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why do they insist on bunting AJ. HE CAN"T f***ING DO IT. STOP

bah, weak. They better come back in the second game, i'll be there.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Sep 9, 2008 -> 02:29 PM) The Blue Jays have not flown out in this game and have 4 infield pop-outs to go along with 5 K's. Pretty impressive he needs to get through the 7th. Offensively the Sox need ot do something, anything to work the pitch count and get to the pen. Don't they have the best pen in the AL?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 9, 2008 -> 02:16 PM) He would go there and they have the money, but i cant see them throwing another $125 million dollar contract on another pitcher after this Zito disaster... Can you imagine if they did pay him, and he got hurt or something. Quarter of a billion on a 4-5 starter and a guy on the DL haha

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 9, 2008 -> 02:04 AM) When I read how many doctors were to be in the room for CQ surgery ... ain't no way he'll be back this year. We'll be lucky to get him for spring training. I agree Joe is done. Sad story bout his back. Considering he didn't even need to be knocked out, I wouldn't compare it to brain surgery. My buddy just had a pin put in his wrist (from punching a shed ) about a 1.5 weeks ago and will be out of the cast by this friday.

cmon kg, light it up.

QUOTE (Yoda @ Sep 8, 2008 -> 01:25 PM) Did any of the above hit one against Cliff Lee? I didn't think so. Luckily no one will have to see him in the playoffs. Do any of the contending/playoff teams have a Cliff Lee caliber guy? Nope.

QUOTE (Yoda @ Sep 8, 2008 -> 01:56 PM) Respectively, the White Sox are not a team to loose sleep over. This is a team that has relied a lot on three things this season and they are: pitching, Carlos Quentin, and the long ball. One of those three are out of the picture and now they have to take into consideration if they can continue to play at a level where they can be competitive enough to try and defeat teams that have a.) pitching b.) defense c.) play fundamental baseball d.) have various sources to winning (i.e. small ball). ehh I don't know about that. When 2-9 have a legitimate shot of hitting one 400ft, JD, a hot PK, Thome, Griffey, A-ram, and Swish. Los should be back in a month or by the playoffs and could help even more. A healthy Linebrink, a Macdougal that has seemingly learned how to throw a strike again, and Jenks.

Well if/when we win the division, we will play either TB or Bos (I don't think the WC comes out of the central). In that case, as bad as we have looked against TB, I'd still rather play them in a playoff series because: -Home games for TB have are not a huge disadvantage (outside of the turfness) since nobody buys tickets -They are young and have literally 0 playoff experience -No Josh Beckett

why in the holy f*** is carrasco pitching in a 9-0 game??? Get liney and macdaddy some work. jesus

I said it in the gamethread as well but, if you have Swish who can play average D in all OF spots, and Griffey who is below-average CF and 0 LF experience, it makes sense.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Sep 5, 2008 -> 03:44 PM) Damn, that's dissapointing. There is zero reason he should ever step foot in CF while CQ is hurt. Swisher isn't Torii Hunter out there, but he gets quality jumps and plays a FAR better CF. This is just Ozzie having zero imagination But if Swisher is adequate in both positions and Griffey is below-avg in CF and atrocious in LF, what can you do?

As long as Oz does this right, and doesn't put JO in the lineup everyday, I think Kenny G will step it up.

QUOTE (CQMVP @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 09:11 PM) How was Jerry Owens in the leadoff spot last year, any worse than OC in the leadoff spot this year? Their stats are pretty much identical.... except Owens actually knows how to steal bases. But OC is a huge improvement huh? lol Some of you guys have blinders on. Man, you gotta stop, please, stop. You're complaining about off season moves that landed us: a near lock for MVP, a future all star 2b, a lock down bullpen (when healthy), an upgrade at SS, a high OBP guy who can play 4 positions and most importantly......a 1st place team. Are you insane or just ignorant? jesus "By the way, why do people keep bringing up our improvement over last year? Seriously. Last year was one of the most underperforming White Sox teams I've watched in the last 10 years. We were picked to win the central last year with the team we had... Making zero changes to this team, we still would have improved dramatically over last year. There was no way not to." Really? You want Tavares out in LF instead of Q? How about Andy gonzalez at SS and Ryan Buckvich pitching the 8th? Seriously, stop, you can't win.

QUOTE (CQMVP @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 03:50 PM) How many games has OC won for us with his "added offense" over Uribe? Now how many games has he cost us with his lackluster effort at SS? Having watched almost every game this year, I can tell you with almost 100% certainty, that he has cost us more games with his s***ty play on defense, than he has won for us with his bat. ehh, its easy to say "i know he's cost us games" but you can't back that claim up. For all of Uribe's awesomeness on D, he's made some bonehead plays trying to be flashy too. And having 2x the strikeouts and a pathetic OBP is kind of a big deal. Anyways, how the hell can you claim this was a terrible off-season? Aside from the miracle that is Tampa Bay, we have the best turnaround in baseball and have been in first for 100+ days. How is that bad? With your moves, we have no Swisher and no OC. Which as a result means: no Danks, no swisher to fill in for a hurt PK, no Uribe to fill in for hurt Crede, Sweeney possibly playing in left instead of some guy named Quentin. For me, I'll take OC and Swish over Garland and Gio Gonzalez any day.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 03:30 PM) Actually Floyd had zero options, which means it meant no Danks. Which means the Ace of our staff would have been in AAA. Plus his post doesnt make much sense past that either. He claimed 30 points in batting avg "isnt much" haha, this is true. also, OC .327 OBP and .274 avg, half the K's, more BB.

