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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 02:04 AM) Will you please read the Teahen resigning thread and get, if just some, insight into MLB financials before thinking the Sox signed Teahen 3 years beyond his free agency years? Kthx So, what part of my reference to the Sox signing Teahen to a 3 year contract was incorrect?

QUOTE (Ranger @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 12:38 AM) You know, I really wouldn't fall in love with Brent Morel just yet. Promising player, yes. And I'm curious to see how he turns out, but I would trade him in a second for a guy that's ready to play now. Besides, I don't think the Sox could be able to make a Gardner-for-Morel straight up. They haven't completely given up on Viciedo at 3B just yet, but he won't play there ultimately. It wouldn't take all that long to convert him to LF/RF/1B, which is why they're going to totally exhaust the 3B option first. Harder to find a good power-hitting 3B than it is those other positions. But it doesn't look like they're going to wait all that long. Obviously signing Teahen for 3 years is gonna block Brent Morel and any other 3B. Viciedo should move to 1B now. He would replace Brandon Allen as the system's slugging 1B of the future. BTW, why does 670 podcast 4 hours of Brian-The-Whipping Boy and not a full White Sox Weekly show...?!

QUOTE (Real @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 10:51 PM) More from my Yanks friend: I wonder what D-backs fans were saying about Quentin before he played a full season in the bigs...

