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QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:35 PM) Is it not fair to say that Jenks has been a reason this team is 52-42 right now instead of 54-40? So if that's the case, this team should be two games better right now. Nope, can't do that BS. You can blame so many losses on "what if..." plays. What if PK or Rios drives in the runner on 3rd the other night? What if Raaaaaaaandy doesn't give up those runs in the 7th when we made that huge comeback a few weeks ago. What if SOMEONE gets a hit off Marmol with the bases loaded. All bulls***

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 10:08 AM) I agree there's a gray area where players have a legitimate gripe about their contract. Football that tends to happen because of the way the system is set up (rookies get paid an enormous amount despite having done nothing). To me basketball is a different animal because everything is so set from the beginning. If you prove yourself to be a franchise caliber player, you'll be paid like it after a few years. In Paul's situation, it's not about the money, it's about not being happy with the franchise (i.e., the market he's in) and the players around him. He's just unhappy that he chose to resign there for 4 years back in 08 but now they suck. Yeah I don't mind it in the NFL if the player has proven his worth (CJ) and he's getting paid (relatively) nothing, but when players like Urlacher or Tommie Harris demand that bulls*** after playing like crap for years, that pisses me off. I wish we would have told them to screw off. The new CBA in the NFL is going to be tricky, these players are getting killed money wise and the greed of the owners is going to be hard to overcome. They shouldn't be the lowest paid athletes of the big 3 when the league rakes in such a ridiculous amount of money.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 12:37 AM) It is amazing how many people have blind faith in Jenks. Plain and simple, regardless if you lose a set up man or not, you need to be able to put someone out there in save situation that you can trust to get you 3 outs. And Jenks f***ing blows right now and you can't trust him in any situation. It's not blind faith (cept for greg maybe ) Its called not being a f***in psycho about him and realizing we'll need him to be good unless you want Linebrink moved up a slot.

QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 12:32 AM) Jenks was memorable in 2005 and hasn't been the same since. He's doesn't hold runners on base and is terrible at fielding his position. It's just time for him to move on. Huh? Did you skip 06 and 07?

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 12:22 AM) I don't care that he's fat! His weight has nothing to do with the fact he sucks, and can't be allowed to close. I'd rather worry about losing a game in the 7th when one of our really good starters might still be in the game, than worry about losing it in the 9th when there is no time left to recover. And he was due is still right. If you give up a ton of baserunners but aren't blowing saves, common sense tells you that eventually such good fortune will run out. Lots of baserunners and high ERA=not good pitcher, and not good pitcher when he's a closer=blown saves. Haha, I wasn't directing that to you, just at the board in general since that will be the response instead of wanting him to fix it. Then what explains the 5 weeks or so when he was awesome? Thats why it doesn't make sense. So he was due for about 6 weeks and its finally hitting now? You can't stretch it that far

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 12:14 AM) True, you usually don't get two in 4 days like this though. But to your point, if we rid ourselves of the Jenks problem in the closers role, HOPEFULLY we can minimize the giveaway games. As of now, we don't have anymore of those than other teams. But if Jenks is left in as closer, that will change. Because as I said after Sunday's games, the numbers say he's due to blow several in a short period of time. Then you have to move someone up to take Putz's place and pray we don't lose games in the 7th instead of 9th. I'm a fan of common sense, so wishing they DFA "that f***ing fatass" is idiotic to me. You do what you did earlier in the year, give him a break, slowly work him back in and hope he finds it again. We need him to be June/July Bobby or hope every pitcher goes at least 7 from here out. And that "he was due" is still BS. He's had those numbers all season, it makes no difference.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 12:07 AM) Let's just hope these 2 games aren't looked back upon in early October after a close defeat in the race. ehh you can do that for a s*** load of games at the end of the season for every team

bah, dammit Robert. Well time for Putz for a few and pray he finds it again like he did in June.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 01:10 PM) It's just saying that your way of making Jenks look better isn't valid. No, no its not and it's stupid to even compare those 2. I answered a question asking if a couple outings had inflated his numbers. They did.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 12:57 PM) Also, is it worth noting to the detractors that even with the blowup, Jenks' ERA since June 1st is 3.00 and his WHIP is 1.00, with nearly a 5.00 K/BB? Nope, all that matters is calling him a fat f*** anytime he goes 2-1 on a batter.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 12:44 PM) Javier Vazquez could take one bad inning out of all of his starts and he'd be a Cy Young contender almost every year. The fact that people would bring up Jenks' bad outings just says that Jenks is wildly inconsistent and can't be relied on at all times. Yep, that's a perfectly valid comparison.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 12:42 PM) And if you take out Floyd's 3 worst appearances, I'm sure his ERA drops by 1 (or more). The fact of the matter is, you can't just *remove* those from his current totals. Read the post "Simple reply. Would you describe Bobby Jenks's WHIP and ERA numbers as inflated by "1 bad outing", "2 bad outings", or by "Consistently mediocre at best in April and May along with a terrible outing in July". He asked question. I answered question.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 12:34 PM) Ok, fine, I'll bite...if Mariano had an outing like that and it was swamping his numbers the WHIP wouldn't tell us much. Simple reply. Would you describe Bobby Jenks's WHIP and ERA numbers as inflated by "1 bad outing", "2 bad outings", or by "Consistently mediocre at best in April and May along with a terrible outing in July". Take out his 3 worst outings and his ERA drops by over 2

