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QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 26, 2009 -> 10:55 PM) Good catch, but you also have to look at the sample sizes. .786 in 200 some plate appearances isn't really convincing enough. Given Jones' weight issues, I have trouble seeing him out there for more than 350 plate appearances. Especially if the Sox want him to fill in at the corner outfield positions at times. I don't know why fans are so fixated on this deal. Jones won't get more than 200 plate appearances and he shouldn't. He may play the OF once every couple Sundays, but it's not gonna be often. The Sox just aren't counting much at all on Jones and the size of their offer proves it. He's making less then Dwayne Wise did last year.

"We didn't sign him to be a DH but that more or less is what he is." He was signed almost entirely to be featured part time in the Sox DH rotation next season.

"Right now he's just a bad DH." 17HR/43RBI/.782OPS in 82 games is not a bad DH.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 08:02 PM) Speed be damned. Give me a guy with average foot speed and a .370 OBP and I'm golden. His name is Nick Swisher.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 09:51 AM) Look, you havent been here very long and posts like these from you seem to be the norm, stop with the condescending remarks. I support good posts all the time. Lighten up.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 04:42 PM) Agreed, Crisp is no JD. They had about the same production in the 2nd half last year, and Crisp was out for the season.

QUOTE (bear_brian @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 04:03 PM) I rarely post here, but after reading some of the anti-Crisp comments here, feel I need to add my thoughts to this discussion. Crisp is an outstanding defensive outfielder - head and shoulders above Posednik. He is also a switch hitter, which can be a valuable commodity with all of Ozzie's lineup changes. Before he was hurt last year he had an OBP of .371 in April. He is not Ricky Henderson, but he is an experienced lead-off hitter who will probably hit somewhere between .250 to .270, steal 25 bases, hit a few home runs, lay down a few good bunts, and allow us wonderful outfield defense as well as flexibility. I see no downside with him - assuming the shoulders are healed. I cannot believe all of the bashing - BJ Upton is a real long-shot, Podsednik is not worth the money he is asking, etc. There are very few solutions out there to the combo of lead-off hitter and good defensive outfielder with speed. We do not want Beckham as a leadoff hitter - that is a waste of his talents. All we need after Crisp is to sign Matsui as DH and look for one more relief pitcher. We would then be the team to beat in the central. Nicely done here, bb.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 03:48 PM) Bounceback to what, though? Another year of a .340 OBP and 25 stolen bases? That's his usual level of production offensively, and certainly nothing to get too excited about. Add to that plus defense in CF and I'll take that. He'd sign for probably $2-3M/incentive. That works for this team if they can't deal for Upton.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 03:42 PM) It's funny how some people seem more likely to forgive Pods several years of injury plagued awfulness, but wont apply the same optimism to the career of Coco, who is younger...and has been a lot more consistently decent over the years. Coco fits the profile for a bounceback year. Pods toes the line of falling into a downward spiral due to age. Great post. I agree completely. Crisp is an absolute upgrade over Pods and will cost less.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 03:29 PM) "I am not so certain Crisp is that much better in the field" Whatever baseball credibility you had is now gone.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 11:10 AM) One time streaks do not make an elite player. Sorry. Tell that to Joe DiMaggio.

