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QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Apr 19, 2010 -> 02:37 PM) The point is that his CAREER babip is .322. And Juan Pierre's is .317.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Apr 19, 2010 -> 02:27 PM) You'd think so, but I'll bet there are also a few low BABIP players who just hit a ton of weak grounders. here's an example http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF here's another example of a guy maybe we made the wrong decision with in the offseason, based on his BABIP http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF Pods overachieved last year, his career BABIP was .322 heading into last year and he overachieved it by nearly 19 points. You simply can't make player decisions based on BABIP. It's not a stat that's a deciding factor for much of anything. It just tells you what type of hitter the player is and sometimes, how lucky or unlucky he was due to sample size disparity.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 19, 2010 -> 02:26 PM) This team is built around power? Really. Maybe they think that, but its not true. We have a lot of guys who have some pop, but I wouldn't consider them power hitters. Kotsay, Rios, AJ, Beckham, Pierre, Teahan, Ramirez are not power hitters. Konerko. Quentin and hell even Jones are power hitters. This team should definately trend toward the norm in BABIP and not be this out of wack. Our team should be more line drive oriented with our guys. And before someone throws out the luck standpoint of BABIP. We must be the most unlucky team then, because we have trended towards the bottom in the league in BABIP for the last 3 years. Notice how the article says "since 2007". I was not referring to only this 2010 team. BABIP is something that is specific to each individual hitter when you talk about offense, it's dependent upon the style of hitter. The White Sox have a bunch of fly ball and ground ball hitters and not enough guys who emphasize on line drives. Rios and Beckham might be the only ones that have very high LD%. Last year, the Sox were last in LD%. In 08 they were 21st. In 07 they were 27th. We've also led the league in FB% back in 08 and last year, we were 7th. This team's low BABIP makes sense. It's the sacrifice you have to make when you have Greg Walker as your hitting coach and you play in one of the smallest ballparks in baseball.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 19, 2010 -> 02:00 PM) Except Juan Pierre is a flyball hitter without having any power... Juan Pierre hits 55% of his balls in play into the ground. He's a dead ground ball hitter.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 19, 2010 -> 01:05 PM) Well, the Rays just completed their smackdown of the Red Sox to the tune of a 4-game sweep in Boston. They now have the same record as the **gulp** White Sox. There's a good reason not to panic right there.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 19, 2010 -> 08:05 AM) That dude is such a scumbag. Seriously, now that he is in the NL, he needs to get drilled every f***ing time he's at bat. I don't know why nobody has done anything yet. Lincecum or Cain should take him to town the next time he pitches against San Fran.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Apr 19, 2010 -> 12:54 PM) http://www.southsidesox.com/2010/4/19/1430141/babip-math I looked for this elsewhere (sorry if I missed it), and was originally going to post this in the catch all, but I think it's just too big of an issue and deserves its own thread, especially since the article seems to indicate it's a 3+ year ongoing thing. When identifying offensive players, the article would seem to suggest that we are overlooking BABIP in favor of oversimplifying our needs based on stats like OPS. Since 2007, we have been near last in the category of BABIP, and the article further suggests that it's not possible that we are just "unlucky" over the course of three seasons, that's there's basically a 3% chance that living outside of the norm can be atributed to "luck". The poster child for a stat like this is Paul Konerko, whose career BABIP is .281. The league average BABIP is between .290 and .300. This is a guy who hits enough home runs, certainly has a high enough OBA, and seems to have a batting average and slg about where it should be. However, he's apparently not hitting enough "plain old hits" and that's what the white sox need more of. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=1B Surprisingly, Carlos Quentin also has an extremely low BABIP over the course of his career thus far, despite a fine OPS. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF Ironically, a guy like Alex Rios will allegedly help us in our cause (he has a way above average career BABIP). This would seem pretty obvious. This team is built around power. Power hitters usually have very low BABIPs since they hit more fly balls than anything else and fly balls are the least likely to yield a hit other than a home run.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 19, 2010 -> 12:13 PM) Wait, that's it? Considering we had a lead in almost every game so far, it's not that surprising. The Pythagorean W-L% would have us at .500, most likely.

