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Hopefully we can get someone like Abreu. But i do like the idea of Dunn if he's moderately affordable, plays LF next year and DH once Thome is gone.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:53 PM) If I understand correctly, this is real life and not MLB 2k7. Sorry for the asshole comment, but for something like you suggested were to happen, this would be MLB 2k7. Well he is technically right. If you free up 30 mill, and sign both Furcal/Lowe to 15mm/year deals, it works. But the odds of KW doing that are slim to none i think

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:03 PM) How is it that the radio's have been reporting this, but not a word on it on the internet, especially on mlbtraderumors which reports if someone on the northside sneezes and it sounds like Peavy. It also took them about 12 hours to report the Vic (I vote that as his nickname) signing

QUOTE (SoxFanForever @ Nov 16, 2008 -> 12:23 PM) How does he deserve to be a starter? He was awful last year. But he was an all-star!!!! .220 BA is just what we need.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 03:14 PM) Swish is gonna have a tough time in New York. That goofy facial hair ain't gonna fly with the Yankees and if he gets off to a slow start on the field but keeps up his wacky act off the field the fans and media will destroy him. did you not happen to see giambi's stache all year?

I still don't understand why its a-ok for Long to get ROY after missing a month with a broken wrist, but for El Los to not have a chance in hell to get the MVP. Makes 0 sense.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 4, 2008 -> 02:39 PM) How can he be a good deal worse than Swisher, Thunderbolt? Even if he doesn't hit (which he will) he will be rock solid defensively, unlike Swisher. I love that BA "will hit" for sure....but swisher won't? Swish proved he can hit alread, BA hasn't. I want both of them on the team starting, but to assume Swish is washed up and BA is going to be the next KGJ is stupid.

I have a minor annoyance at one of the idiots on CTL. He was just talking about how aweful Swisher was and how we should beg another team to take him and we'll pay half his salary....then he went on to say how the Cubs simply can't give up on f***indome so quickly. So why does FookiDummy get another shot, despite accomplishing absolute dick in the MLB over Swisher? Would you rather be stuck with a 40 million dollar stubborn mute?

freshman at UIUC, me and the roommate were watching it on tivo and it was about 10 seconds behind cause we paused it at one point. So we're watching PK get in the box etc and hear people screaming in the halls. We were like "what the hell?.....He must of hit it out, holy s*** fast forward fast forward!" Awesome.

A 100% healthy white sox team wins the WS IMO. We were in all 3/4 of the TB games and if we're healthy, Javi doesn't pitch and there are no 3-day rest starts. TCQ 100% Crede +Count _________ '08 champs

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 02:32 PM) It's dumb to say he's not in Ozzie's doghouse. No. 1 he sucked during crunch time and most of the time otherwise. No. 2 he brooeded on that Yankee, KC, Minnie road trip about not playing. He has a lot to prove as a White Sox. His first year was horses***. Like I said, he won't be able to prove anything if he only plays 2x a week.