An average of 35 saves a year is elite. He also broke the all time MLB record for consecutive outs while doing it.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 10:57 PM) Wheeler was never given a chance to close, seeing as how he had 2 saves all year and only had 4 blown saves (which is still a BS statistic because you can blow a save in the 7th). Howell had 8 blown saves, but I'm not going to bother putting in the time and effort into figuring out which were in the 7th and 8th and which were in the 9th. I just know that they aren't going to put much value into a closer who put up a worse numbers than both Howell and Wheeler did last year, dealt with injuries last year, is out of shape, and is going to cost them around $7 mill. And I guarantee lack of a "true closer" didn't cost them "15 games". I would say a regressions in both the starting pitching staff and the offense cost them more games than anything else. They had Longoria for a full season, and Zobrist came out of nowhere, but they also had Burrell who was awful, Upton's OPS fell about 100 points, Navarro's OPS dropped almost 200 points. Further, the Sox have increased their defense already. Rios is an improvement on defense from Podsednik, Wise, or Dye, regardless of where he plays, and the Sox brought in Vizquel to be a defensive backup. Further, De Aza will likely provide very solid defense in LF late in games if Ozzie chooses to do that, and Kotsay will probably be able to handle himself in the corners. Wheeler was given a chance and so was Howell. The Rays blew 4 saves in a row to the Tigers at the end of last season. 4 blown saves in a week. Comparing Jenks, who is an elite MLB closer to the Committee of Fail the Rays sported last season is a joke. Of course the Rays want Jenks. Kenny is gonna have to eat some dosh if he moves him and you bet he would to aquire Upton.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 04:29 PM) First and foremost, Burrell and Rios would both be hitting higher in that lineup. It'd be more likely you'd see Beckham hitting 2nd, Burrell and Rios hitting 6th and 7th, with Ramirez and Teahen rounding out the lineup. Second, I still don't see a huge bat in that lineup. Surely both Upton and Burrell could get there, but they were far from it last season. Finally, I don't understand why Tampa makes that deal. There has been talk on here of them being interested in Jenks, but they have both Wheeler and Howell, who are more than capable of closing games down for them. Flowers would probably be an upgrade from Navarro, but it wouldn't be a surprise to see Navarro bounce back and put up another .750 OPS again either. Further, Morel is too far away and generally unproven as a prospect, and that still wouldn't be enough value for Upton alone. Finally, the Rays lose two big parts of their offense - again, even considering both were generally awful last season - and don't really get anything MLB ready back. That general deal just doesn't make a lot of sense. "they have both Wheeler and Howell, who are more than capable of closing games down for them." Wrong. Wheeler and Howell were HORRIBLE as were everybody else that tried to close for the Rays last season. Lack of a true closer cost them probably 15 wins last year. The Rays need a closer badly and Jenks is the answer. I'm certain Kenny has strategies to move Bobby + parts to TB for Upton. He's gonna overhaul the defense as much a possible in the next few months and he should. The Sox didn't take on $100M+ on Rios/Peavy contracts to watch another season thrown away by idiot defense and retarded baserunning.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 7, 2009 -> 10:30 AM) He's played 2nd in 2007 in the Cape Cod league and in 2008 in the AFL and not at all in the majors. And another point I'd like to make is we all have heard the arguments that Beckham at 2nd would put him among baseball elite 2nd baseman. While this is true you have to examine why it's that way. Generally and historically teams do not want their best players at 2nd base. It's a very high contact/risk position. The Sox have already lost much of their power from last year and with Konerko at the top of the list to provide any kind of major salary relief we could lose even more. Imagine the outcry if, God forbid, we lose Beckham to an injury due to a collision at 2nd base. That's why is so rare to have guys like Utley , Sandberg and Morgan at a position like 2nd base. At this point in time the hitting , infield defense , bullpen, one outfield position, and DH all look pretty weak. That's a ton of holes to fill with hardly any salary left to fill them. I'd be much happier knowing the hitting will be weak if the infield and outfield defense was good to support the starting pitching. That way the only thing left to improve would be the bullpen. "Generally and historically teams do not want their best players at 2nd base.' You mean like the 2008 AL MVP Pedroia?! Get a clue.

Cowley's vendetta against Quentin is getting ridiculous. OK, Joe - we get it. You don't like Quentin. Could it be because he's embarrassed you countless times? Trust me - he thinks you are a bigger prick than you think.

It'll be just a bad sprain. With treatment he should be back in a week. Frodo Lillibridge would improve the defense, and add a lot of speed. but he can't hit...

