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QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 04:28 PM) Brad Hawpe outside of Coors is extremely ordinary. Last 3 full seasons on the road: .278 .376 .486 .862 Much better than ordinary.

I'd like Brad Hawpe. He was an All Star last year, but the guy is in a down year because of injuries. He's a nice lefty bat with power and a quality career OBP. He's playing 1B these days and if he brings a glove, he should stay there and not go near the OF. He's collecting $7.5M this year which should also allow for him to clear waivers. For 2011 there is a $10M Team Option, with a $500k Buyout. I know Kenny was in discussions with COL about him recently, but the Rox wanted to hang on to him as Helton wasn't back yet and they are fighting for their lives. He's picking up the production lately as he's finally healthy: Last 7 days: .294/.400/.765/1.165

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 2, 2010 -> 09:14 PM) Figgins, Ibanez and Matsui are all getting a lot of mentions. Perhaps the most interesting "new" name is Nate McLouth...wonder if KW would try for him? Man, McLouth has absolutely crashed this season. His numbers are terrible. What happened to Nick Johnson?!

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Aug 2, 2010 -> 02:22 PM) I'd bet the farm that Jake Peavy would veto a trade to go play in New York for the Mets. Agreed.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 2, 2010 -> 12:17 AM) It would be either - I believe they work essentially the same. If a player negotiates for no trade protection, he is protected from exactly that, being traded. Claiming a player on waivers still must technically result in a trade of that player for him to change teams. Otherwise, a player with no trade protection has no protection at all. A team could just place him on waivers and give him away for nothing if they wanted badly enough to get out from under the contract, and the player would be rendered powerless. Now what a team could do is simply DFA the player and the player could then choose to sign with another team or choose to sit on his couch, but you cannot technically force a player with no trade protection to play for another team, as far as I understand. Isn't that what happened with Rios?

QUOTE (Pumpkin Escobar @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 11:11 PM) I don't think it was a block either. But the Tigers, were in fact blocked by a team with a worse record coveting a player which could've been theirs. I also don't know who you speak to that tells you how thorough we are but I'd like to hear more about your source or your affiliation with the club. And it wasn't a 50-60 million dollar guess, what it was, was a guy worth X amount of dollars based on his current and previous play, a team wanting to shed his actual salary, a team with gaping whole at the position he played, and that team willing to take the GAMBLE that he could rebound to be worth close to his contract value. Anyone follow the player values on some of the other websites? How much is he worth this season. Since he is having his best season potentially of his career, is it worth the money being paid or short or over? Just curious. It was a guy that cost what his contract said he was worth and a team willing to assume the burden of that contract. Pretty simple. My "source" was tonight's Club documentary and it's segment on how much they study advanced metrics/trends ahead of time on every acquisition and specifically, Rios. fangraphs.com

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 11:07 PM) That's where I goofed up, the team waiving the player can rescind the waiver. A team making a claim can't rescind the claim. So like I though, the only way to "block" someone from another team is to claim them yourself. Or simply an upcoming free agent on a non-contender. Not that I assume it likely, but can players' non-trade clauses come into play, like Derek Lee for example. Does he have any sort of "non-waive" rights? That's a great question.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 11:10 PM) They re-air it like 25 times a week, trust me... It's obvious by the trade war room remark "The question is are we better with Jackson or are we better with Hudson?" that Jackson was acquired to pitch for the Sox not "flip" to WAS. There's also the fact that Jackson was traded for AFTER talks with The Nats completely broke down. Kenny didn't even speak with Rizzo at any point on Sunday.

