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Anyone who says they "wouldn't want" LBJ is an idiot, sorry. "I don't want the 25 year old - best player in the game on my team because I'm angry he celebrates" Read that out loud. You also must not have watch MJ much as he talked s*** just like anyone else.

Bet he's pissed about turning down a guaranteed 30 million. They should lock Beckhams ass up right now to a 7 year deal

QUOTE (The Gooch @ May 9, 2010 -> 08:25 PM) I don't care if we don't have another decent lefty, Thornton deserves the closer role. There is no one else from the bullpen that I feel safe with a one or two run lead. With Matt in there, I feel like we win the game. With anyone else, its 50-50. And if that 1-2 run lead is in the 8th against the heart of their order? You want big Linebrink in there just to save Thorton for the bottom of their lineup in the 9th? I'll pass on that, thanks.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 9, 2010 -> 08:22 PM) Wait, you're saying we're wrong cause we want to see our best reliever be the closer? When he is the ONLY lefty you have in the pen and he can pitch multiple innings effectively, why single him out as the 9th inning guy? And if you say, "we'll use him in the 7-9", then he's not your closer anyway. I'd rather be able to use him in big moments in the 7th or 8th than limiting him to the 9th every couple days on the off chance we actually have a lead. I don't trust Putz or Linebrink, I don't want to put that pressure on Serg yet, and I don't want to lose Thorton for the 3-4-5 hitters in the 8th just because he's our "closer" for the 9th. Closer by committee, depending on the situation and rest of the 2.5 decent guys we have in the pen.

mmmm I can't wait to see more of Raaaaaaaaandy in games since everyone wants Thorton to close. s***, he won't even get any chances to close cause we'll only have one other reliable guy in the pen with Serg.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 9, 2010 -> 11:49 AM) Let's not let Ozzie off the hook just because there are s***ty players on the roster... they are the s***ty players he wanted and before the season started he said something to the effect that he is the one accountable if it doesn't work out. He campaigned for the idea of a rotating DH with below-average hitters and hits these guys in the top half of the lineup... etc. That kinda sounds to me like it would be the job of some other type of manager, possibly a "general manager" who would be in charge of general off the field baseball decisions. They should try it out

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 9, 2010 -> 02:03 AM) What is with all the threads and comments about Ozzie's managing? Has this board become so cliche that's all we can discuss? Don't you realize he is managing the roster the best anybody could? You can't pitch one or two relievers that you happen to love every f***ing circumstance. There are a s***load of guys not hitting meaning you can't bat everybody ninth. Ozzie is not TERRY BEVINGTON! Why do so many want to run him out of town. The team f***ing sucks. He is a good manager. Do you guys want revolving managers? A different one every year? Because any manager we get you are going to second guess moves when we lose. I'm just sick of him costing us games by batting a .190 hitter 7th instead of 9th, a .187 hitter 6th instead of 7th, a .200 hitter 1st instead of 8th, and not pitching Thorton for the 7th 8th and 9th of every game. Get a f***ing clue ozzie, jeez

QUOTE (jphat007 @ May 9, 2010 -> 12:56 AM) He's getting paid 16 million bucks. 3 good starts (two against awful awful teams) out of 7 isn't what we are paying him for, or traded him for. If you think it is, that's cool I guess. I don't. Especially not good starts when we are 7 games back of first. We needed him the first month. Thanks for clearing that up for me, I was unaware that those first 4 games counted for more than these last 3. Hope to hear from you again when the sox lose their next game

QUOTE (jphat007 @ May 9, 2010 -> 12:19 AM) Woah woah woah. Let's let him have more than 2 good starts before we say its a good deal. Especially meaningful starts and not when you are 7.5 games back. It's a lot easier to pitch when you are pretty much out of it. It is good that he's put two dominant starts together. Let's hope we can get him back to a place where he can show us what he's got when it counts. So we can call it a horrible trade and wish we had CR/AP back after a couple bad starts, but can't call it a good trade if he has a few awesome ones? Is this the same logic that goes into "ozzie didn't impact games in '05 or any time we win because the players are just good, but when we lose its roughly 93% his fault because he bats s*** player 6th instead of 7th" ? Got it

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 8, 2010 -> 11:06 PM) There are a lot of mea culpas going to be owed at this rate. I haven't seen any so far. I guess I shouldn't be expecting to see any either, though. nope, half the people here don't post unless its to b**** about how the sky is falling

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 8, 2010 -> 11:02 PM) They didn't even bother putting all the games on the DVD like they did for the Red Sox, I really doubt they'd bother making a HD version. Well to be fair, the BoSox had a bit more "interesting" playoff run with the whole greatest comeback ever thing while the Sox just beat everyone

