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QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 09:57 PM) Can't steroids effect skin pigmentation? I seriously thought I read that. It appears that steroids can affect everything.

Sammy's becoming the next Michael Jackson.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 07:11 PM) Thats insane, don't you have to actually win the award to be a gold glover? Hes not that good No, because Gold Gloves are crap.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 06:28 PM) This just sucks. Beckham had turned himself into a damn good defender at 3B. Teahen sucks at third base. Move f***ing Teahen to second and platoon him with Getz. WTF with Teahen being named our third baseman? Why does KW love Teahen who can't field and is not a good enough hitter to be playing 3B?? He should be platooning with NIX at second. My god. So defensively both 3B and SS next season will be atrocious on paper. I also don't like the idea of facing Fields and Getz in so many games. They will have so much motivation against us. KC really should try to sign Dye on the cheap and have him conclude his career there where he played before. They'd have 3 Sox in the starting lineup. Weird. He's even worse at 2B than he is at 3B. You don't want that. Realistically, he should be playing RF or LF.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 05:36 PM) I just know we're going to hate seeing Getz in the 8th/9th innings for the next 5 years. He's one of those guys who will just keep burning us. Getz owned the Royals in a couple of games last year if I'm not mistaken.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 05:12 PM) Teahen To The White Soxby Dave Cameron - November 5, 2009 - Share this Article Dayton Moore has made a lot of bad trades and been roundly criticized for a lot of his decisions as the Kansas City GM. Today, though, we stand and applaud, because he reportedly kicked off the off-season with a fantastic deal for his club, sending 3B/OF Mark Teahen to the White Sox for 2B Chris Getz and DH Josh Fields. Let’s start with Teahen. He’s been rumored to be trade bait for a couple of years now, as he had been displaced by Alex Gordon at third base and split time between the infield and the outfield looking for a permanent home. A large part of the reason he hasn’t been able to land at any single spot on the diamond is because he just isn’t very good. Teahen is 28-years-old and has accumulated 2,732 plate appearances in the big leagues. He has a career .269/.331/.419 line that works out to a .327 wOBA, which makes him a slightly below average hitter. He’s just average across the board. He makes some contact, he walks a little bit, he has some gap power, and he runs okay, but he’s not good at any one particular offensive skill. A league average bat has value if he can help a team out defensively, but Teahen isn’t a great defender. His UZR at third base is downright terrible, which is why it should be no surprise that the White Sox apparently plan on using him as an outfielder. He’s okay in a corner, but he’s nothing special, and the combination of an average bat and average defense in a corner outfield spot makes for a below average player overall. That’s basically what we see with Teahen. He’s accumulated +5.0 WAR over his career, working out to just over +1 win per full season. He’s a useful major league player, but not one that should be starting regularly on a club that wants to win. When you factor in that he’s a second year arbitration eligible player, likely due for a 2010 salary of around $5 million or so, Teahen is basically a zero value asset. His cost is about the same as his contribution. That Kenny Williams gave up Getz and Fields for the right to pay Teahen about what he’s worth is kind of crazy. Both of the two players going to KC have flaws – Getz lacks power and Fields can’t play defense – but they’re cheap and have a little upside beyond what they’ve shown in the majors. Fields has serious home run power and could add some value as a slugging 1B/DH type for the league minimum. Getz makes a bunch of contact and can play second base adequately. Both are role players or fringe starters, but they make the league minimum and offer some useful skills. The two players Moore got back from KC aren’t franchise changers – they’re just useful parts to have around in spring training when putting a roster together. Teahen is just not someone that should be making significant money, and given his arbitration status, he’s basically a non-value asset. The White Sox could have acquired a similar or better player by just spending the $5 million they’ll give him in free agency without sacrificing any talent. This is the right move for the Royals, clearing payroll and bringing in some younger talent that could help the team in the future. For the White Sox, this is yet another sign of the questionable talent evaluation methods used by Kenny Williams. There was no reason to give up anything of value for Teahen. All he’s done with this move is give himself a right fielder who shouldn’t play everyday and open up a bigger hole at second base. I honestly think that around $2 million for Teahen is decent. Cameron's main argument of why this deal would be bad is that we would be paying Teahen around $4 million this year. That's not the case anymore.

QUOTE (Chi Town Sox @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 04:59 PM) Imagine LBJ and Al Jefferson - WOAH Imagining is about as far as everybody should go. Who the hell wants to play in Minnesota?

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 04:57 PM) Olivo, I believe, did have issues with Ozzie. Can't see him walking through that door. Hasn't Crisp been hurt several times in recent years. We have enough issues problems with CQ. Crisp sucked with the Royals. He'd be a low risk player with all the injuries he's had. Good glove, good speed, decent bat. He wouldn't cost more than a couple of million with a incentive laden deal I believe.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 07:14 AM) Yeah right, that wasnt even close to a foul. It was a correct call. But that was LBJ...

