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QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 02:55 PM) I don't see how hiring any of those guys except LaRussa would be an upgrade or any reason to fire Ozzie. Aren't there any old guys who are former managers out there? Sox need a Bob Lemonish/Lou Piniellish type old guy as next skipper. I can't think of any out there but that is what they need. I'm sure they are out there. Is Torre really retired for good? Which means nothing in this discussion due to your bias.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 02:44 PM) Why do you guys think this small community of fans is representative of all Soxdom? Probably the same reason why you think a couple people in KC and a buddy in Chicago think Ozzie the greatest manager of all time.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 03:11 PM) You can't possibly think he was serious? Juan Pierre as your leadoff man and DH, then get rid of those bums Rios and Dunn for some low level A-ball prospects.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 10:10 AM) And professional athletes don't? Not to the levels that wrestlers do I'd bet on. I'd also bet a the % of wrestlers on the juice + massive other drugs is much higher than a pro sports guy. You think guys like Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens were downing pain pills like skittles while juicing?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 10:44 AM) Something is off with your numbers. This would indicate that 13% of the team's at-bats have been with a guy hitting exactly .250, which seems impossible. I think the second 250 was supposed to be 200. All of Dunn's ABs, bunch of Beckham, Morel, and Rios.

Well the wrestlers also throw pain pills, coke, and massive amounts of booze into the mix as well.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 11:47 PM) 1.) Well, will we be out of the race when the new skipper finally demotes them? Probably. 2.) Well, if most hate on KW, then I've missed it with all the Ozzie burials. I sense most want KW back and want Oz gone. If most agree with me and hate KW, good for them. Cause I think he's a problem. Were the Sox out of the race when De Aza was called up? When the rosters expanded and Rios was batting f***ing cleanup? When Dunn was hitting .0003 and still pinch hitting in late game situations? Your ozzie blinders are mystifying

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 11:38 PM) I just hope u guys rip the new manager when he plays Dunn/Rios all year as Ozzie did. Maybe KW will someday get as much blame for, uh, signing those 2 lousy players? How can you possibly not get it after 100 explanations? So ridiculous I don't care who the f***ing manager is. The managers ONLY job, IMO, is to put the best team possible on the field everyday. Ozzie's ego prevents him from doing that. It doesn't matter what happened in the previous offseason, its over, theres no changing it. Yes, KW gets blame. But once the f***ing REGULAR SEASON starts, it's on Ozzie to put the best team out there. And he can't, won't, doesn't know how, or whatever. Doesn't matter at this point, he's proven he cannot be trusted to run a team any longer. How on earth can you defend that?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 11:20 PM) Me thinks you guys overvalue the importance of coaches and undervalue the failure of the guys with the bats in their hands and ball in their hand. Yeah, it's just too bad the MLB forces lineups based on salaries.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 08:08 PM) So you have Ozzie accusing the team of quitting....he's the best! http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,1522982.story What a disgrace, that f***er quit months ago. I don't think I can watch this team anymore if he is managing it.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 05:23 PM) It would be a great benefit to you if you watched more baseball. hahah, says the guy who thinks Ozzie had no choice in batting Rios 4th and playing Dunn till August. You're the greatest.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 04:33 PM) Did he just prove my point while thinking he was disproving it? Haha indeed he did. I vote Greg and Marty for 2012 GM/Manager combo. They'd cut Dunn, Rios, Peavy and eat the 80 million owed. Resign MB for 4 years 90 million, Juan for 2 years 20 million, and give Ozzie an open ended 10 mil a year deal. Then trade everyone else on the team for pitching prospects.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 03:25 PM) This is the one thing that might make me pause on firing Ozzie. But Cora, Cox, and Walker all would need to go, with Kenny picking the replacements. But god, just keep Cooper and we avoid the problem! The only "pause" on firing Ozzie is if PK, Sale, Viciedo, Danks, Floyd, Buehrle, and Santos all say they will retire from the game forever if Ozzie goes.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 03:09 PM) This isn't a Kenny thing. This is an every single general manager in the history of baseball thing. Kenny shouldn't have signed him then. Ozzie did nothing wrong.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 02:55 PM) If Williams signed him for $56M, you couldn't. Why?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 02:45 PM) Once they are signed, and hitting 100 points below their career average, plus no power, how could it not be Guillens fault if he keeps running them out there after 4-5-6 months of the same thing? Either through trolling or ignorance, there are a couple people on this board that cannot grasp that concept.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 01:51 PM) And it still won't make a difference. It only wouldn't make a difference if you have an irrational love for a terrible manager.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 01:16 AM) In all fairness, waiving/releasing either Dunn or Rios at this point would mean eating 2-3X what ANY franchise in MLB has ever done with an individual player....which was Russ Ortiz' deal. But yeah, the Dodgers essentially bought out their entire outfield of Pierre, A. Jones and finally Ramirez. I'm not saying DFA them, just pointing out that teams don't actually do what he's saying in regards to the highest salary plays. I'll agree that the highest salary has the job to lose...but the job is not guaranteed. When you have 1 player with the worst season in MLB history and another player not a whole bunch ahead of him going into August, it's safe to bench them at that point.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 12:05 AM) Well you guys seem to want my responses so ... It isn't Ozzie's decision to DFA guys. If KW wanted to DFA Rios and Dunn that would have been fine with me. But he couldn't do that. They make too much money. So guess what? Oz plays them. I'm not familiar with Zito. Educate me. I thought he remained a starter through all of his s***tiness.He pitched 192 and 199 innings the past 2 years before this year. Not pitching him in the postseason is different. You can mess with your postseason rotations and only go with four guys, etc. I will agree it's possible Ozzie continued to play Rios/Dunn to embarrass KW who brought them here. I said both Oz and KW can't complain if they get fired cause they both hate each other and pull s*** like that IMO. But he doesn't have to f***ing play them. That was the entire point of the previous 3 posts. I don't get why that's confusing. Your point was they make too much money to be benched, numerous examples were provided of highly paid players being benched/cut/etc, proving that not to be the case. And now you're contradicting yourself; if you think Ozzie kept playing them to embarrass KW, then he should have been fired weeks ago and never get another job in baseball because that's a f***ing disgrace to the fans and the game.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 09:57 PM) Ozzie needs to STFU when he goes elsewhere. The crap he said about Jenks was inexcusable, and trust me...no one really wants to know all the stuff that's gone on behind the scenes. If you think only reason Ozzie wouldn't be brought back is due to his relationship with Kenny Williams, then I have nothing left to say to you. That should be auto-included by the system whenever replying to greg