QUOTE (Pumpkin Escobar @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 10:25 PM) Adam Dunn, claimed by the 2nd place Dbacks. In 2008 btw. Not 2009. They were in second place in the NL west at the time and that was .500. Meaning a whole 5 teams declined on the free agent to be. Those teams being Padres, Giants, Nationals, Braves and Pirates. Ya, real quality found for a first place squad in the opposing league some 20 teams later in our case this season. Pavano? Extreme value? Especially at the time of his waiver deal. Moderate value at best? I'd let that slide. Considering his career era is north of 4 and his AL career ERA is hovering close to 5. Good season this year, happy for the guy but come on. Extreme value? And then trying to say it'd make it to a first place club? Thats the biggest thing you don't get. They don't last to first place clubs and if they do, there is something wrong with them. Rios, as stated, on waiver at this point last year was viewed as a salary dump for an uncertain, declining talent. Claimed by one of the worst teams in the AL, being us, and since we were the 6th worst team in the AL, 5th excluding Toronto who released him and him not needing to pass through the NL. That means 4 teams, the royals, baltimore, cleveland and Oakland rejected him. Not exactly teams opening the books for a guy who had sucked with a ton of money left. He didn't last long since we claimed him, thus preventing possibly a first place team to get him. Now that wasn't our intention but if the Yankees were banking on him, then you can compare them to us this season and how being low man on the totem pole isn't a good thing in waiver deals. Billy wagner. Again, a pathetic comparison just used because of his name. He had pitched a total of 2 scoreless innings since returning from surgery at 38 years old. Hadnt even been a full year since TJ, so not exactly the elite closer hitting the market midseason. He was a question mark, which is why he survived through 2 leagues until Boston claimed him. So please no more convicting "wrongs" when clearly you have no clue what you're talking about. All my waiver examples are some of the best talent at what they do in the game today. Not sure how this is confusing to you. But you keep on with the "pathetics" and "convictings" if it makes you feel better.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 09:07 PM) You're making it sound like it's simple because you're so confident. We were all confident that Kenny wasn't going to leave the deadline without a bat and look what happened. What happened is that Kenny traded for Lance Berkman.

QUOTE (Pumpkin Escobar @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 09:07 PM) This. We can preach about post deadline waivers and how you can find something. It's rare there is something of extreme value. Wrong. Some of the best talent in the game today were waiver deals. It happens all the time: Adam Dunn was a waiver trade in 2009. He's an extreme value. Carl Pavano was a waiver trade last season. He's an extreme value. Rios was a waiver claim last season. He's an extreme value. Billy Wagner was a waiver trade last season. He's an extreme value.

