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QUOTE (RegionSox @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:38 PM) For all we know, there are deals in place to trade other guys only if Sale or Quintana are traded. Doubt it, not going to get a bunch of teams waiting on that too.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:37 PM) I don't think you move Melky and Frazier, 2 of your 3 best offensive pieces, if you keep Sale and Q. Same could be said for Robertson. But if the plan is/was to sell then start selling. Waiting for the biggest trade of all time to go down first is a mistake.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 05:47 PM) I was talking about the organization as a whole. Those moves make the current MLB roster worse and do nothing to help them be better in the next few years either. You're not going to rebuild with mid-level prospects, most of which will probably never turn out to be good major leaguers. All of those guys are gone next year anyway, might as well grab a few lotto tickets for them.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 04:58 PM) Also!: As Sox GM Rick Hahn admitted, the White Sox have been “mired in mediocrity” (they are currently as close to .500 as can be at 50-51) and a big deal to shake things up wouldn’t necessarily be such a terrible idea for an organization with three postseason appearances in a century. Not in A century, in THIS century. Don't make me defend our not great record! Yeah get it right! It's 8 appearances in a century!

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 02:56 PM) Trying to think of any trades involving pitchers similar to Sale over the past 20 years or so....David Price? Rays got Austin Jackson for him. Johnny Cueto...that deal looks terrible for the Reds. Johan Santana for Carlos Gomez? Going way back, Pedro for Pavano? Random thoughts I have in my brain. Sale's age + ability + contract/control are unprecedented. Why I think he won't be traded till the winter when you can talk some team into signing over their entire farm system.

QUOTE (Special K @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 09:05 AM) What if we sweep the cubs and the twins and are sitting 5 over .500 come Sunday. Think we gotta stay put... Only need to go 37-25 the rest of the way to hit that 87 mark. Not entirely crazy... Kenny? Is that you?

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 02:10 PM) The Angels need pitching and they have talked about dealing Trout. How about Sale for a Trout and a couple of prospects from the Angels? ....They need pitching so they can build around the greatest player in a generation

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 05:02 PM) Hahn was one of the highest paid Ass't. GMs. It's obvious JR didn't want to lose him. I wish they could meet in the middle, keep Hahn and fire everyone else. Lets JR keep some of his blind loyalty but lets them rebuild from the ground up. Too much of KW's fingerprints everywhere still.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 04:59 PM) Best idea. I try to watch other baseball teams where there is little emotional interest and that means NL baseball. For the Cub haters, unfortunately the Cubs are a good team to watch. I wish the Dbacks didn't suck. I have a neighbor who has season tickets and sometimes gives them away. I've never been the stereotype "CUBS SUCK" kinda Sox fan, but man do I envy their position. A legit core on both sides, money to spend, competent manager. I don't see how they're not contenders for at least the next 4-5 years

QUOTE (michelangelosmonkey @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) I think people are too pessimistic here. Since 2005 the World Series has been won four times with teams with dominant starting pitching (Sox and the Giants three times). The Mets gave a black eye to the Cubs because dominant starting pitching can beat dominant hitting. The White Sox had no choice to follow the path they are one because the stumbled upon Quintana, Sale became one of the best pitchers of all time, and they got lucky drafting Rodon. Now they look like they may have gotten lucky getting Fulmer as well. I'm not saying it WILL happen...but lets say in 2017 Rodon improves to Quintana level and Fulmer starts and is Rodon 2015...and James Shields or Gonzalez pitches the way they have in July. You will all agree the defense is WAY better this year than it was last year. You have Austin Jackson and the two catchers done after this year which frees up $11 million in salary (along with adam Laroches $12 million already in your pocket). You resign Frazier (I'm fine with a good fielding 3b who hits 40 home runs but only hits .220) and then sign Lucroy (still need a catcher as Collins is probably a few years away). Why is that not one of the best teams in baseball...or at least a team that can get into the playoffs and then throw four aces into every round of the playoffs? The idea of trading for prospects is exciting as potential is so tantalizing but 2015 #2 BA prospect was Byron Buxton who has a .580 OPS after his first 300 MLB at bats. We need to be patient...building a championship is a long process and I think we have come a long way in three years. Because you can't keep trotting out one of worst offenses in baseball and expect to win games even if you have 5 Chris Sales. 2017 Offense: 1B - Abreu looks to be completely average at this point and we have no idea if he will even come close to where he was ever again. 2B - Average at best SS - Unknown at this point & Sox have non-existant track record of developing any offensive player 3B - Hits homers and nothing else C - Overpay for Lucroy I guess? LF - Last year of Melky, average to maybe solid. CF - Likely a rookie or another dumpster dive RF - Solid to star level DH - Dumpster dive or a rookie Our pitching will be great again, but that lineup screams