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 09:59 AM) Ummm excuse me? The fact that Jenks has such a poor ERA and WHIP yet has been so succesful in save percentage just shows there is a cause for alarm since really, he's long overdue to blow a few games in a short period of time. You can't just choose when to give up runs and baserunners. Hibbard explains my thoughts exactly. Why does what he did in a few bad games in April/May predict "he's overdue for a bunch of blown games" in July/August? That makes absolutely no sense. Did those stats also predict he would be one of the best in June/July, or does it only apply if its negative?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 08:00 AM) The Swisher trades... Ehh, I'd hardly call those guys overpaying. Overpaying relative to the highway robbery deals for Danks, Floyd, etc? Maybe I guess

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 08:37 PM) What's pathetic is his ERA...and WHIP. Good thing those don't matter for a closer. He pitches so few innings that one bad outing inflates all those stats. All I care about is 20/22

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 09:08 PM) No, those guys were/are both hated far more. That would be why I excluded them...

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 07:33 PM) There pretty much was...? What are you saying exactly? Are you trying to point out inconsistency in something I've said? No, just the inconsistency of the board. Jenks has been ragged on more than anyone who deserves to be on the team in the first place (not Kotsay, Williams, etc) yet in pure closer numbers hasn't been nearly that bad. Yeah he's making to much money and he's not the same as he once was, but the ridiculous amount of hate he has gotten is pretty f***ing pathetic.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 04:58 PM) Why? You didn't respond to the splits I posted earlier which looked pretty terrible (except June which was beyond awesome, but the others may as well have been from Randy Williams). I am not saying Bobby sucks... I'm saying he has spent more time being bad than being good this season and this outing wasn't any kind of isolated occurrence. At all. Oh, and if Bobby comes in and gives up runs but the offense bails him out, that doesn't mean Bobby (or any reliever) "didn't hurt the team." Potentially, he could have, it just means he got lucky. So was more than half this team. Why wasn't there a mass calling for us to dump everyone?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 12:59 PM) I'll go to my grave saying that if Rob Mackowiak hadn't played CF for the 2006 Sox after June 1, 2006, that Sox team makes the playoffs. I can't prove it in the stats, so don't ask me to. But every bloody game, every time there was a big inning, one of the first 2 runners on got there on a misplay by Mack, or the biggest hit came on a ball Anderson would have caught. Every time he played in CF he was worth 2 runs and 25 extra pitches on the starter. "You can't prove it with stats" but claim that? Cmon, he was bad but you can't make a statement like that. I'd blame it more on the pitching not being there all year

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 10:46 AM) So the price has dropped to Beckham/Hudson/CQ + Viciedo + more? Wow, they are out of their minds. TO Vic FROM Beck/Q

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2010 -> 01:22 PM) BMac got run out of the clubhouse for associating with Anderson pretty quickly. And for Johnny D

haha the MLBN is probably ecstatic at how the Sox season played out. I don't think there is any better situation for a "reality" show than to have a horrible start, firings/trades looming - followed by a historic run and being the best team in baseball for over a month.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 19, 2010 -> 12:11 AM) I'll admit, I've never been a huge fan of Bobby, but his post game comments were ridiculous today and just because of them, he should take a role as middle reliever for a while. "I didn't have it," closer Bobby Jenks said after failing to retire any of the four batters he faced and ending a streak of 15 save conversions. "My cutter was coming back. My sinker wasn't sinking. The slider was big. I just didn't have my stuff." So f***ing what Bobby? Not every pitcher is gonna have his good stuff everyday. This is just a p**** ass excuse by you and everyone knows that. You f***ing stunk today. And just because your stuff was flat doesn't mean you have to walk the first two batters. If you throw strikes, you will always have a shot. There's just no need for players making lame ass, p**** excuses like this. Bobby, take a seat for a while. hahahah, that is possibly the lamest "rant" I've ever heard about any player on this site. Every pitcher in the history of the game uses that after a bad outing. All of them. Every single one. You know why? Cause its the f***ing truth. He just pitched about 5 weeks with 1 ER and a handful of hits. He's not Randy f***ing Williams. And you've "never been a huge fan of bobby"? I'm sorry, but that makes you a piss poor fan.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 18, 2010 -> 10:52 PM) Ok, I'll admit this thread was a knee-jerk reaction. Bobby was very dominate for a while, but he's also had long stretches of horrible. Maybe I should have titled this "Putz for Closer if we have a 2 or 3 run lead" His stretch of horrible was shorter than the rest of the team. This place needs to calm the f*** down sometimes, he's not going to save every chance. He's not going to throw perfect innings 100% of the time, and neither is Putz, Thornton, Sergio, or Raaaaaaandy. Our bullpen has worked thus far and Bobby has been pretty damn solid for over a month up until now. The twins won 1 game of this series and were given 2 more. Considering the run we had, its a much better feeling to make some stupid plays than getting blown out for 3 games.