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QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 11:06 AM) I believe they are the raw payrolls not including cash from other teams, but I believe we are still around $5-10 million above the Phillies that year. Which still holds my argument, the Phillies started around the same payroll as the Sox, but with their decisions and organizational philosophy they have been winning at a high level each year, bringing not just local attention but national attention to the team, resulting in being able to afford, for now, the inflated payroll. I do agree that their decisions and success played a big part in that payroll. But so did their six-year old ballpark, with a capacity of 45,000, that sells out nearly every night. As soon as the park opened, they were working in the $90 mil range anyway, so its not like they came from the poor house. At the Sox top success levels, they couldnt even hit 37k per game, and I don't know how much higher that would get with more success. (and I do realize the capacity is only about 40k). I'm not doubting the Phillies organizational success, I am just saying that most other franchises still wouldn't be able to afford the same payroll if they were just as or more successfull than the Phillies the last few years.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 10:11 AM) They built up to that though. It's not like they started at $140 mill. In 2008 we had a payroll over $120 million, the Phillies were a bit under $100 million. That's over a $20 million difference that the Sox were ahead just 2 years ago. They increased that payroll because of the success they had because of their organizational philosophy. Are those payroll figures actual money spent on salary though? I thought the Philles paid a good portion of Thome's salary, which would even out those numbers a bit. Also, were the Sox paying all of Javy's contract or did AZ help with that? The Phillies attendance the last 4 seasons has been 38k, 42k, 44k, & 44k. The highest the Sox have ever reached was 36k when the stadium opened and after the WS. Granted the Cell only fits about 40k, but knowing the history of Sox fans, I doubt they ever reach hit such high attendance numbers consistently, which also limits the payroll.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 03:43 PM) Im sorry getting a DWI in NYC while rich is dumb as f***. Even more true when your employer offers a free 24 hour car service all around NYC.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 09:08 PM) They're the model organization in baseball right now. I fully expect the Phillies to get to the World Series again. And when Cole Hamels is your #3 man, you're pretty much the favorite. I agree that they are doing some great things. But like Balta alluded to, there are only 2, maybe 3 teams with a higher payroll than them, so its not very easy to just model your organization the same way.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 08:41 AM) I think that if there is such a thing as a "Clubhouse culture"...having 2 separate DUI incidents, including one involving the manager...points to some level of irresponsibility/willful turning a blind eye by the manager. Hancock may have started drinking in the clubhouse, but he went to another restaurant and got hammered, so its not like LaRussa pointed him towards his car. His ballplayers are grown ass men, so I have a hard time blaming him when they make bad decisions.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 20, 2010 -> 08:03 PM) Stupid, stupid article here if you want something to laugh at. Yahoo writer has Rose and Durant as the 1st and 2nd most overrated players on his list. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ac-6753654 My favorite part is that the writer criticizes Durant because he "makes turning the ball over a regular occurrence". Last season Durant averaged 4.0 turnovers per 48 minutes. Lets see where he ranks against some other top players & scorers. Nash: 5.3 Howard: 4.6 Wade: 4.3 Deron: 4.3 LeBron: 4.2 Kobe: 3.9 Melo: 3.8 Hmmm.....

Braylon Edwards pulls a Tony LaRussa.

Rios

Anyone elses Twitter acting funny? It looks like it might have gotten hacked or something.

Cole Hamels since the All-Star Break: 5-3, 90.2 IP, 100K, 1.89 ERA, 0.93 WHIP, .202 BAA If he pitches anything like he did in the 08 playoffs, then I think the Phillies have to be the favorite to win it all with that 1-2-3 punch in the rotation.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Sep 20, 2010 -> 04:19 PM) Thanks for the Temperance Lecture guys... Everyone must have watched Boardwalk Empire Sunday night

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Sep 20, 2010 -> 03:08 PM) I don't think 8 games should reflect two teams that have been playing each other since 1456. How long have they have been playing each other has nothing to do with anything. You said that Bears/Packers games are always competitive no matter what their records are. I call bulls*** and tried to show you that 50% of their meetings in the last 4 years have not been competitive. Do you remember the New Years Eve night game in 2006? That was the least competitive piece of s*** football game I have ever seen. The Bears were prepping for the playoffs and wanted nothing to do with playing that game. There have been past scores in the rivalry of 61-7, 49-0, 40-3, 45-7 among others. Many of their games have been close and competitive but there have been several occurences where one team just wasn't on the same level as the other and gets run off the field. It's possible the Packers do it on Monday. I hope not but to say it never happens in the series is a stretch.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 20, 2010 -> 02:14 PM) I think you guys take Ozzie for granted, but you will get your wish. In my mind, I think this is playing out it's 90-10 he's gone to Florida. So the question is, who does Jerry turn to for next season? Is it simply going to be Cora, or does he go for Torre? I would prefer Torre. No guarantees we'll win s***, but after the volatile Oz, we probably need to go calmer and then after he retires at 70, we can go back to Oz, hopefully with a successful 10 years of Torre under our belts.Problem is Jerry will really have to pay big bucks to get Torre. Huge bucks. Torre just turned 70. He will not be managing for another 10 years.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Sep 20, 2010 -> 01:29 PM) The Bears could 0-15 and the Packers 15-0 and it would be a competitive game. Other way around too. 4 of their last 8 meetings have been 19 point or higher blowouts

Konerko

QUOTE (stretchstretch @ Sep 19, 2010 -> 09:56 PM) no sarcasm here, just trying to figure out why anyone would post the Sox natl TV schedule on Sept19th, when they are an abysmal 10 games back and looking as bad as any of us have seen them in years..? Most people here want a White Sox break, not a reminder of any kind. Maybe cause people enjoy watching their favorite baseball team that they dont get to see live very often??? The same reason I just yelled at the TV for AJs 9th inning groundout even though I live in Chicago and get to watch games daily. Even though the Sox got beat by the Twins this year doesn't mean that Sox fans can't still enjoy their favorite team.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 19, 2010 -> 10:27 PM) Bunch of quitters ! I thought the Sox quit and just gave Minny the division...

Wild Pitch!!! Danks doesnt get the L!!!! Woohoo!

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 19, 2010 -> 10:24 PM) Paulie Paulie Paulie Paulie Paulie !

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2010 -> 03:08 PM) Bears 2-0 Packers 2-0 Vikings 0-2 Thanks for the sig for the week. How nice is it to not have Ron Turner or John Shoop as your OC? Just the little adjustments Martz made were incredible compared to the old regimes.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 19, 2010 -> 10:16 PM) or, you know, the Manning Bowl became a blow out? Or because I wanna make sure Danks does not get the L in my fantasy league

I'm here to keep my game thread going!!!!! Lets go White Sox!!!!!

Omar Vizquel

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Sep 19, 2010 -> 12:45 AM) I say: "o-p-s" "o-b-p" "era" as a word. "slug" for SLG. "average" for avg "war" for WAR. and whenever I see UZR, I can't help but read it as "user" or something like that. How do you pronounce that? I always thought everyone said "E-R-A". I have never heard anyone say it as a word.

Wow. We have a football game again in Tuscon. How does he miss that extra point?