My future plans: Watch other sports until JR isn't the owner anymore.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 12, 2016 -> 02:47 PM) Why do we have to trade THOSE guys. I prefer keeping those 3 and Anderson, Eaton and Abreu and Sale/Q and dumping the rest: Frazier, Robertson, Melky, Avila, Navarro, Duke, Avi, Lawrie will bring a NICE haul. Your logic: Frazier, Robertson, Melky,Avila, Navarro, Duke, Lawrie are absolute garbage players & Hahn should be fired. BUT Sox could get an absolute HAUL trading them. Does that make sense to you?

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 10:27 PM) Sure enough the Beck runs losing this game right now. Could argue the same for Sale's runs

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) Wright and Salazar are in much better position than those 3 listed. Tanaka? For the 4th place Yankees? Really? Place matters? Sox are currently tied for 4th

QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 09:27 PM) Would anyone be shocked if the Sox get swept? Nope, banking on it now after this s*** show. I'd be shocked if the win 1 Hey maybe nothing kicks off a fire sale more than getting swept by the worst team in baseball heading into the ASB

I just accepted a 4/4mil deal from the Suns.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 30, 2016 -> 10:14 PM) If Anderson keeps it up I would love to see the Sox lock him up sometime before the start of '18. "keeps it up" has to be at least 1.5 full seasons.

Not really any possible way for him to be worse than 70% of our s*** lineup so why not

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 06:18 PM) Rodman was a trade. Will Perdue. Chris Collins would have a better chance landing 2 one and dones and competing for an NCAA title than Gar has of signing 2 max guys. Gar said today that the Bulls have won more games the last 10 years than ny other team. That would be fine if there was a finals Appearance or 2, but is kind of hollow with the post Jordan playoff record. And oh by the way, what Gar said isn't even true. The guy seems to have a tough time with the truth. Rodman points still stands, he was 34 when acquired. That wasn't like a CP3 trade. But yeah, GarPax is the absolute worst. A 1% ping pong ball has given those guys jobs 5+ years longer than it should have. Wish JR would sell or give up decision making power, ruining 2 teams.

QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 05:45 PM) Dennis Rodman? ? Even Rodman was seen on the down-swing of his career wasn't he? You have to draft your superstar(s) to win championships. Butler might take another leap, but I don't think he's the best player on a championship team and they're not acquiring Durant, Steph, etc...so hitting that ping pong ball luck is the only chance really and you're not doing that with a 6-8 seed round 1 sweep every year which is what fearless leader GarPax is shooting to build. Welcome to NBA purgatory

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 09:34 PM) Can you blame an 83 year old man for not wanting to overhaul his basketball team? Yeah, JR hasn't been great in a while, but his current behavior is somewhat understandable. This isn't a recent trend.... The Bulls were legit contenders for MJ's run + maybe 2 years outside of that. He's owned the team for 30+ years. That's luck and pathetic outside of that luck. The Sox have 1 ring and were legit contenders...twice? Maybe? He's owned that team even longer. It's a joke. And I'm not demanding dynasties. But hey, could we maybe field a competitive team every once and a while?

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 12:55 PM) They won't get any of those guys until they have a new owner. Sadly, yep. Sox and Bulls will never be good with JR at the helm. s***ty owner hires s***ty people to run his teams who put a s***ty product on the field/court. Outside of lucking into MJ and a crazy run in 05, JR has been a garbage owner for decades.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 11:38 AM) I would be stunned if Durant does anything other than stay in OKC for another year. Golden State is the only alternative that I see viable. Despite Stephen A Smith's ramblings of Lebron being interested in the Lakers & Heat, I don't see Lebron walking away from the championship team. I do see Lebron signing another one year deal so he can always have continual leverage on Cavs ownership to make moves and pay luxury tax, etc. It is a year from now where the Bulls need to be well positioned with a combination of cap space and talent to make a run at Westbrook and/or Durant (and I think it will be next off-season where we see Anthony Davis make a big push to exit the Pelicans).

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 08:01 PM) I don't buy the showcase angle That's the only angle that shouldn't immediately trigger Robin being fired

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) It simply is amazing. I wish they could just come out and say "we're showcasing him for a trade and have to prove he can play outfield" as that would be the only justifiable reason to have him in the field.