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QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Aug 22, 2017 -> 09:26 PM) But he would consider staying if they could win the East AND get the first or second pick. Remember, they don't have to give up anything to get the pick, they could still have keep IT (who could re-sign on a friendly deal) and Crowder beyond 2018 and the pick is just a bonus. IT is absolutely not signing a team friendly deal. Lebron is 100% gone to a super team in LA

Celts held on to the Brooklyn pick to make a move like THIS? Christ And the Cavs fall ass backwards into the #1 pick for the 700th time as well. Awesome.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Aug 22, 2017 -> 07:22 PM) and the current labor deal puts caps on that. the system is designed to give 28 year olds mega contracts. Which will also never change. The NFLPA needs to hire whatever lawyer negotiated the MLBPA CBA

QUOTE (credezcrew24 @ Aug 22, 2017 -> 04:55 PM) It seems like exactly the kind of free agent deal the White Sox would look for. A cheap veteran roster spot who must have enjoyed working with Coop that is flippable. Hoping the 'magic' of Coop fixing Kahnle/Swarzak/Clippard entices more guys to sign 1 year deals this off-season (ignore Holland & Shields)

Teams in general need to get away from giant contracts to 28+ year old dudes, only way anything changes and teams stop being crippled by 34 year old league average players making 20m. Take all that money and invest in your scouting/development.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Aug 22, 2017 -> 12:49 PM) I'd love to see the Sox sign Rodon before he consistently performs to his ability as well, but it ain't happening. Of course, Boras Corp doesn't do those deals in most cases, but Rodon's fiancee has been blabbing to Sox fans in a Twitter group how they love Chicago but they will see "when we hit free agency." Even so, Sox have him for four more years after this. I think he's the most important player in the organization to the rebuild not named Moncada/Kopech/Jimenez. I imagine Boras chirps in his ear not to end up like Sale & Q who were making about half of what they could have been

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 22, 2017 -> 12:31 PM) There are still people that don't think Abreu is good. I understand that it's 1B and he's not a superstar but he's slashing .299/.348/.538. He's on pace for another 30 homer season with a wRC+ of 132 which is 2nd best in his career and a .371 wOBA. I don't think the argument is good vs. bad. I think it's solid aging DH vs. elite piece we could trade for a huge return.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 07:50 PM) Good lord. Why did so many people want a rebuild if they can't handle a few months of bad play from a rookie? All top prospects acquired for Sale/Q/Eaton must be instant stars or the trade was a failure and they shoulda just kept that core and "went for it" again.

QUOTE (Tony @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 07:10 PM) 22 years old Shin splints, collision with Garcia, thumb injury Less than 150 MLB AB's Been in a new city for less than a month Still holding a .320 OBP But lets completely write him off and already talk about how the Sale trade was a mistake. There's always huge risk any time you acquire the #1 prospect in baseball, the likely #1 2018 pitching prospect in baseball. Hahn shoulda aimed higher

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 09:37 AM) Didn't really spend time reading the responses - but no chance in hell Nicky Delmonico is a contributing member of this team in 2020. Every year there is someone new we think could be a player that sticks around on this board.. Last year it was Saladino and how he just had the "it" factor and knew how to play the game right. How he could play 3B for 3 seasons+ or be a starter on the diamond. Saladino is just another 2-3 year UTIL player and will be gone soon. Same with Yolmer. There were positives earlier in the year and it got thrown around that HE could be the solution at UTIL. He is no better, actually probably worse than Saladino in my opinion. Players than have a chance to contribute into 2020 currently on Sox: Abreu - DH with some time (60) game at 1B Moncada - temper expectations. #1 prospect means nothing now that he'll never be on that list again. He's just a former #1. He's going to be a slightly above average player with the chance to have a few really good years. Anderson - Super UTIL - SS, 2B, 3B, CF - I give him next year to prove himself. Hopefully we wont need him as our starting SS. He's a guy who should play 90-100 games a year in UTIL role Hansen - this is my hail mary. Let him play a lot next year. If it clicks? Good. I think he can play the super UTIL role then as well. For those of you who think this is crazy - he was a more highly touted prospect than the above Anderson. I'd be hard pressed to say in a full year that either is much better than the other. Leury - Same - can fight for the super UTIL role. Rodon - #2 or 3 N. Jones - set up man if not dealt That's it in my mind. Players who won't be on team or shouldn't be... Avi - sorry. Don't want him. don't need him. He can be our 7-9 type of player, but don't want him as a key to our success. Davidson - please don't tell me how MLB is an all or nothing league - he's a nothing. 35HRS a year doesn't mean s*** if you strikeout 35% of time Delmonico - Nope. I consider myself to be extremely pessimistic but I have to ask...why do you even watch if all it takes is a bad month or 2 for a guy to be completely done?