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 4, 2009 -> 06:59 PM) Not for losing to Greinke tonight, that was pretty much a given and was one of those bets you ALMOST make but you can't really bring yourself to bet against the White Sox, no matter what. 1) Nix had played in 9 minor and major league games before his appearance at 3B. He threw one ball into the ground that Konerko miraculously snagged or it would have been runners on 2nd and 3rd. He also muffed a double play ball and almost didn't get the out at 1B. 1B) Wilson Betemit is now officially superfluous. This team would be better off with Uribe as the back-up across the infield. If you can't trust him to play 3B against Greinke, then you might as well just release him or wait for Thome to go down again so he can be the starting DH. Playing against tough RHP was SUPPOSEDLY the area where he excelled, at least last year. 2) Lillibridge has no business near CF (see yesterday's boot) or in the White Sox line-up, PERIOD. He hasn't hit a ball to the left of second base all season long. He has taken feeble/anemic swings 3-4 times already this season, getting baserunners like Anderson and now Pods thrown out easily on botched hit-and-runs. He makes almost as little contact as Josh Fields, and it's borderline nauseating now to watch. If you're not going to play Pods in CF, you might as well stick Nix out there, since he's NEVER even played the outfield in a major league game...still, he managed to look better than both Pods and Lillibridge respectively. Imagine if we lost a one run game because of Lillibridge and Pods being out there. 3) Pods playing AT ALL in RF is a permanent stain on all ML RFers. He can't judge flyballs (he never took good routes), he has to have the worst arm in the history of those who have ever played RF for even a single game (as a starter) and he's no longer a threat on the basepaths. The only thing he does (now) is work the count a little bit and get a few walks. It would really be better if KW just was honest that this team wasn't constructed to repeat in 2009 and that he wanted to build a team capable of winning and going deep into the playoffs in 2010/2011/2012. The fans are smart enough to know that players like Jerry Owens, Lillibridge, Corky Miller, Jack Egbert and Lance Broadway aren't really major league quality contributors...at least on winning teams. There's nothing OFFICIAL about anything 5 weeks into the season. Except that you already need to step away from the White Sox, chill and find a way to get laid.

QUOTE (ChiSox420* @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 04:18 PM) A good fan should have the goal for their team to be as best as possible and win a championship, by pointing out a part of the team which is obviously subpar does not mean fans just "need something to attack" just merely we are smart enough to realize how to get better to achieve those ultimate goals... come on be smarter then that "as best as possible"? Unless you are a 3rd grade grammar student, you may not wanna tell others to be "smarter than that". Yeah, the chorus of boos raining down on Wise yesterday was just the fans being smarter on how to get better.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 03:38 PM) Ozzie's right. And I blame Ozzie. Ozzie picked the worst choice, the worst player on the roster, a player who shouldn't be on the 40 man, to get the most at bats on the team. This fanbase just HAS to have someone on the team to attack. Disgusting.

This thread is just another pathetic example of ignorant doomsday Sox "fans" spending all their time projecting player failure and b****ing about management moves, but when the team wins the division those same tossers raise a glass and celebrate "Sox Pride". Enjoy the party, losers.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Mar 19, 2009 -> 12:33 PM) So you think Owens is going to be the leadoff hitter no matter what, because Ozzie wants it that way? He's the coach. Of course it's what he wants. I'm saying if Owens would produce that would be Ozzie's ideal scenario.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 19, 2009 -> 11:48 AM) I'm beginning to think the reason they don't want to lead off with Getz is because of politics. They know Beckham is the future so they don't want to be put in a bad position when it's time to replace Getz. It'll be easier to replace a 9th place hitter than a leadoff hitter. Just a thought. You're reading way to much into this. If Ozzie has leadoff the way he wants it, it would be Owens. He blows, so Getz it should be.

QUOTE (scenario @ Mar 9, 2009 -> 12:57 PM) Whitesox.com Can you be more specific? No link there I can find.