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I want him here because of this. Yes, Shaq actually made that.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ May 26, 2009 -> 09:03 PM) No offense to you, but I'd take Baseball-Reference's word before yours. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pierza.01.shtml That's odd. I got different results both times I ran 1998-2003. Now I get the same as you.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ May 26, 2009 -> 08:53 PM) Wow, this is TOO easy. AJ Pierzynski with the Twins: .301/.341/.447/.788 AJ Pierzynski with the Sox: .274/.315/.418/.733 Maybe you want to look at those numbers again, because AJ actually hit .295/.332/.438/.770 with the Twins. Also, what about his year with the Giants? Is their hitting coach to blame for his .272/.319/.410/.729 year there? If so, hitting coaches should be the highest paid coaches in the game.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 26, 2009 -> 08:38 PM) Evidenced by what? We have seemed to have our fair share of lift and pull hitters over the years.We have a team full of power hitters in a hitter's ballpark. What do you think they're going to do? Try to poke singles the other way?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 26, 2009 -> 01:41 PM) Since I feel we got excellent value for Javier (he's pitching great in Atlanta, but the Sox got very talented prospects in return, how they produce at the ML level, jury is out there, but three guys with major league talent) and were never going to resign Crede it's pretty easy to put Viciedo in as part of the Swisher deal and right now, Viciedo would have a higher trade value than Swisher.I wouldn't say he pitching great... he's doing what he always does. 78 K/15 BB, 1.14 WHIP, yet he somehow manages to be 4-4 with a 3.80 ERA. He also got lit up by the Giants yesterday, in Atlanta.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ May 23, 2009 -> 10:34 AM) The first couple Lumley Necroscope books, for instance. The first two or three were good, then they just got really really weird.

This thread needs pics for comparison's sake.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 22, 2009 -> 11:10 AM) Also, we talking Batting Average here? Really? Have you seen Flowers' OPS? The guy's a below average fielder, but he's learning that damn position and giving you a balls out offensive performance, with AJ reaching his twilight years and swinging at nearly everything can we really afford to complain here? 30 BB, 34 K, .444 OBP, .464 SLG, .268 AVG, .908 OPS sounds pretty good to me, though I would like to see that batting average climb a bit. 30 BB/34 K is really encouraging.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 21, 2009 -> 05:02 PM) And bashing the Sox and slurping the Cubs. Guess what people, the Cubs are in a worse position than us to win over the next 5 years, their roster is old, overpaid and they have ZERO farm talent.Yeah, I don't see how one of Peavy's preferences will magically find prospects and/or money by July. Also Ken Rosenthal is pretty retarded for saying the White Sox deal was worse than the Cubs.

San Diego has got to be pissed. They need to get rid of him asap, and Peavy seems to be obsessed with being traded to teams that can't afford him or don't have the prospects necessary to get him. Either they get nothing for him, or he sticks around and sucks up close to half of the projected team payroll.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 21, 2009 -> 04:49 PM) If still waiting on Heyman, he's much more connected to this than Cowley. Cowley isnt even allowed in the Sox locker room.Agreed. I haven't seen this anywhere else. Perhaps people heard the Sox refused to pay the option and extrapolated that there was no way Peavy was coming here after that.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ May 21, 2009 -> 02:50 PM) The Pittsburgh Penguins...DUH DUH DUHPsh, I made that joke first, but someone deleted my post with the enormous Penguins logo attached.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 21, 2009 -> 02:49 PM) What are they supposed to do, stop trying?Yes.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ May 21, 2009 -> 02:48 PM) They just said on ESPNnews that the sox don't play the Pirates this year. I wonder who we are going to play tomorrow.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 21, 2009 -> 02:46 PM) 20-0That's absolutely disgusting. Hopefully the Sox are getting pissed off, because I know I would be, if a team kept pouring it on even after a game was obviously over.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 21, 2009 -> 02:41 PM) You know in Jake Peavy's funded Jurassic Park I’m sure they'd try to incorporate T-Rex's as servers. That would a poor idea not only are their arms preposterously small, but they'd kill everyone. ...OR WOULD THEY?!?!. (Scroll down a bit to "T. rex: Scavenger or Predator?")