QUOTE (scenario @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 10:24 AM) Swisher batted .191 after the all-star game with a .298 OBP. He batted .164 in September with a .238 OBP. THAT is why he didn't play. Not because he is in some fictitious 'doghouse'. Yes, this is true. But I'm talking about the future, next season. If he is in the oz-house next season because of that, then its stupid and pointless to even have him on the team.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Oct 12, 2008 -> 08:51 AM) Probably not. Maybe a more competitive series against the Rays, or maybe even a win. But we still wouldn't have beat the Red Sox. Uhhh, no. The Boston Cubs have 2 pitchers, one of which we hit well in Lester. Becket is spent and with that full, healthy, squad I'd see a ring easily.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Oct 12, 2008 -> 04:27 PM) What evidence do you have that Swisher was benched due to a personal grudge by Ozzie? Swisher was benched because he sucked....he was an automatic out for most of the year. Swisher OBP = .332 Wise OBP = .293 BA OBP = .272 Dye OBP = .344 PK OBP = .344 He said he was unhappy with playing time, and Ozzie s*** over it. And now he may never leave the Oz House.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 08:22 PM) Excellent video. As much as we sometimes b**** about being a softball team, wow those homers are exciting. Call me a fool, but I still think CQ mighta led us to greatness in the postseason. Imagine a healthy Q, Crede, and Contreras. OC No 3 game rest-rotation-screw-ups. Burhle-Danks-Floyd in ALDS AJ Q Dye Thome PK Xei Crede Swish/BA/Weezy World Series champs.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 10, 2008 -> 11:17 PM) I can buy that. It should be interesting to see what Oz does with Swish if he gets off to a slow start next year. It's obvious he didn't want to go to war with the guy down the stretch. We shall see. Thats what I'm afraid of....Swish being in the "Oz-house" like BA and never playing. I love Ozzie, but him not playing guys over personal grudges is f***ing stupid. If we do retain Swish (which we would be stupid not to) and he plays 2x a week, then he will be the same if not worse as this year. If you keep him, then go with him and ride it out. If it doesn't work, then deal with it, but don't go half in - half out.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Oct 10, 2008 -> 10:23 PM) The Sox don't need Swisher next year. He's the 3rd best hitting OF and he's not very good in CF. He's the 2nd best hitting first baseman, and he doesn't have the bat to DH. If another team came along that needed an OF or 1B and didn't have the depth the Sox have, and that team was willing to give up another high ceiling player approaching his prime, and the player offered made for a better fit on this team, then that would be a great deal for the Sox. Right now Swish is basically a 4th OF with the upside of an All-Star and he's on a cheap contract. If he could net say a pitcher who is now a 5th starter but has the upside of a #2 and also is on a cheap contract then that would help the Sox. If the Sox feel that there is a pitcher out there who has just as much of a chance at reaching his ceiling as Swisher does at rebounding to his career year in Oakland then what is wrong with that deal? If it was 2006 and the Sox traded Nick Swisher for Gio Gonzalez and Gavin Floyd I am sure you'd b**** about selling low on a player that might do something great again one day, but then you'd be proven wrong, and Kenny would be proven right. That's the type of deal I think the Sox should look into if offered. JD has been one of the better run producers in baseball since 2005 with the only exception being the first half of '07. He'll be 35 and 36 over the next two years and he has the ability to DH or move to 1B if he loses too much ability to play LF. I'm nuts for thinking JD can keep it up over his age 35 and age 36 seasons? Fine, whatever. JD became a different hitter since coming here, and I think your comment about JD losing 80mph on his swing is stuff you've pulled right out of your ass. He had a powerless September and then went on to hit .375/.412/.625 in the playoffs. As far as trading Dye, I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I also wouldn't deal him specifically to open up a spot for Swisher, who is a career .244/.354/.451 hitter. I'd deal Dye if it made the team better, but Dye has been the most consistent run producer on this team since 2005 and Quentin hasn't had a fully healthy year since the minor leagues. Dealing your safest bet for a good, healthy, productive season could cause problems throughout the lineup. When did I say Swish has awesome value? You're putting words in my mouth. I said because of his age and contract he should have the 1st or 2nd most value out of the four sluggers. No one on this teams sans about 5 obvious guys has what you could call "awesome value." How much Swisher's value is I don't know, it depends on what is out there. The whole point is that Swisher has had one year where he has reached his upside and has regressed since then. If there is a team out there that offers a player the Sox feel is either a) as likely as Swish to reach his upside or b ) more likely than Swish to reach his upside, and if that player fills a larger need, then a deal makes sense. You seriously need to let go of this "don't trade players who have upside but haven't shown consistency because one day they might and you'll be sorry" type of thinking because nothing is guaranteed. From the way Swisher swung the bat pretty much all year long, he looks like a headcase. Josh Fields has a ton of upside, and he's flashed that too. Should we hold on to him no matter what? I'm not talking about dealing Swisher for garbage. I'm talking about trading Nick Swisher's potential for someone else with as much potential who fills another need. Again, putting words in my mouth. I said Swisher wouldn't be available for anything less than an elite player if he hit his ceiling. That doesn't mean another team actually does the deal. It just means that if you have a 29 year old versatile player on a cheap contract who is hitting close to 40 HR, driving in close to 100 runs, and he's getting on base at a .370 plus clip, then you don't make him available for anything less than an elite player. Yeah....not putting words in your mouth, thats what you actually wrote. So i'll ask again, if there was a player coming off a down year that you believed had a large upside and you could get him relatively cheap, would you do it? Hmmmmmmmmmmm, kinda sounds like us already having Swisher. The simple fact is, we may get ridiculously lucky and get a 30/90 Dye for 2 more years....then what? You have another guy who is too slow to play defense, and not good enough on offense to DH or maintain that level. So you waste your DH spot on a guy who's power disappeared and trade away guy 6 years younger who can play 4 positions, signed cheap, coming off a bad year. Makes sense. I'm not saying Dye won't be decent for the next 2 years, but I'll take the possibility of Swish coming back strong (like not getting a hit for 3 months and still having a .332 OBP) and having him for 5+ years in addition to the return Dye would get from a team who saw his production vs. trading Swish for some ehh and having Dye decline over the next 2+ years.

QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 10, 2008 -> 07:10 PM) Thornton, Jenks are solid RPs.. Linebrink is when healthy, Dotel is 50/50. Carasco was a one-hit wonder, Richard maybe. Fixed

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Oct 10, 2008 -> 02:03 PM) The trading Jenks idea is based on the belief that it's about to get worse for him. That a hard thrower at his age is having his K-rate decrease and that his luck from last year (not all luck obviously) could run out in a year. That right now is the time to sell high. The fact that he's entering arb years is not something we're overlooking; it's a huge asset to his trade value!! So there's really no arguing for or against something like that. It's a roll of the dice, some want to take it if they can get good value with OBP. Some dont want to take that risk, and feel the bullpen would be understaffed w/o him. There's all the sense in the world in that. But every year you have to rotate new talent into your bullpen. It's not that wild to think we'd have to do something all teams do constantly. And it will either work or it wont. In '05 we got lucky that some bullpen arms all decided to be alive at once. Not faulting anyone for wanting to hold onto him. But dont pretend like Jenks is the dominant guy he once was. If someone offers a great top of the lineup OBP speedster for Jenks, you really have to think about that. Because a position player will be around for awhile, whereas a pitcher can leave you any moment. See Scott Linebrink. My love for Jenks is too strong . But in reality, if someone (Poreda, Richard etc) stepped up for an entire season, then I could see trading him. But seeing how fragile bulpens are for the majority of teams, I'm not dumping the one of the 2 solid guys we have until I'm certain there is someone there to step up.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Oct 10, 2008 -> 01:18 PM) It's not the dumbest idea posted. Jenks is a risk to keep around, and always will be. His elbow is rebuilt and his K rate is dropping at an alarming rate. He's still great, but he has red flags and to not even consider trading him at peak value would be one of the dumbest ideas, imo. I don't want to trade Jenks just for the sake of trading him at peak value, but if there was a suitable option to replace him then sure. Well there is no suitable option. Moving Thorndog to the closer role means you lose him in the 7th or 8th. Nobody we have is guaranteed to fill that spot like he can/did. The way I see it, we have 2 reliable guys in our 'pen: Thorton and Jenks. And until someone steps up and proves to be as reliable as them, neither one of those guys is moving.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 06:57 PM) I love Bobby, and i don't want to see him traded. That being said, if he was, Thorton as Closer and Poreda as set-up man makes an awful lot of sense Why is Poreda a lock for "awesome setup man". Trading away one of the best closers in the game while he is under team control for years and makes

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Oct 10, 2008 -> 07:31 AM) Because nobody in the history of the MLB has ever had a bad year and came back from it, right? Hey now, dont try to bring logic in here. Apparently there are a ton of teams interested in a young, versatile, power hitting guy like Swish and we could get an awesome return for him, but for some reason the sox wouldn't be interested in a guy like that depsite already having him on the f***ing team. We could always wait till the trading deadline and get A-rod for him, right?