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ May 8, 2010 -> 02:33 PM) We are 7.5 games back, 6 games under .500 and only have 3 guys hitting the ball and the pitching just hasn't been there for the most part. This rotating DH thing has been a nightmare. Ozzie has been outmanaged in most of the games thus far. We are built for now and next year and so far have been failing bad. Its obvious KW laid an egg by listening to Ozzie's wishes. He wanted a high OBP guy in the middle of the lineup but failed to bring him over. We need to start thinking about the future if this thing continues to unravel. If we don't finish May .500, something needs to be done with the organization. I think a change at the top needs to happen. I'm not saying KW needs to go- i'm more or less leaning toward axing Ozzie- his rants are getting old and he doesn't seem to have the team pulling on the same side of the rope like he used to in the past. That being said, I'm not a big fan of firing a manager during a season. Before that happens, I would like KW get some value back for certain players. 1. Sell high on PK. He is playing way over his head right now- it would be a perfect time to deal him for young arms. KW can use those young arms + some to aqcuire Adrian Gonzalez. Why trade PK to bring in AGon if the season is a wash you say? Well, you would have AGon for cheap for 1.5 seasons- if we struggle in 2011- you can deal him for probably more talent than your giving up for him. 2. What about AJ? I would see whats out there? Maybe bring in a few mid-level arms that can hopefully develop in our system. I want to see what Flowers can do sooner than later. 3. What about Peavy and Rios? Its simple, nobody are going to want these contracts and to be honest with you i dont mind. I love these 2 players. Rios has been great this year- his defense is solid and he is perfect in the 5 or 6th spot. Peavy is looking better and better each time out. If there are a few guys making the big bucks on our team the next few seasons, i wouldn't mind it being them. In fact i wouldn't mind if KW keeps the rotation in tact. 4. Teahen and Pierre- I'm not a big fan of both of these guys. Teahen's defense is below average and his hitting is subpar at best. I want to improve 3b. If anything start thinking about developing Viciedo over there. As far as Pierre goes, get this guy off the field. Yea he can steal them with the best but his defense is attrotious. There is a reason LA made him their 4th OF and primary pinch runner. Thats what he is. 5. Ozzie and his coaching staff. Ozzie said, i will go down first before his coaching staff. Well maybe its time to go because Walk isn't maximizing his hitter's potential and Ozzie is getting outmanaged frequently these days. Not too difficult to "out manage" this team. Such a stupid argument, not a manager on f***ing earth would have done anything with this team.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 8, 2010 -> 11:16 AM) 2-1 Record 1-2 2.61 ERA 6.31 21 K 31 4 BB 21 0.77 WHIP 1.60 Which one is the former NL Cy Young winner and which one is B. Cecil? Should we try to trade them straight up for each other? Get it done Kdubbs

QUOTE (DirtySox @ May 6, 2010 -> 07:24 PM) Better than for Hudson or Flowers. I wouldn't give any of our "top" prospects for Berkman at this point. He's hurt and hitting .213

Pierre, Jones Q or PK would be gone then... And JD2 for 5 months of Berkman? Are they joking?

We really just lose the HD feed? God dammit comcast

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ May 3, 2010 -> 10:20 PM) And like 3 hits. and 15 Ks. I still say we try to get Big Z for him straight up.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 3, 2010 -> 12:48 PM) Yeah because Chris Getz and Josh Fields are such a superior duo... Anyways, I wouldnt be opposed to acquiring Alex Gordon, but the KC to Chicago train is really getting kind of old. Man what I would give for the smooth glove and hot bat of Fields right now.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 3, 2010 -> 10:00 AM) Since we're not the ones signing the checks, is there anyone who will go on record and argue how/why trading Flowers/Hudson as well as Danks OR Morel for Gonzalez and THEN signing Edgar to a $200 million dollar, 8 year contract extension would make sense at this time and place? Who is Edgar and why would anyone give him 200 mil?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 2, 2010 -> 12:51 PM) Pierre just stole his 10th. Do we have anyone at all at the 2 other plateaus? We must since so many people here are having heart attacks over Kotsay and Vizquel leading off

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 2, 2010 -> 12:39 PM) Who should be there? The guy hitting over .300 with a .400 OBP, and 10 SB obviously.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 2, 2010 -> 12:28 PM) I see nobody jumping off the ledge in this thread. And having won a single game with Vizquel leading off hardly justifies having the man in a starting role, let alone at the top of the order. "ozzie is trying to get himself fired" Yep, I see no overreacting their. Having won a game with Vizquel goes perfectly along with your logic as well btw.

We lost with A-ram leading off, won with Vizquel leading off, and Rios isn't even with the club right now. Can we take 3-4 steps away from the ledge or are we all jumping off at this point?

needed its own thread for sure

QUOTE (bmags @ May 1, 2010 -> 12:50 AM) the arms were not the key to getting peavy, it was picking up his salary. Then why didn't the padres trade him to any of the other teams who wanted him?