I just noticed that Boston is 4-8. They've scored 6 runs less than we have (they did play one less game, still, 6 runs is a decent amount in one game). They have a run differential of -13, we have a differential of -2. To be fair, Boston has played much better teams, but you have to imagine that the people in Boston are also freaking out. They're also not hitting, just like us. So I guess we're not the only ones here that's really underachieving.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 19, 2010 -> 09:27 AM) When did AJ randomly try to hurt people? When he supposedly kneed his trainer back in 04...?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 18, 2010 -> 09:42 PM) wcsox has been suggesting $20 million/3 years for Konerko. I think that's fair, it doesn't insult it him, it keeps the 2nd most popular Sox player (#1 to 1/3rd) in the fold. However, I do think two years with option/s for the 3rd would be the route I would take at his age, and with the uncertain economic future of the franchise. The long-term deal has turned out to be something of a financial straightjacket for the team, along with Contreras as well. If the minor league guys had to bet, I don't think they'd see Viciedo as being ready in 2011 (yes, the jury's far from out, but premature evaluation is murky at best), and Flowers would have to be converted mid-year or in the AFL to 1B. It's somewhat fair. I don't want him back for 3 more years, the salary amount makes sense.

I have no problem with KW, I have a problem with KW listening to Ozzie. I don't think Ozzie wanted Rios or Beckham on the team last year.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 18, 2010 -> 01:25 PM) Would we really offer the GM job to Stone? Something needs to be done, but I would prefer to keep Williams over Guillen. Seriously, I would rather see DJ, Ventura, McDowell, Fisk or even Lance Johnson managing this team over Guillen at this point. I'd actually rather have Walker as the manager, too. Or Cooper. Just not Cora. Just get Rick Hahn to take over.

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ Apr 18, 2010 -> 01:10 PM) "Chance to win" is different than shutting the other team down. Obviously you can't ask them to pitch shutouts all the time but still. Cleveland scored 2 runs in 4 games against Texas and Detroit. They're a terrible offense. Only in Buehrle's first start did we hold them under 3 runs. That's 1 out of 6 games, whereas against other teams they were held under 3 runs in 4 out of 6 games. When your starting pitching is allowing 3 runs in 6-7 innings, they're giving you a chance to win. You can't expect the entire pitching staff to post sub-3 ERAs, that's just unrealistic.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 18, 2010 -> 01:07 PM) As much crap as Ozzie is getting, Kenny Williams has done a HORRIBLE job as our GM since the Quentin trade. That's because he's listening to a man with a middle school education from a third world country.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 18, 2010 -> 01:00 PM) Our starting pitching has underachieved so far. They've given us no chance to win in about 33% of the starts. The Sox had a lead in the first 7 games. Until the game where Peavy gave up 7 runs, it was doing a fine job. I've only counted 3 starts where our staff has not given us a chance to win. 3/13 is not a bad percentage.

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ Apr 18, 2010 -> 12:52 PM) The thing about the 0-8 record when scoring 3 or less is more an indictment on the pitching staff than anything else. I mean, we all knew the offense would suck and low scoring games would be common place. But I think that most of us would think that with our pitching staff, we can pull some of these games out, at least some of the time. Even if we won 2 of those 8, we'd be 6-6 right now. Basically, the pitching was supposed to carry this team. I don't think it has. It's hard to have a ERA under 3, you can't expect that of your pitching staff for the whole year. The fact that our crappy ass offense is in most of these games is more indicative of our pitching staff doing its job.

I think right now might be a good time to overreact, if not just give up on the season for a week or until they start playing better. This is just a f***ing waste of my time, to which I don't have much of.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Apr 18, 2010 -> 02:22 AM) Anyone see that Vicente Padilla hit on Aaron Rowand? http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/video/pl...tent_id=7491673 Wound up suffering two small fractures in his left cheekbone and a mild concussion. Padilla just walked around like a douchebag.

This team is a wreck.

QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 17, 2010 -> 10:58 PM) MLB.com comment that I thought was funny: All those comments are the suck.

QUOTE (Brian @ Apr 17, 2010 -> 10:11 PM) That's what Sundays are for. I have other plans for tomorrow.

QUOTE (Brian @ Apr 17, 2010 -> 10:00 PM) Where you been? Ha I was studying for my exam on Monday...? I also noticed that Jimenez throw a no hitter...Damn, what a historic day.

Maybe Ozzie should decide to take all that information and use it correctly... Since when was ignorance a good thing...?

20 innings, holy hell.