is the worst in baseball with our major league core already being old, so our long term is not good. Until somebody can legitimately refute even one of those points, i'm going to be pretty down on the Sox. I still love them and will watch every game, but I am down on them.
Thank god baseball is played on the field and not on paper.
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I'm glad to see the rays of sunshine that is getting blown out of people's asses in this thread. Let's just move the damn team to Tampa and get it over with, since they suck so bad in March. Oh wait a minute, that was almost tried once before...
Granted, it's not totally rosey, but it's certainly not the "let's blow everything up", yet. We can at least wait until May 1 for that, can't we?
Actually in august '07 everyone decided the '08 Sox would suck.
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Take a look at the tigers offense, and please tell me if you could replace the entire whitesox offense with the entire tigers offense you wouldnt do it right now.
I am having flashbacks to asking this question with Johan verus Mark Buerhle when a poster that you remind me of said he would rather have Buerhle.
The tigers offense is good, no doubt better then the Sox. I also see a lot of injury prone old players on the Tigers. I also see a very weak bullpen and a overrated pitching staff on the tigers. Sure the Tigers are really good, but the White Sox are good too.
Same goes for Cleveland...overrated offense, can Carmona repeat his '07 performance. Who's the closer?? Slow Joe? Team looks an injury away from very mediocre.
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QUOTE(IowaSoxFan @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 10:50 AM) *
I think that lineup finishes First in the division.
There I fixed it for you.
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Ask the Yankees how rebuilding via free agency works. Their attemps to do that (and they have three times as much money as us), have caused what is for their standards a long drought of world championships. What have they done to fix it? They've built a system of excellent up and coming prospects and players like Cano, Melky Cabrera, Hughes, Kennedy, Chamberlain, etc and are trying to win that way. People forget even the Yankees dynasty of the late 1990's was originally built on what was an excellent farm system with Pettitte, Jeter, Posada, Bernie Williams, Mariano Rivera, etc.
And how many times have the yankees missed the playoffs in the last 15 years? Maybe once.
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and a move here, and another move there....What are these "moves" you speak of that will make the Sox contenders?
The Sox are contenders now! I'm talking about the future that everyone is worried about. C'mon people, who cares about 2009,2010...worry about that when the time comes. I'm sure there are a few dozen players going into free agency next season.
Detroit has holes, Cleveland has holes, Jesus, let the season play out before you right them off.
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I am more concerned with having a good MLB team in the long run, but we don't have that right now. Actually, I shouldn't say that because we might be pretty good, but we aren't good enough to contend with the Tigers and Indians right now, and that is what matters.
But anyways, the only way we are going to get our MLB team to be good again is to rebuild, and that would in the short run entail having good minor league teams which build up the young talent before it is ready for the majors. We can't get good again IMO unless we rebuild, and you can't rebuild unless you at some point have a good AAA team and farm system.
Now, the issue this thread started with doesn't have a ton to do with the system itself. But it's just a bad message being sent yet again by Kenny that our young players and future don't matter and we are still going for it every year, even though our roster isn't good enough to win a title or even make the playoffs.
They have these players called "free agents" every year. We have young talent to build around. A move here, a move there..holes filled.
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I'd also like to say that I think the Swisher deal was idiotic considering we traded our 3 best prospects for a left fielder when we had traded our best hitting prospect for Quentin, who basically is now blocked from starting. My belief is KW thought Swisher would be able to play CF, but we quickly realized he's a disaster out there.
Are you more concerned with having a good MLB team or AAA team? Don't over value prospects because thats all they are...prospects. I think there's list a mile long of "can't miss" prospects who never made it. If Kenny wanted a good farm system he could have it tomorrow, but he wants the White Sox to compete now our farm system.
I never said Fields sucks, I just said Crede gives us a better chance to win in 2008. Thats all that matters.
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I honestly don't care. Even a poor defensive baseman in the major leagues will make plays 9/10 times. I'd rather have the occasional bobble and overthrow from Fields, factoring in his offensive potential, then stellar defense from Joe (which I doubt he'll provide) and his average offensive output.