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 10:58 PM) Really? In 2008 when he put up his modest .291/.337/.461/.798 stat line, .350 wOBA and super elite 27.5 UZR/150 that placed him 3rd among RF with a 54.7 RAR. Drop that insane UZR to a more easily attainable mark and he's still around 44 in RAR which would be the 7th highest among all RF in 2009 and worth around ~$20M according to Fangraph's calculations. If he hits like he did in '08 and fields like he did in '06 then he's an incredibly valuable RF. Nicely done, Kalapse.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 10:45 PM) Most are well aware with his UZR rating in RF, but whose to say his +8.2 UZR rating in limited appearances in CF won't jump next season? Did you know that Rios had a +23.8 UZR in only 59 starts in CF for the Blue Jays last year (technically 08 last year) which I believe was his second highest total? Whose to say that Quentin won't go back to his stellar defensive RF ratings from the D-Backs/minors/Stanford? Rios was a natural CF before the Blue Jays eventually moved him to RF as he was blocked. Any way you slice it, Alex Rios is a superior defensive OF wherever you put him. I'd rather have my best defensive OF manning CF personally and take my chances on a guy who was ranked as one of the best defensive RF's in the minors (not to mention had + UZRs in RF with the D-Backs) in Quentin which is his natural position as well. Gardner is also good defensively supposedly, and has some LF experience. Didn't do too bad in 15 games he was out there in 08. I'm willing to give him that chance for more opportunities down there if we did get him. Great post. I didn't know TCQ was so highly regarded for this defense. Wow. My point with the Rios stuff was reading people post that Rios contract somehow worsened in RF was unreal. An OF of Quentin/Garnder/Rios is imeasureably better than the stiffs they've run out there the past several years. The Sox have fielded some TERRIBLE outfields.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 10:36 PM) I don't see any use in arguing your point, Kalapse, because i'm inclined to say i agree with you. Players like Gardner trouble me, because their main skill sets is there legs, and speed can kill a team when it's misused. I just think that as a fairly, cheap left-handed option, he might be able to find a decent place here. I'm not saying it's a done deal, hell, generally, i hate players with Gardners skillset, but even i can't deny that, that defense can have a huge impact on his team. Especially, coupled with his ability to get on base, at a decent rate. Gardner's best asset may not be his excellent speed. He rates as having an exceptional plate discipline a well. I looks like he projects to be an above-average CF, and all things considered his value to the 2010 White Sox in particular would be very high. It would appear to be an excellent fit.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 10:06 PM) Gardner makes sense in terms of filling the Sox's need as a leadoff hitter etc. although I personally don't think he's much better than say Jerry Owens. And by acquiring him, you'd be moving Alex Rios to RF, and I don't want that scenario to happen, because you'd be vastly overpaying him in terms of what he'd bring to the table from that spot. This has become the thread about the misperception that Rios playing RF makes his contract a bad one. Having him play RF justifies his deal more than anything else. I'll write it again....RIOS IS AMONG THE BEST DEFENSIVE RF'S IN ALL OF BASEBALL -+60.5 UZR in RF over the last 6 seasons.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 10:02 PM) Someone needs to... LOL. -nice.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 09:01 PM) jphat does make an excellent point about how Rios' contract is even more iffy if he's your RF and not playing CF. I bet anything that KW wishes he could take that move back. Rios' defense in RF is sabermetrically among the best in MLB – +15.5 last season, +9 the two seasons prior to that. His contract is a better one with him there, not worse.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 07:09 PM) SoxNet: Sox Reportedly Ask Yankees About Gardner Supposedly, the Sox were asking the Yanks what it would take to acquire Gardner. http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2009/12...news_sox_e.html Well, if a deal was ever gonna happen, it isn't now. Thanks Cowley. I swear KW must wanna stab that dude.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 11:30 PM) 425 PA is a partial season. This is a guy who's used to 730+ PA years, 425 is 58% of that, basically the definition of partial. Congrats to him on the .300 career batting average, baseball if full of early 30 year olds who are past their prime's and can no longer be relied on to match their career numbers, the Sox just signed one for $550K guaranteed, you know he of the .826 career OPS. The last time he hit .300? 2004. The last time he put up a good OBP? 2004. The last time he could be relied upon as an everyday player? 2004 So what expiring contract are you sending the Dodgers' way? The Sox have a grand total of 7 expiring deals and 5 of those guys make less than $2.5M and/or were signed within the past 2 weeks. The other 2: AJ Pierzynski ($6.25M) and Paul Konerko ($12M). Your 2 year deals are Buehrle ($28M), Linebrink ($10.5M). What's your plan for buying high on Pierre? Pierre averages 600 PAs a season for his career. That considered, 425 PA's is a not a partial season. He had an excellent year last year and would have had A LOT more PA's had he not been replaced by Manny Dreadlocks. Not many players would have benched a .308 hitter with a .365 OBP and 30 steals but a guy who many believe is among the best hitters of all time did just that. So his "partial" season was a result of that, not some kind of breakdown or fall-off. How is Pierre past his prime? He finished with a .720 OPS. That ranked 4th best out of his 10 year career and in the field, UZR/150 rated Pierre as excellent in LF with a +16.4. Not past his prime. The rumor is a three team deal with Linebrink involved. If that didn't work, I'd resign Jenks to a one-year contract out of arbitration at around $7.5M and ask for cash & Pierre in return. PK off the books in 2011, makes Pierre's final year compensation acceptable. Ozzie is confident that Thornton can close and I believe him. I'd still move to sign Mike Gonzalez as a back-up LHP or the straight up closer for 2010/2011.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 10:38 PM) Because I don't change my opinion on players based on one partial season, a good 400 PA season doesn't erase the previous 4 bad ones. I'm not going to buy high on an incredibly expensive 32 year old with a well documented track record of mediocrity, that's how a lot these teams in financial trouble accumulate bad contracts. With respect, 400 PA is not a partial season and a career .300 AVG is not a track record of mediocrity. He's expensive to the Dodgers. If the Sox acquired him, he wouldn't be under those terms any longer. In order for a deal to happen, the Sox would unload a heavy contract and would insist on LA eating some cash which they know they'd have to do. The key for LA is any player they inherit, it would have to be an expiring contract. Pierre still has another year on his after 2010. If the Sox can dump salary in a deal, which is what they are trying to do, and they can offer 2011 relief to LA for Pierre for around $6M a season, they might just do it. The Sox financial relief would not happen, but they improve the team at the plate on the paths and in the field.