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 06:54 PM) Why in the world would you think Swisher's value is a s***ty A ball pitcher? This is yet another case of Sox fans way overvaluing or undervaluing their own players. Think about it this way: if Swisher comes here and does what he did that one year in Oakland, and he performs to his ceiling, Swisher isn't available for anything less than the superstars on the market, like possibly Roy Halladay, Prince Fielder, Ryan Howard, and Jake Peavy. Swisher had a down year in 2007 - and "selling low" on Swisher netted Billy Beane Gio, DLS, and Sweeney. I don't know why people think Beane sold high on Swish, he didn't sell high at all. Swisher seriously regressed from the previous year, and had he not regressed he would've cost much more than the Sox could have offered. Let's say you are a GM. There is a guy like Swish available who is still coming into his prime, is versatile, and on a cheap contract for the next few seasons. Players like this don't usually become available. If you offer nothing but garbage then you're not getting that player. There are teams out there with young players who haven't set the world on fire that the Sox like. If a deal could be made that swaps out one underachieving player with a star ceiling for another, and that deal addresses other needs and in turn makes the club as a whole better, why wouldn't you consider it? Because Swisher's value is low? That's stupid. You guys make all these comments about not wanting GM's who will sell low on a player, but every GM is forced to sell low on players. If Swish comes back next year and has a season just like 2008 people all over this board will be b****ing about KW acquiring a s***ty player and waiting too long to deal him. Kenny isn't going to give up Swish for scraps if he trades him at all, and no GM out there is going to actually think he can pick up Swisher for some s***ty A-ball pitcher. If the Giants on the other hand offer a deal centered around Fred Lewis, who would give us a lead-off hitter and fill CF, or the Yankees offered Melky Cabrera and a prospect, or the Rays offered a young pitcher, etc. why wouldn't you consider it? Out of the four players mentioned, Swish/Dye/Paulie/Thome, Swisher might have the most value of the group. He at the very least has the 2nd most value of the group and there's no reason to think that just because he had a bad year no other team would offer anything of value for him. Again, I'll state this little idea since nobody seems to answer it: If getting Swish is such a great idea for other teams (coming into his prime, versitle, cheap, etc) WHY THE HELL WOULD THE WHITE SOX GET RID OF HIM? If there is apparently a ton of interest in other teams in a guy like that, why f*** would the Sox not also be interested? Think about that stupid argument i've seen numerous times now, it makes no sense. What does make sense is to trade an aging outfielder who had a great year while his value is the highest it will ever be, not trading a young outfielder coming off a down year. JD lost about 80mph on his swing near the end of the year, and if people think he's gonna replicate this season for 2 years you're nuts. Thome isn't going anywhere, PK isn't going anywhere. That leaves the older max-valued Dye and younger min-valued Swish. So if you're argument is "Well Swish has awesome value" then again, why the f*** would we get rid of a guy with that much upside? And I'm sorry, I love Swish and all, but even if he hits that "ceiling" you're not getting Roy f***ing Holliday or Peavy for him.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 02:24 PM) I have to agree with what you are saying here. Why trade Dye, who is still a productive hitter, a great RBI guy, good fielder and a team player. PK is the captain of the team and was plagued by injuries in 2008. When healthy he will hit .300/35 HR/110 RBI Thome maybe, but you are limited to DH roles and he still can hit the homer and get on base via the walk so I see CF/3B and 2B as the spots where upgrades can be made too. But, I am thinking Swisher is in CF most of the time again with some at LF/RF and 1B You trade Dye, because of the 4, he has the most value and is coming off a good year and would be the easiest to trade. He isn't getting any younger or faster, so why not trade him at almost top value?

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 12:13 AM) You people that would rather have Swisher than Dye because "Swisher's value is low right now" lol... Not really, people don't want to dump Swish for a s***ty A ball pitcher after his worst year ever. Dye is old and had a good year and we may be able to get decent value from him.