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Deal both of them for the swingman version of themselves. Post hype/Underachieving SP type. The money due to Eloy will obv hurt his return. Vaughn being a 5'10 first baseman who can't move or hit will hurt his return. Add two more arms to the scrap heap. Use them along with Kopech/Crochett etc once thru the lineup every third day in April/May. If any of them are having success you could stretch them out as the season progresses if you want to ruin a good thing. I'd replace Vaughn with the best defender available (as I would every position player hole), probably Rizzo. I'd replace Eloy with a smiley face emoji cutout in the dugout.

The Sox are not one Trevor Bauer away from winning the World Series. If the final piece to the puzzle is a high upside, high risk SP with the reputation for being unliked by teammates... and I thought the clubhouse could absorb the personality.... then maybe. But right now? Fat chance.

Bauer is guilty of being dumb enough to let a girl like that get close to him. Bauer is guilty of being unliked by his peers and the media. Teach your kids that if you are dumb and piss enough people off, they will come for you, regardless if you are deserving or not. The MLBPA, the Dodgers and the media (specifically baseball media) should be ashamed of themselves and I hope they pay dearly. If Bauer comes back to the MLB I hope he tries to opt out of the union or something to shed light on how they treated him.

From complaining that he was being disrespected by his current deal, to saying anything possible to remain in his current deal. Bye Tim

So you want the coaches that you don't like to "coach up players". You want the GM that you don't like to make a couple trades. And you want the Sox to draft well even though you say they don't draft well. Sounds like you'd like them to start fresh with a rebuild, you just don't realize it.

I completely get it. But if you don't trust them to do either... Pretend Jerry made the right hires this go around. Payroll stays around the same. What would you want the new front office to do? I think that answer is deal Robert/Cease, tank for 2 years, buy some prospects via bad contracts and regroup. So I guess that is what I hope Getz is planning to do.

The perfect storm of mediocrity, valuable controlled assets and recent success on the north side afforded the previous front office a uniquely supportive fanbase for a complete rebuild. Now seven years later, that golden ticket opportunity has clearly been squandered and the fanbase seems dead set against rebuilding again. Sox internet lambastes: “Until Jerry is gone, nothing will change, so what is the point”. If that is the sentiment, why not rebuild? Are fans excited to enter the lose-lose Jack Flaherty and Amed Rosario sweepstakes this winter, only for any veteran signing to move the Sox expected World Series needle odds by 0.5%? I understand and share in the helplessness we all feel right now, but we have to play the hand we are dealt, no matter how many Jerry Jokers we are holding. For me it is simple, the options are: A. Enjoy watching Luis Robert for three more seasons, likely with zero chance at winning a World Series, and only a slightly better chance at winning a terrible division. B. Trade what little valuable assets the White Sox have (In what could possibly shape up to be a seller’s market) and rebuild. I choose option B by a large margin. I won’t go over the obvious reasons (everyone sucks) and instead offer my outside the box takes on the situation: 1. Rebuilding slightly minimizes the Jerry Reinsdorf effect. You can’t miss out on free agents you aren’t try to sign. Tony La Russa can’t manage players you haven’t drafted yet. 2. I believe the MLB doesn’t love tanking or complete tear downs and will continue to put rules in place to disincentive clubs from doing so. Being one of the last organizations to possibly attempt a teardown would be +EV. I’d also love to see a front office acquire bad contracts from teams, matched with prospects, especially from clubs that are attempting to avoid Luxury Tax penalties. I also assume the minute that becomes a thing, MLB will be there to put an end to it. Doing that this offseason would obviously beat the league to the punch. 3. A sale of the club feels at least a few years away. Why not minimize liabilities and hope to be as attractive of an asset as possible? Adding a Benintendi super splash signing a year to the books for the next few years could severely hamper any instant impact a new ownership group might have. 4. The Sox were picking 11th in year 1 of the rebuild last party. They will have a much better pick next year and would be close to a lock for at least one more top 4 pick before things got better. 5. After a phenomenal season and with a contract that only gets shorter, it is significantly more likely you are selling high on Robert than it is that you are selling low. Do we all wish it wasn't Chris Getz in charge of a possible rebuild? Sure. But does it mean we should just watch Luis Robert play for a 60-70 win team for 3 more years and then jump off a bridge?