"For those in the know, Pierre can still cover ground in the outfield can't he? " Yeah, but he should stay in LF.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 02:17 PM) He's made the playoffs 3 times in his career and the last 2 times were as a part time player so he got a total of 7 PA in 4 rounds of playoff action, I'm not paying for intangibles that likely do not exist. His combined line over the past 4 years going into last season was .286/.329/.359/.688, that's awful especially for the price it'd cost to get and pay him. A .43 isoD and a .73 ISO, that's a bench player not your top man in plate appearances. Why would you completely eliminate last season from your assessment? He had a nice season both at the plate and in LF.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 09:00 PM) Eh, I'd rather have Crisp than Pierre since he's much cheaper. Pierre's been a leadoff hitter all his life and he's never eclipsed 60 walks, that's horrible. If we want a leadoff man who will get on base, you do not get Pierre, especially considering he's going to cost you money and a player in return. They're pretty much the same in terms of speed and defense. Pierre is obviously faster than Crisp, but Crisp's defense is better. Pierre is a career .301 hitter. - He gets on base. He would cost quite a bit more than Crisp, though.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 08:49 AM) Or maybe for the difference in salary we could just sign 2 of Coco Crisp/Yasser Gomez/Leslie Anderson and let them battle Jordan Danks and Alejandro De Aza for the lead-off spot. The main reason we would want Linebrink gone is to clear some salary space to improve the 2010-11 teams. Taking on an even more expensive bad contract probably isn't going to help us do that unless the guy we're taking on is a pretty damn good player who fills a need. If Pierre had the arm for CF I'd make the deal, but he doesn't, and the thought of a Pierre-Rios-Quentin or Quentin-Pierre-Rios outfield makes me want to puke. Why would you puke? Pierre was a well above average LF last season.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 09:21 PM) John Danks is awesome! I think many fans and critics undervalue him. Danks is decent: Career: 31-33 - 4.06 ERA - .258 AVG - 1.33 WHIP That is 3rd or 4th starter material on an average MLB staff.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 12:09 AM) Just a word of mouth.. cool it with post like those bro. Don't like seeing posters (in general) go out on a bad note. **EDIT: Saw you deleted your post, but still an FYI.** God damn I hate my slow ass computer. Yeah, I thought twice about it. "I think you over-value your own opinions..." There is no reason to start s*** with me like that. If you're gonna celebrate that crap with "Very well said", don't warn me not to respond to it a minute later.

QUOTE (scenario @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 09:30 PM) A 24-year old left-handed starter like Danks is a very valuable player. And do you remember last year... 2008... when he was 5th in the AL in ERA? And that the only 4 pitchers ahead of him were Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, Dice-K, and Jon Lester? I think that qualifies as a little better than 'decent'. Not when you regress the way he did in 2009.

QUOTE (scenario @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 10:41 PM) He's a former catcher who's been moved around to different positions over the last 3 years (corner outfield, 1B, and a little 3B). He could probably stick at 1B. But he'd be a subpar corner OF. Sort of limits his options. Solid bat though... and light-tower power. His offense alone makes it worth somebody's time to give him a shot. Light-tower power? Are you high? The guy slugged .468 last season.

QUOTE (Ranger @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 03:25 PM) I may be willing to do that if it were Jordan Danks. Sox fans over-value John Danks. He's a decent pitcher.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 01:13 PM) KW wouldn't. That's all that matters (thank the good lord). If John Danks and some prospects at their highest value stand in the way of one of baseball's elite players in both offense AND defense, you deal him. Danks rejected the deal Floyd signed last year and went out and regressed in ERA, BB, Ks and served up almost twice as many HRs last season. Gonzalez is a premiere offensive player, a Gold Glove defender and has a very reasonable contract going forward. He's EXACTLY what the Sox need now and for the next several years. That is a trade you make yesterday.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 01:02 PM) Thats where I draw the line. I refuse to give up Floyd. Outside of Peavy, he is the clubs best starter. I do think Danks could over-take him though and I believe Buehrle is our 4th best starter, although his leadership, experience and contract make him our #2. But he's a damn good #2 and a ridiculously awesome #4. John Danks, Hudson, Flowers, Morel for Gonzalez? I'd do it.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 12:57 PM) I like how this offseason is shaping up. We seem to have a solid plan and KW always has good follow through. In spite of a lot of things, it's great to have KW as a GM. I'd hate to be the Tigers or Cubs fans. Hendry/Dombrowski have crippled their teams with terrible contracts.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 12:55 PM) And if you read between the lines there are a lot of hints that the Sox have talked to the Pads about Gonzalez. On top of that, you know damn well that the Angels would be interested in listening to any deal that got Matthews Jr out of town. No doubt Kenny is chasing him. The Pads should move him and stockpile prospects. He's got a very enticing contract that would make the trade a system-gut of the Sox pursue it. Seriously, the Pads are probably asking for Floyd, Hudson and Flowers or something like that.