QUOTE (CQMVP @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 02:43 PM) The only way OC brings us two draft picks, is if the White Sox offer him 8+mil next year... if I'm not mistaken. You guys really think that's going to happen? I don't. So he's basically worthless to us. Not disappointed in him? lol You guys don't watch many games, do you? Gold glove caliber my ass. He's got a noodle arm, he doesn't get in front of the ball, he is always taking the round about way to grounders, and he has cost us a LOT of games by not making the play when he needed to. He should probably have anywhere from 5-10 more errors than he's been given credit for. I imagine that's because he's OC, and they don't want to have to deal with him calling them up after every error to argue it.(that just screams selfish) He's playing like a player that is just worried about his statistics, and not what he is contributing to this team winning. His defense has been nothing even CLOSE to what it was touted to be. Highly overrated. As I said, give me Juan Uribe at SS every day. I'd be more than happy with that. At least we knew what to expect day in and day out. A very streaky hitter, with a cannon for an arm, that makes the big plays on defense. Have you even watched the games he's played this year at 3B and SS? He's been pretty excellent. We are in MUCH better shape right now with Garland on this team, instead of OC. At least then, we have a quality pitcher to step in for the injuries. The lack of a #5 in the rotation is going to cost us a playoff spot. Mark my words. We don't NEED OC's offense. All 30 points higher average than Juan Uribe that he brings. Our pitching carried us in the beginning of the year when OC and the rest of our hitters were non-existant. That is, until we started getting hurt... Pitching wins baseball games. If our pitching hadn't went to complete crap after the first few months, we'd be safely in the playoffs right now, because our offense came around. We just started giving up 8 runs a game at the same time. Swisher, .226, and a pretty below average CF on defense. A guy that we gave up two top prospects for. One of which, is a starting pitcher, which, again, we're SORELY lacking right now. Kenny's offseason moves left us with zero options on the mound. P.S. With, or without OC, this team has no leadoff hitter... That has been our NUMBER ONE PROBLEM since we won the WS. It continues to be our #1 problem 3 years later. Completely unacceptable. We will not be competing for the world series until Kenny fixes this. You also realize that, with Garland, there is no Floyd right? Floyd has been the best big-game pitcher and a close 2nd to best overall on this staff. We also have Uribe at SS and when Crede goes down.....Pablo? Now I hate OC as a person as much as anyone, but after his slow start he's been decent enough. As for the Swisher deal, i love it and him. We gave up ehh in prospects, and got a young and inexpensive guy who brings some sorely needed energy to the team and can play multiple positions. I thank god everyday we didn't end up overpaying out the ass for f***indome and am confident Swisher will be a 30+ hr and .350+ OBP guy in the future.

ozzie said that if you take yourself out of a lineup (which Q did) then you always sit the one after it.

QUOTE (sox1844 @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 02:16 PM) I also don't get why people think that Swisher's "amazing" personality is going to change the fact that he's a career .250 hitter. I bet his clown attitude is more annoying in the clubhouse than it is motivating. I'd much rather have him than a team full of PK's and JD's who sit on the bench and read books in between innings.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 11:43 AM) were you the guy sitting next to the guy in the cubs shirt? yeah, I would hope if you sat next to that idiot you would punch him in the neck. "Hur hur hur, lets go to a Indians vs. Sox game and wear Cubs jerseys"

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 11:31 PM) This comes up now and then, and a lot of misguided people point to Pods and 'Ozzieball' as reasons we won in 05, when it's simply not true. Amazing starting and bullpen pitching and home runs won it. In 05, they were 5th in the league in HRs. 22nd in OBP. 11th in Slugging. Dead last in doubles. It wasn't really grindy ozzie ball like people want to think it was. It wasn't as easy as outing Maggs and Lee and inserting Pods on the offensive side. I'd much rather have this lineup over the 05 offense that struggled mightily at times. You don't need an entire philosophical change. Yeah people tend to think it was "ozzzzzzie ballll" that won the WS. It wasn't. It was the lights out bullpen and 4 stud starting pitchers, defense, and a dash of offense. Do we rely on the hr? Of course, look where we play 81 games out of the season. The pitching carried us in the beginning of the season, then the offense came around and the pitching fell off a bit. Now that both the pitching and offense have been sketchy, we struggle. This team is streaky as hell, and I'd rather them "get hot" around September 15 and last for a few weeks.

ehh, we just lost to a guy with 20 wins on one of the worst teams in baseball. Could be worse.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 07:05 PM) Haven't we heard that phrase or something like it so often as to make it pretty much meaningless at this point? Yep, and that's why we're in last place in September....

So does that mean if you're bad against bad teams that you just suck?

The Big Juan. The Fat Juan. Juan "Swing for the fences" Uribe. Slim Jim Mr. Burrelly El Los The Dirty Cuban Missle Crisis Ocab Big Bad Robert Jenks Jdizzle Clutch Crede