QUOTE (pktmotion @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 09:42 PM) I think last year's waiver claim of Rios, was kind of a block against the Tigers. I read a report last year stating that, although I'd assume there would be some interest if any team were to attempt a block; considering getting stuck with said player and their contract is a possibility. The Rios claim was not a $50 million block to the Tigers. The Rios claim was a Rios claim. The Sox are incredibly thorough in their player evaluations and they saw a very good chance Rios would recover, and they were right. No business makes $50-60 million dollar guesses.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 07:09 PM) Except normally the guy you pick up is playing poorly and severely overpaid, ala Rios last season who also happened to be horrible through the end of the season. Sure we had success but not immediately. I wouldn't get my hopes up. Last year, in fact, was a pretty big year for August deals. With Rios going in a waiver claim to the White Sox, Toronto was drowning in bad paper. They wanted out of that deal. If Rios was playing reasonably well, they'd still want out from under him as evidenced by the straight claim without a trade. I think it's not always a guy having an awful year. Last year there were waivers trades of Carl Pavano to the Twins, Scott Kazmir to the Angels and Billy Wagner to the Red Sox. I think availability might be more contract than production. They both are key as they each inform how far a player falls down the teams list. I look at a team like The Cubs. They are loaded with terrible deals and need relief. I think a guy like Fukudome would be available to the Sox. Not saying he's the answer, but not the worst idea in the world. He gets on base and that's what this team needs more than power. We don't need somebody to carry the team. Just put up a respectable OPS from either side.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 03:37 PM) Alex Gordon showing some pop since being called back up. Gordon not really a candidate for a waiver trade. Think a late 20's/early 30's vet with a big contract on a team looking to dump salaries.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 07:02 PM) Which makes it even more odd that they weren't willing to let him go yesterday. No it doesn't. They want his bat for a playoff push.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 06:58 PM) So it's feasible that we could even get a bat this week via this process? I think based on several factors, the Sox are very likely to make a trade for a bat this month: 1) Kenny traded for Berkman on Saturday. He absolutely wants a new bat. 2) Kenny had success last season in the waiver process. It's a slippery slope, but he's willing to work it. 3) Based on several efforts recently, JR is willing to commit money to acquisitions for the right player.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 12:14 AM) I wonder if the offer KW gave to LA was insulting enough to where if KW puts a claim in for him they pull him back and refuse to deal with him? If The Dodgers fall out of it, they are likely hoping KW tries to acquire him so they can get financial relief. They are bleeding money these days.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 06:37 PM) So between now and August first basically every player on a 40 man roster will be put on waivers at some point, sometimes it's to gauge interest, sometimes it's to sneak a player through so he can be traded. If say the Cubs put Derrek Lee on waivers every team in baseball has 47 hours to put in a claim, priority waiver claims goes to the NL first (since the Cubs are in the NL) starting with the team with the worst record through the team with the best record then to the AL team with the worst record and up to the AL team with the best record. So in this figurative scenario the Pirates would have #1 priority over the claim, San Diego 15th (thanks to their league best record, remember the Cubs don't count) and the White Sox would have 25th priority. Same goes for an AL claim, just the opposite. Any player on the 40 man roster must clear waivers before being traded, any good young player placed on waivers will likely be claimed by most teams in baseball so they will then be pulled back off waivers by the club and can not be traded that season. Any player that makes it through waivers unclaimed can be traded at will to any club they choose. So if Derrek Lee were out there and the Tigers or Twins thought the Sox had interest and wanted to block a claim they themselves could claim Derrek Lee. Then a number of options would be available: 1.) the Cubs could rescind the waiver on Lee, keeping him for the remainder of the season, you can only place a player on waivers ONCE 2.) they could work out a trade with the Tigers 3.) they could forfeit Derrek Lee's contract to the Tigers and Detroit would take on the entirety of his contract, this is the #1 reason a team would not attempt a block because they could end up being saddled with a s***ty contract all because they didn't want a division rival to MAYBE acquire said player. So the Tigers or Twins could block the Sox from getting someone simply by putting in a claim Between now and August 31st, correct? Just don't want to to be any more confusing...

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 12:32 PM) Please explain this logic to me. I would be completely shocked if Kenny doesn't add a bat next month.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 09:21 AM) Another thing people have to keep in mind is if the White Sox are sending anyone back in a trade, if its a player on the 40 man roster, they must clear waivers as well, so a guy like Flowers, for as bad as he's been, has very little chance unless he's going to Baltimore. It could be a claim or a trade. Rios was a straight claim as a salary dump and that could happen again this season. More likely that it's a trade but if a team wants out from under a big contract, they aren't gonna demand a 40 man player.

Kenny was just on the 670 The Score and he reiterated that the Sox had a deal for Berkman, but he rejected it to play for the Yankees. Kenny also confirmed that Dunn would have been no more than a 2 month rental, so what Rizzo was demanding would have been a devastating decision for the future had we made the trade.

I'm not a big "clubhouse chemistry" guy, but in a season like this, with a comeback run like they've had, the 2010 White Sox are feeding off of it. Manny is in the top 5 players that could f**k up that chemistry. Talk about a disconnect between front office and field.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:53 AM) He's pregnant Brilliant. ^

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 02:26 AM) i wish i could but it takes two to deal and the options seem to be drying up Doc, do you get the sense we've made our final offer to Rizzo or does Kenny have one more Dunn-play he can make, but he's trying like hell to avoid it?

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 02:37 AM) No way. No how. See, I think he would and he will around 2PM CST tomorrow. The Sox and more specifically Ozzie, are tiring of CQ's fragility.