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1 hour ago, zisk said:
In a month or so, you can use the 30$ to buy 4 box seats behind the dugout to a friday night game on stub hub. Of course then you might feel
obligated to attend.
As long as that $30 can also buy parking or an ice cream, we’re in. I just won’t spend $80-100 to get there and park to watch us lose 7-1 or 8-2 and see ~17-20 guys who won’t be on the roster in 2 years. We can watch on TV until we’re getting blown out, then shoot hoops or practice baseball outside.
I can also drive 30 minutes, see MiLB for 10-15% of the cost, and it is more likely to be a competitive game.
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38 minutes ago, Panerista said:
Won't happen, but you know Jerry isn't going to move the team.
This ends when Jerry dies. Not one second before.
Is there any benefit to him selling the Sox or his share of the Sox now? I remember in the past him wanting to keep the Bulls in the family but sell the Sox. I also wonder how the ownership agreement works with all the Sox partners if JR isn’t the managing partner. I would guess there would be no shortage of potential owners who would buy the team and be willing to spend more.
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8 minutes ago, nrockway said:
Totally agree, well said. Side note, I was trying to avoid the score so I could watch the replay (so why come to a white Sox forum? A mystery) but now I know I don’t have to subject myself to watching this team, you’ve saved my Friday evening!
Normally I would say, “Oh crap! Sorry for ruining that.” However, you might find more excitement pulling weeds or cleaning out a fridge.
My son put on the Sox jersey he got for his birthday and wanted to watch a few innings before bed. He looked at the score and said, “The Sox aren’t good at scoring runs, but the teams we play are.” Someone asked why I got the jersey blank. I said it was like $30 cheaper, and I wasn’t confident any of the actual options we could get would be on the team for the entire year or into the future.
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23 minutes ago, nrockway said:
I think this is the reality though and sort of what I'm judging Pedro on...this is a loser team (through no fault of his own) and we really do need to claw for every win (are we winning right now? I'm waiting to watch the replay). How well can Pedro hold onto leads with his bullpen decisions? Kopech helps because he can (and should) go two innings at a time without sacrificing stuff. Frankly, I don't see why he can't close out leads after the 6th inning two or three times a week, he's a starting pitcher and presumably prepared for the season like a starting pitcher. I guess baseball teams don't do this anymore, but why can't Kopech throw 90 to 100 innings out of the bullpen?
I'm skeptical about Pedro's lineup/bullpen decisions because they seem formulaic and like a formula that the MLB moved past a long time ago but I can appreciate where his head is at, that he has the power to decide outcomes of certain games if he makes good managerial decisions.
I wonder if they’re being told not to over-use Kopech because he 1.) could be traded or 2.) is a likely future piece versus several of the current players. This is the type of year where we need to identify a reliever who is not afraid to toss up 2-3 innings and then come back to toss 2-3 innings 2 days later. It may be more of a soft-tosser/rubber arm, but that is one person who saves the pen. Maybe a guy later in his career who wants to play in the Show. You also could see why position player could eat an inning or two in a game like we’re currently in, down 9-1…make that 11-1.
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Good to pick up a win. Our relief pitching, especially Kopech, and our doubles hitting tonight were positives. Perhaps Kopech in this relief role like this is where he can add the most value.
What concerns me: the strikeouts. I see a lot of pitchers having double-digit Ks against us, and it wouldn’t be surprising to see us on the receiving end up having a game with 15 or 18 Ks. Also, playing Maldonado when he’s batting under .100 and striking out 30% of the time. Does Maldonado really give us that much of an upgrade on defense and development to let him add nearly nothing to the lineup?
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On 4/7/2024 at 8:59 PM, ScootsMcGoots said:
Prime in terms of putting a winning product on the field. The 94-08 Sox and 90s Bulls are long gone. There has been nearly zero winning since. That is what I mean by he's long past his prime.
We’re definitely on the same page. It’s possible Virginia McCaskey could put a winning Bears’ team on the field next year, even at 101.
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24 minutes ago, ScootsMcGoots said:
Since 2013, our beloved Chicago White Sox have had exactly one full season where the team was above .500--2021. I'm not counting the pandemic year as a real season, none of us were able to enjoy it in person anyway. Let that soak in. 10 years. 2024 will be 11. One. Fucking. Season. And our competition is Detroit, Cleveland, Minnesota and Kansas City. Gag me. So utterly pathetic. I'm going to list the record below so we can all be reminded of how disgusting this organization has been run:
2013: 63-99
2014: 73-89
2015: 76-86
2016: 78-84
2017: 67-95
2018: 62-100
2019: 72-89
2020: 35-25
2021: 93-69
2022: 81-81
2023: 61-101
And 2024 we are starting at 1-9. Probably will be the worst season out of that list. Reinsdorf, it's time to hang it up. You are well past your prime.
I am guessing that you’re talking about JR’s prime in terms of spending money? I don’t care if our owner is 110 as long as they are willing to give the team some semblance of resources. I still haven’t found much of a reason to make some of the signings we did, rather than spend less and give innings to guys who will actually be here. That was also surprising.
