LittleHurt05

This is pretty cool, good for Sergio to make it after his struggles in the minors: MDGonzales Santos pitching the 8th. about 160 family members and friends in the stands rooting for him in the upper deck.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 04:41 PM) Usually I root against the Twins in the playoffs this year I wouldn't mind seeing them win so that Thome can get a WS championship. This. I can't stand them and always root against them in the playoffs. "Six division titles don't mean a thing without the ring" (Copyright Ron Harper) But it would be great to see Thome finally get the ring that Joe Table lost him.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 12:31 PM) See, it doesn't work like that. The Sox may only be 2 games better, but the Twins would also be (atleast) 2 games worse. In the most conservative of scenarios, that leaves the Sox at 7 games back. Still dead to rights, but it's not 11 games. Looking at a better case scenario, Thome may have been worth 3 wins to the White Sox, may be worth 4 wins to the Twins, and Mark Kotsay, who could be worth -2 losses, leaves the Sox 2 games back right now. And, perhaps had they had Thome instead of Kotsay, they may have been up 5-8 games on the Twins at some point, and it may have either forced the Twins hand into trying something out of line for what they do (getting too aggressive and dealing Slowey or Baker along with Hicks and another minor leaguer for Cliff Lee) or perhaps feeling that it wouldn't be worth it to try and get back into the race and maybe sell off a piece or two. Beyond that, the Sox may have felt that their division lead was big enough that they didn't need to trade for Edwin Jackson, and because they already had a good DH, they wouldn't have had to acquire Manny Ramirez, and those moves right there save the Sox about $5 mill this year and about $8 million next year. I could go on and on about the ramifications from not signing Thome, and even still it's all hypotheticals and could-of's, but not signing Thome was an absolutely monstrosity of a failure, and anybody who tries to justify it because the "Sox would have lost the division anyways" is looking at this in a completely short-sighted manner and trying to make it seem like it wasn't a big deal when quite clearly it was a huge deal. How do you know the Sox are two games better with Thome? I doubt he comes here and hits the way he did in Minnesota. Maybe having him in the lineup forces Paulie to play more 1st base, and he doesnt have the career year he is having. How do you know the Twins would be 2 games worse? You have no idea who they would have brought in to fill the roster spot Thome used. And maybe without Thome on the roster, lineups work out differently, and maybe Morneau doesn't get concussed in Toronto, thus having him in the lineup would cancel out a lot of what Thome contributed. I agree that not signing Thome was a big mistake, but it was one of many reason why the Twins are division champs. However, you can't just throw these numbers around assuming everything else about each team would stay the same if Thome switched. He was worth 3 or 4 wins to the Twins in the position he was put in, but that does not mean he would be worth the same to the Sox, nor does it mean the Twins would automatically be 3 or 4 games worse without him.

Juan P.

Paulie K

Manny "Singles Machine" Ramirez

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 24, 2010 -> 12:07 AM) This thread rules. I love chaos and confusion. I really enjoyed the fact that a discussion started comparing the power hitting abilities of Juan Pierre vs. Ozzie Guillen.

QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 10:55 PM) Was that Blossom on Big Bang? There's a washed up child actress turned porn star joke somehwere in this comment, right?

QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 04:58 PM) third base. Uribe late in 08, Beckham in 09, Crede in 06-07 when his back let him play and Fields in late 08. I'd say they managed to temporarily fill the hole for a while. Its nothing like the CF problems.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 04:28 PM) Ozzie was our best manager in Sox history ... period. Pants Rowland just rolled in his grave

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 02:18 PM) Guillen is the most popular man in a Sox jersey in town. He might be the most popular sports figure in town. He helps put butts in seats. And he's a good manager. How would not signing him to a new contract help the organization? Have you ever heard of the Chicago Bears? The 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks?

QUOTE (Cali @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 12:10 PM) If Lirano doesnt win game 1 of the ALDS I think they're in for another first round exit...If he does you can punch a ticket to the ALCS for certain.... f*** it, why play the whole series then? Liriano vs. Price, winner takes all for a trip to the ALCS

And Jose Bautista hits homer #50. Off of Felix Hernandez no less

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 06:16 AM) Ozzie played good D and sucked at everything else on the baseball field. Watching Ozzie when I was a kid, I do always remember he was excellent at swinging and whiffing at the high fastball. Throw that kid a letter high heater, guaranteed strike 3.

Patriots

Mark & Mark!!!!

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 05:09 PM) Nice comeback, but I hate seeing Thornton pitch 2 innings in a game. Totally, he might not be available on Friday now. Gotta keep pace for the WC.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 04:01 PM) atleast your now going to lose almost 700 dollars if the sox dont win 84 games Ugh, gross. That looked like a lock just a week or so ago. Good luck.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 03:22 PM) Come on Rios! Play some OzzieBall, steal 2nd! My fantasy team is collapsing! Damnit Alex!

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 02:49 PM) Philly: 1.54 million Chicago: 2.8 milllion Even if we are splitting a city it is about even. Factor in more corporate sponsor opportunities being in a large international and national market, the Sox are in just as good, if not a better position than the Phillies if they got their s*** together. Are you kidding me? That ballpark on the North Side is the most popular ballpark in the country (or at least tied with Fenway). As long as that funhouse is stading there on Clark & Addison, the White Sox will never be close to splitting the city even. It is also in what is now one of the liveliest neighborhoods around, which is not to easy to compete with. Also, the population density around Philly on the East Coast is much greater, so they have a larger base of fans all around the Philly area. Philly is only 90 miles from NYC, so I would bet that their corporate sponsor opportunities are just as great if not better. There's no doubt that the Sox need to get their s*** together, especially with development within the organization. It is very true that the Phillies did a good job of coordinating a new ballpark with developing success and talent within the organization to put them in a great position right now. However, the position they are in financially with their payroll is one that very few teams can or will ever be in, no matter their success.

Come on Rios! Play some OzzieBall, steal 2nd! My fantasy team is collapsing!

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 03:02 PM) Viciedo 3-3 career vs. Anderson, shoulda been in there anyway. 4-4 now

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 02:57 PM) Manny's a late scratch. Viciedo 3-3 career vs. Anderson, shoulda been in there anyway.

Ugh. Rios's end of 2010 bringing back memories of 2009.

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