I'm very pro-cash but if service workers have it so bad that they can't afford to report cash tips or they will be broke, they likely aren't paying much income tax if all of their income was on the books anyways.

Getz playing hardball. I still wonder about his weird social media posts last year. Never really got any explanation on that garbage, but if he legitimately was accusing the Sox of treating him like a slave I'm good just burying him in AAA for two more years before cutting him. I was surprised he wasn't traded. Maybe that mess really was a misunderstanding?

Take a 250mm investment at a 2.5bn valuation from a Japanese investment bank in exchange for 10% equity and any new advertising revenue generated in Asia, contingent on sining Ohtani. Use the new funds to cover the first four or five years of a massive Shohei contract. Jerry allegedly doesn’t even want to sell the team until after he dies for tax purposes, so the equity has little to no impact for years and easily could pay for itself and then some by the time the family gets around to selling. Minority owners lose equity, but gain short term revenue at no current cost as well as a handsome valuation bump. Employing the greatest player of all time during any negotiation process for an extension with IFSA and ultimately as leverage to build a new ballpark can’t hurt? You might make a case that a few hundred million could easily swing one way or the other during the next decade of Sox Park drama which would make even the most absurd Ohtani contract projections seem reasonable. Seems to me like you should get in the race Jerry.

Using twitter exclusively to troll sox math is a good start.

I watched Clayton Kershaw face Luis Robert on a side field at Camelback about 5 years ago. Getz was sitting next to me on the park district style bleachers. Instead of watching he was playing Candy Crush on his phone.

It allows gunshot victims to retailiate which is very fair.

Flying under the radar now but this could be a historically bad moment for the organization. I think we might find out how powerful Jerry is based on how this story is told and how far it runs. If the bullet did indeed travel a mile, it is more of an indictment on Chicago in general but will the story be portrayed that way?

Pitch Kopech once thru the lineup every 3rd day next year.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. We've been fooled again.

Hiring a 60 year old vet mildly increases the chances that Jerry is stripping the cupboard and preparing for a sale. You don't bring in anyone interesting with grand ideas and outside the box plans just to handcuff them. Moore screams caretaker during the sales process. Kind of surprised Jerry didn't go for a woman or minority hire here, especially if he is throwing in the towel.

Jerry probably talked to about 3 people to decide if he should replace KW/RH. Then hired one of them. Next lap dog up.

Unfortunately, this is part of the game owners have to play when it comes time for a new stadium. Buckle up for 5+ years of this craziness. I'd love a new park, am definitely open to new locations, I just hope new owners are eventually the ones building the new stadium.

You know what is classy? Publicly bad-mouthing a past employer, attempting to access employee only benefits, then publicly complaining some more.

Fan is short for fanatic. Fanatics are obsessive, bordering on insane. It is completely expected behavior for a fanatic to want to burn it all down when we've reached an almost hopeless stage. Sounds like you enjoy attending baseball games, especially local baseball games. A fanatic that is pulling their hair out right now seems like more of a "true fan" to me. I went yesterday and was miserable. I think if someone had put a red button in front of me and said "if you push this button the team moves to nashville" I would have had to tie my hands behind my back or I would have mashed that move button so hard.

The guys that won't be here next year... should be sent packing now.

Which door do you choose: Door #1: Two 20 year old players that are owed just the minor league minimum. Door #2: Two 14 year old international signees that require $400k in signing bonuses. The Sox choose Door #1. Not only did the Dodgers choose Door #2, but they gave up 2 players just for the right to choose Door #2.

Pardon my ignorance, but we have given away the right to spend money, in exchange for guys that have already been paid their signing bonus by LAD? And they are willing to give them away just for the right to spend more money next period? This has to be bad. Like it can't not be bad. Edit: is there any possible chance the LAD have a glut of players at the A level and these two have nowhere to go? So when they didn't get dealt at the deadline, they are turning them into more or better ACL guys? I mean, if so, the Dodgers obviously can't love them, but it makes it slightly possible this wasn't just a money saving move by the Sox.

Selling high is not allowed on Sox twitter. Should have traded bad players making tons of money for top pitching prospects.