Kenny telling us that Teahen will start at 3B instead of a corner OF position tells me we're in the market for a RF. I really doubt we start the season with Jordan Danks or any other in-system prospect at a corner OF position or even CF. It also tells me that Figgins is a now a pipe-dream.

QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 03:20 PM) Yeah sabermatricians spent lots of time and effort to make a metric that solely devalues good players and adds value to weak players. Sabermetrics is a serious thing, people aren't just pulling numbers out of their asses, it's all (well the better stuff anyway) meticulously thought over and researched. Your statement here is actually very ignorant, just take a few minutes to look into the framework behind UZR and if you know anything about baseball it will be very apparent to you just how much sense it makes. "if you watch the players play, you can tell who is good and who is not" This really isn't the case with most people, you may think that you are forming your own opinion on a player by watching them but really you're being heavily influenced by what you hear (it's amazing how many people share the same opinions as the crackpot Hawk Harrelson). Then you have the problems of sample size, let's say you watched 10 Texas Rangers games this year, you wouldn't be in a position to form an accurate opinion on any of their players, you might watch Ian Kinsler go 10-50 in that span with a .200/.250/.325 slash line and 8 errors, would this mean that he was a bad player? No, you would need to defer to his body of work, i.e. the stats. The issue with the eye-test is exactly what you mentioned. Plus, people tend to go ape-s*** over spectacular plays. A good example is Torii Hunter. Once you make a couple great plays, you are forever a hero to Baseball Tonight Web Gems and people will forever engrave you into the awesome fielders hall of fame.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 03:16 PM) WOW so that's KW's plan. He say's it improves defense across the board but that' s assuming Beckham is better then Getz and Teahan is better then Beckham at 3rd. It's possibly true and hopefully true but at this point it's just not true. So it's a fairly young infield with PK being the lone exception and power potential of 15-20+ per man. It would be very hard for any team to take on Konerko's salary . So if he get's traded can't really expect much of anything but salary relief. Anyone think there's a chance of Paulie being non tendered ? Is that even possible and if it is, does that relieve the Sox of any contractual obligations to him ? Teahen isn't better than Gordon at 3B. Gordon improved dramatically at 3B last year. In fact, for the last two months, he played above average defense. Both in my eyes and with UZR.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 01:12 PM) DeJesus would be a pretty bad fit IMO since he's not really a CF. And for the thousandth time (from me) PLEASE no Quentin in RF. Carlos was pretty damn good in RF with Arizona. I don't know why we shouldn't give him a chance there. Besides, watching him run for balls down the line really sucks with his foot problems. He doesn't have to run as much in RF since there are far less left handed pull hitters than there are right handed pull hitters who hit rockets down the line.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 02:48 PM) So Teahen + 2 million for Getz and a free spot on the 40 man. Teahen could make this worth it, but it's kind of a "Walk will fix him" situation isn't it? Teahen won't need much fixing if he plays half of his games at the Cell.

QUOTE (striker62704 @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 11:01 AM) Milwaukee gets Gomez. Good trade for the Twins IMO. Wasn't much of a Gomez fan. YES, NO MORE CARLOS GOMEZ!!!!!!!!!! On the bad side, Hardy's a decent player. Just incredibly inconsistent.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 09:59 PM) The superstar treatment only works so many times. LeBron used it when he traveled and got a foul called on Kirk. Shaq used it when he pounced on Gibson and then stared at him as if he were an appetizing meal about ot be consumed. If I remember correctly, the foul Shaq committed on Gibson wasn't even a shooting foul. Shaq shoved him out of bounds when he was about to go up for a shot. WTF?

Bulls got a generous call there at the end. Win's a win though. Oh and Deng's ball definitely did hit the rim. It ended up evening out.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 08:26 PM) for me it wasnt the hair, it was the look. Plus, last year when he won his cy young award he looked RIPPED at his press conference. You can see the pot in his eyes! Seriously.

QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 06:55 PM) He projected Chris Davis to hit .300 with 40 homers this year. James goes way overboard on the young players. The problem with Davis is that he just swings at everything. Flowers may strike out a lot, but he's also selective.

I knew Lincecum was a stoner.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 01:48 PM) LMAO http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/yankee-stadi...-tomorrow-26827 Epic lulz

Not a horrible deal. He played up to the price this past season.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 11:24 AM) Yes, nine year-old Yankee fans finally have a championship. http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/11/9...r-championship/ Kinda funny. My 7 year old brother never witnessed anything like this before. xD

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 10:57 AM) Maybe JR is going to spend more money than many of us think. Adding 4 million for Teahen, while at the same time creating a hole in the infield, isn't pinching pennies. Here's hoping for 120 million payroll and a ws ring. Give Kenny 120 million and he'll win you two World Series rings with the team we have now. That would mean two big free agent signings.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 10:48 AM) If Hamels can figure anything out and Happ develops like a rookie starter should, this Phillies team could easily be back next year. Remember, they get Lee a full year next year. I doubt Happ develops. Sophomore slump is more likely. He overperformed this year to say the least.