It's not bobbles and overthrows, it's turning the tough DP or laying out to make the play down the line. Those are the intangibles that don't show up in the stat book but change the outcome of a game/season.
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You bring up an excellent point on committing to a 2008 run, but that's the problem. This team is not going to do anything but finish in 3rd place this year, and our management is in denial of that and won't rebuild. It looked like we would at least get to see our future at 3B, but now that is in doubt too. As for Fields defense, it can't improve unless he gets some "reps" at the major league level, and he's ready to produce offensively at a level far surperior to a normal Crede year, even if strikeouts offend a lot of people.
I'm pretty sure a ground ball in AAA is the same as a ground ball in MLB.
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I still haven't read one valid statement on why Crede SHOULDN'T be the Sox starting third baseman. Yeah Fields hit 23HR last season, but the team was out of contention and all he did was take HR swings every AB. Fields also struck out twice a game and has trouble turning a double play. Crede is a top 5 defensive 3B is all of MLB, like someone stated earlier our pitchers need all the help they can get behind them and Fields makes our pitchers worse.
I would say they're close to equal at the plate, but still give Crede the edge. Fields has yet to play a full season. Crede's last full season was .280 30HR 90RBI. Granted that was the best year of his career but no reason to believe he won't hit 25HR and 80RBI this season.
Fields should go down the charlotte and work on his defense because he is one of the worst defensive 3b in all of MLB.
Face it, if Crede is still here come opening day he will be the starter and he should be. Crede will help the Sox win more games then Fields in 2008. I don't know why everyone overrates fields so much.
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Anyone heard if they have any deals on the table for Crede or if they're any closer to naming the opening day third baseman?
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Javier looked pretty good at the plate, good AB and ended with a hard single. I think he has a higher career average then Anderson.
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I realize its indelicate to mention, but I find it odd that the school scholarship fund benefits from this charity, not the families of the recently diseased.
Thinking the same thing.
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Brian Anderson, you are ridiculous!
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Javy's looked good.
Juan flashing the leather at 2b. Must've missed the memo that he sucks.
And just hit a nice little base hit...what nerve.
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Well, Anderson is also a better fielder than Owens as it is and from what I saw last year.
No doubt about it, but whats more important CF or lead off? I can't say, but it would be nice to have a guy who could steal bases at the top of the lineup. Also, I don't see Anderson being a CF who can gun someone out at home on a sac fly.
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I couldn't disagree more. Those two, along with Owens, see teams take advantage of their lack of arm and consistently take the extra base.
It's way more important for the strong arms to be in RF and LF. That's where the xtra bases are taken.
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I still don't consider Owens anything more than a LF, and would have had no problem with him being an option there. I just don't like it when your CF has to two hop it to the cutoff man.
The CF doesn't really need a strong arm though. Speed is more of an issue. (see Johnny Damon, Juan Pierre)
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How about Felix Pie, in the trade of disappointing high potential CFs?
How about Neil Cotts and Shingo? Maybe Jeff Samarjia (spell?)
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We're still sitting in a place where we're very likely to have an opening at SS at the start of 2009, maybe earlier if our MLB team implodes again. Hell, we have 2 MI spots that should be open by the start of next season. There's a place for both him and Richar if they can stay healthy/perform this season in AAA.
Remember, we don't worry about 2009 until 2009. The future is now.
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Anderson probably deserves the starting CF job but I just don't like the idea of O-Cab or Swish leading off. Though call here.
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MMac gives up a walk but retires the side without a run.
I think I heard the Rangers announcer say he was hitting 97-98MPH on the radar gun. That sounds promising for Mcdouche.
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Drew Bledsoe
Kurt Warner
Jim Thome
Frank Thomas
and I'm not even thinking
They were all traded or released, they did not start the next season on the bench.
Crede likely to start on opening day
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Wow. Hate to burst your bubble but Fields is the next coming of a poor man's Adam Dunne.