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 21, 2009 -> 02:26 PM) Arent penguins mean as f***?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 21, 2009 -> 02:12 PM) Its more money per season than the White Sox have ever paid anyone. I don't have my mind made up on anything, I've already said this would be KW's best trade if he pulled it off. I said they were cheap (btw the only time I have ever said they were cheap and I've had season tickets 20 years) when KW cut payroll said he had $.50 and wondered how they would pay the electric bill, and now they have the money for Peavy. Guess who is right? Now I'm saying while taking his contract is a good, bold move, guaranteeing the option, which the White Sox will not do, is stupid, and I agree with them 100% on that. Maybe they will broaden the no trade the last couple of years of the deal, but picking up that money is not wise. They can pick it up after he's pitched here for 3 1/2 years.I said it before, and I'll say it again: don't always believe what the Sox say. If one of the other posters on here is right, Kenny's been working on this for something like 11 months. I think that if the option year is the real sticking point, you do it. It's a risk well worth taking.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 21, 2009 -> 01:55 PM) Because we've been through this before when they tried to sign Hunter and then Fukudome. They said they were busting the budget, not that the money was available. If Peavy declines, we will get the same story. If owing a major league pitcher $22 million 4 seasons from now doesn't scream risk to you, nothing will.It's $18 million, not $22. $4 is auto-guaranteed. Also, someone already broke Peavy's contract down in this thread. It's not the horrible albatross you make it out to be, assuming of course Peavy ends up injured or sucking. If you can't see the value in adding a true ace to your rotation via trade, without mortgaging the farm system, for what ends up being a perfectly reasonable contract, then I don't know what to tell you. You've got your mind set on this team being cheap and/or stupid, and nothing will change that. Good luck with it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 21, 2009 -> 01:44 PM) What? Yes to guarantee $22 million for one season 4 years from now is crazy. The $56 million or whatever is left on his contract is a pretty nice committment. This is a guy who has had elbow issues. They have been cheap. They already said they have no money, yet Peavy may be here. If he declines, its not like they are going to spend a bunch of money elsewhere.Yeah, a guy with arm problems who hasn't thrown less than 166 innings since his rookie year, and still managed 173 last year with an ERA of 2.85, then was shut down for precautionary measures. That screams risk to me. How do you know what the Sox going to spend? I didn't see you predicting a possible trade for Peavy in any threads here. What the team says to the media and what they actually do have been radically different since KW became GM; I don't see why this would be any different.

QUOTE (TitoMB345 @ May 21, 2009 -> 01:43 PM) I really can't remember... but didn't we trade Link last year?Nope! Fairly current stats: 2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP CHA (chw) AAA 15 0-0 2.29 19.2 13 9 24 5 1.12

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 21, 2009 -> 01:38 PM) Pitching wins, but to guarantee a $22 million option 4 years from now is insane. If he doesn't want to be here, let him go to play for the Cubbies, I'm already sick of it, although if Broadway is involved .......................................So the Sox are too cheap, but now you don't want them to commit money to an ace?

QUOTE (Markbilliards @ May 21, 2009 -> 01:18 PM) Like an extra point and a half on his ERA once he leaves Petco and comes to the AL at the cell?How do pitchers like Buehrle and 2008 Floyd and Danks and 2005 Contreras and most of our bullpen and so on succeed here, then? Would they all have ERAs below 2 in the NL?

I am refreshing this thread like a madman.

QUOTE (BearSox @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:01 AM) I think Phil Nevin did it a couple years ago. However, I'd hardly consider him a big name. However, oddly enough, he was with the Padres when he declined a trade.I wonder if the fact that this deal is publicized has to do with the chances of Peavy accepting, or just the big name attached to the deal. I also wonder if Peavy is more likely to accept knowing that the whole world knows about the trade now.