Did they say which game of the DH?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 01:03 PM) .294 with 23 homers, 75 RBI and OBP of .346 this season after three straight 100 RBI seasons. He could have 100 RBI four straight seasons. He's pretty damn special. OK, how bout 2-3 cant miss type prospects? No, he's not special. He's an aging solid hitting DH who will likely see a steady decline in the coming years.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 12:37 PM) He's not a free agent til after the 2019 season. He makes 11 million this year. If the Sox are truly enjoying the rebuild in terms of saving dollars, wouldn't the front office trade him this winter for 3-4 more can't miss type prospects? Arbitration eligible, you'd figure he will have to be paid at least 15 million in 2018 and 2019. I guess they can make him an offer of 12 million by Dec. 1 but you'd think that's kind of an insult since the payroll is so low. The Sox, who figure to finish last again next year and arguably could suck in 2019, could save about 30 million bucks by trading Jose for prospects. Again, the fans love prospects and in this day and age the front office can play the "decline after the age of 30" card in explaining why they've traded Jose. Personally I think he should lead the team in 2020 but we are going to find out how much in love Jerry is with making money because Jose is ticketed for a nice payday this offseason. He didn't decide to enter the arbitration system not wanting to get a healthy raise over the projected 11.5 he was gonna make next year. Interesting ... will Jose be traded in a blockbuster this offseason, the argument being he's too old to be part of the rebuilt 2020 contending team?? But the sneaky reason saving cold hard cash?? You go from paying a guy 15 million to paying some replacement 500,000 the next couple seasons. If he's still good you could still try to bring him back via free agency in 2020. Hmmm. Jose Abreu does not return "3-4 can't miss prospects".

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 03:25 PM) Doubt a struggling 22 year old with loud tools is worth much. FU Hahn, for not trading Moncada at the deadline and getting something for him while you could. f***, now we'll never get anything for this pathetic and failed prospect. Makes me wanna stuff my f***ing face with pepperidge farm. Don't worry. Delmonico is 10 for his last 22 and on pace to be the next Ted Williams so the Sox should be ok.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 03:10 PM) Even the walks have stopped. He's one for his last twenty with 10 strike outs and no walks. He's not struggling, he's drowning. Anyone still convinced he'll climb out of this is deluded. You don't have to take the exact opposite point either, but now it's time to seriously consider that Moncada is a complete and total bust. It has gotten so bad that the Buxton comparisons are starting to look generous. I hope he turns it around, but watching him play leaves almost zero room for encouragement. Could we could trade him for anything? Is there any value left or should they just outright cut at this point?

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 12:14 AM) Impressive job of blowing this game with a win in sight It's a win in my book. Couple young guys look good. Rodon looks good. Stay even with Philly

Sneaky Hahn has starters & offense clickin' then the bullpen blow every game. Love it

The prospect of Rodon/Kopech/Lopez + the wildcard of what Gio/Hansen turn into + Dunning as a 5th starter + 60mil to spend if a couple bust in 2020 is....pretty pretty good.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 05:32 PM) If you're only grading on 2016 results of the major league team, a 2 is reasonable, even with all the talent that is not yet at the ML level. Now, it's completely fair to say that method of grading is shortsighted and asinine, but it's also easy enough to understand. Another 2 things I would not put together If I were 100% certain the Sox were going to have 11 All-Stars on the 2020 team built from 4 trades + an INTL signing I'd be buying season tickets and rank the rebuild as a 10

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 02:26 PM) Why is it so hard for some here to understand greg's argument? He is rating the rebuild process entirely by the on field results of the White Sox. It's extremely short sighted and easy to disagree with (as I do), but it's not that hard to understand that he's rating the rebuild a 2 right now because the 2016 White Sox are 45-70. Because while he grades it a 2, he also is 100% certain that the prospects acquired thus far will result in what would be one of the greatest teams in the history of baseball in 2-3 years. Those things cannot be combined together

QUOTE (ron883 @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 11:32 AM) Where's the money going? Is it not lining the chairman's pockets? The payroll will be so low that they better spend spend spend a few years from now, or they better have some fantastic giveaways and events at the park next year Please list some names of guys they should sign this off-season* and why. I'm interested to see where this thought process actually ends up in the real world. *realistic options, meaning "I think they should sign Bryce Harper to a 2 year/20m deal" is not an option.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 11:46 AM) Why are you guys so pro front office and pro management? Greg: "It's despicable that this team will have a 40m payroll next year. They should sign 10 free agents. JR is a crook and should be ashamed" Also Greg: "Why did they sign pathetic Adam Dunn and John Danks to such a big contract? They should DFA them right now." Greg: "This rebuild is a pathetic money grab by JR and I rate it a 2" Also Greg: "I see us having 8 can't miss positional prospects and at least 3 aces who should all easily be All-Stars by 2020"

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 12:28 PM) If the Sox get 1-1, I'd prefer someone to distinguish themselves to the point where no one questions who the pick is, like Bryce Harper. Yes, I'd prefer if we drafted Bryce Harper as well.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Aug 11, 2017 -> 07:37 PM) Notice how I said 5-10? If you take Moncada, Lopez, and a few top guys coming next year, we will fall in the rankings to 5-10. That's not a bad thing as stage two is to get guys up here and experienced. That does not mean we are going to win next year, it means we won't have enough top talent in the farm to be top 3 when next season ends. The only guy coming out early next year will be Gio. The rest will be mid-late year at best. Add the 2018 draft class and we should easily have a top 3 system heading in to 2019

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 02:24 PM) I'm not excited about the rebuild; I'm totally against it. I still give it a 2 until it starts to prove worthy of the grade increasing. But I told u all before I have the right to cheer for the team if it works. That's what fandom is all about. I'm just pointing out what's going to happen now. With all the positions covered, the Sox will with the blessing of the fans make more money than ever, cause the payroll will be nothing. I'm against all the losing seasons involved in a rebuild of course but I have the right to continue being a fan if it works and they get good again. I'm still watching games during the down times. You have every right to be whatever kind of fan you want. But that doesn't mean people have to respect your flip flopping illogical ideas that you constantly bring up.