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 11:26 PM) I read the last few responses and enjoyed reading them. I'll resist typing in more stuff cause I'm sure you don't want to hear my rebuttals on this topic any more tonight. That's the very reason you do get replies...because you don't back up a single thing you say with anything other than "i love ozzie, this is kw's fault", without ever addressing what a f***ing miserable manager Ozzie has been this year.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 11:11 PM) You still don't get it and probably never will. By your logic, a manager is just supposed to run the highest paid players out there day after day, week after week, month after month and just sit back and watch. Who cares if it's blatantly obvious that said player(s) is sabotaging the season and severely hindering the primary objective - GET TO THE PLAYOFFS! Did Bruce Bochy say to himself, "You know what. Barry Zito is the highest paid player on the team. Sure, he f***ing sucks. But god damnit. I'm gonna make him by game 3 starter because he makes a ton of coin." Of course not. Because Bruce's job is to WIN BASEBALL GAMES. Not play guys that suck over and over and over again because of their salary. Apparently the Sox operate some bizarro franchise. Rowand and Tejada DFA'd from the same team on the same day, Andruw Jones bought out, Chone Figgins benched, Manny Ramirez given away 2x, Rios given away, Gary Mathews JR benched, Zito benched, and on and on and on....except for the White Sox, who base their playing time on salary and salary only I guess. Ridiculous of course, but only if you don't have an irrational love for a manager who doesn't have a single thing going for him that you can defend anymore.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 07:48 PM) I'm sick of reading the blame going to Ozzie for those two players' pathetic performances. For me it grows as old as Ozzie praise to you. I will shed no tears nor will I be mad if Ozzie goes to Florida. I just comment when I think he's getting an unfair rap. I find it amazing people think he should have benched Rios and Dunn months ago. I honestly don't see what you're missing. Not a single person here defends Dunn, Rios, or KW. The thing is, time travel doesn't yet exist to my knowledge, so as of April 1, 2011, for the 2011 season, Ozzie has been in charge of putting the best team on the field. Still with me there? On July 27th, a perfectly capable replacement for Rios was called up. We were 3.5 back. KW stated players will not play based on salary (whether you believe that or not means NOTHING). From that point on, there was absolutely no excuse for Ozzie to play Rios. None. Still there? Your blind love of Ozzie is partly due to his "firey, crazy, speak the truth" personality, correct? So if he was told, publicly, that he is not to play people based on salary, then I guess by your logic he was then told privately that he is to keep playing them "or else"...why wouldn't he say something? So if you still back Ozzie, then you also have to believe in one of these 3 scenarios: A) Ozzie cannot read and/or write any longer, and has simply been making spelling errors since late July on the lineup cards. B) Immediately after announcing playing time does not relate to salary, Ozzie was told that was just for show and he damn well better keep playing sub-.200 hitters in the middle of division race or he's in big, big trouble. C) Ozzie and his "loose cannon, gotta love him attitude" has been playing Dunn and Rios to spite KW for making those moves to the detriment of the team and sabotaged the season Those are the only possibilities, so which one is it? And just to cover all bases, if you're in the stupid "De Aza/Vicedo vs Rios/Dunn wouldn't have mattered anyway" camp....wouldn't you have at least wanted to f***ing find out for yourself? If you don't think replacing the 2 literal worst players in baseball with ANYONE else wouldn't have made a difference when we were 3.5 back, I'd like .5 lb's of whatever you're smoking.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 04:57 PM) Since De Aza and Viciedo started receiving regular playing time the team has lost ground in the standings. Your belief has no merit. We really need a way to block users & when people quote said user