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There will be positive individual impacts to this season. Hopefully we see we have 2-3 guys who can start in the future.
Two of our better offensive guys on a likely 50-60 win club are now injured at the start of the year. I would guess they aren’t going to be rushed back. That may not cost us a ton of wins or matter in the scheme of things, but it could cost us a few.
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19 hours ago, BigHurt3515 said:
Korey Lee has already shown more pop than any other healthy player on the roster right now, he should be the ever day starter but this manager and organization don't want to play the young guys
This was my argument. If we aren’t serious about competing and JR wants to save money, have Lee be the everyday starter with a veteran back-up. It gives a year tryout to see what is there with him. The slogan, “We’re seeing if these kids can play.”
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I’m trying to explain to my kids how the team is so bad. After a lot of conversation, they seem to understand 1.) how bad this ownership group is at giving resources to bring in enough MLB talent to compete and 2.) how the guys we have aren’t hitting 3.) injuries although that doesn’t seem to have had a major impact yet.
While it has been an interesting exercise to get it to their level, boy does it make you feel like we have no shot until ownership and administration is gone. When asked, “Well, how can we win?” I had to explain that we need a lot of young guys to develop better than they are and some older players to have the best years of their career.
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5 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:
They both have three years left and already a TJS under their belt.
Kopech is a bad temperament in addition to risky arm imo.
Kopech is showing an UFA in 2026, so we have 2 years including this one.
It’s possible we could add a year or two for him, but he only has 1 year that we would be buying out of arbitration, and it’s one he would already be looking at a raise from this year’s $3 million salary. That would put him over $10 million in career earnings.
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1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:
"I really don’t have much for you guys," Grifol said after the game. "These are ones you’ve just got to flush and get ready to play tomorrow."
Over/under on hearing this during the season +/- 20? We could hear some version of this quite often.
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4 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:
Only value he’s going to bring is innings. Would be shocked and glad if a team actually gives up something for him but it ain’t happening.
Would a team that is in the playoff hunt but down a starter or two to injury want him? I think that situation for a performing Clevinger could net something. It may not be much, but it could be “something.”
The Sox aren’t likely to be competing in July, and we could see a historically bad start. So, I could see him being one of the first starters dealt.
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43 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
Well I think Shaw is gone Wednesday for Nastrini anyway. So that slot is a little bit of a placeholder. I’d still have kept Cousins in AAA as he’d almost certainly be used in the bigs st some point. and I doubt the cash considerations are much. But oh well.
I have to wonder if we’re talking $10k or $25k. I guess every bit helps offset the lost ticket revenue. It will be interesting when we start trading some of the guys we just signed.
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1 hour ago, ScootsMcGoots said:
If in fact they do get the Braves games in, they'll easily be 0-6. The question is how bad does it get until changes are made. Obviously it's not all Grifol's fault but he doesn't belong in the dugout. He has to be the first one to go. Does Getz have the balls to do it is the question.
I would venture unless we’re sitting at say 5-25 to start the year that we won’t see a change. With how they constructed this roster, they know 110 losses is possible.
Grifol will be dumped at some point as the scapegoat. That said, he shouldn’t be the manager.
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I’m a huge Illinois State fan, so having him on the Sox is nice. I will probably try to get something game-used from him. It is more hope that he turns it around. I don’t expect this out of him, but I would love to see good defense, .240 average, and 15-20 HRs.
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8 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:
It does look amazing.. But that price is outrageous lol
The publicity picture looks great. I look forward to the actual “what’s served” pictures. I can’t say I would be thrilled about dropping $30 on getting them for the kids, but they love a good helmet sundae.
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1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:
Bottom four in the lineup went 0-12. 11 strike outs, zero walks for the team. Nothing has changed there.
The first of many losses and bad baseball all summer long.
My older son is into baseball now, so we watched a couple innings together. At 6, he was calling out why none of those hitters were putting the ball in play. It was interesting trying to explain what this season will probably look like, but I told him it may give us the opportunity to go to an extra game or two because they’ll be so cheap and without many people around.
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1 minute ago, chw42 said:
Two terrible calls that AB.
It becomes harder and harder to not advocate for automated balls and strikes when you see a zone like that. What do you do when you’re a hitter and that bad of calls are made.
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I have two young sons who were asking if we were going to get to go to more Sox games this year. My answer was yes, and we would likely be able to sit close, because the tickets probably will not be very expensive. It is moves like having an Opening Day starter with 73 IP in his career.
Don’t get me wrong, Crochet is talented, but going with multiple starters who are likely to go 3-4 innings vs 5-7 is going to require a revolving door from Charlotte to get through the season. This is where a guy who can throw 3 IP in relief twice over a 5-6 day span could be helpful.
This is a serious question: what non-pitcher on our roster has enough in his arm to throw strikes for a couple innings a couple times throughout the year? If we’re down huge with an inning or two to go, does losing 10-1 or 13-1 having someone eat an inning or two really matter? Fans may have more fun if Paul DeJong or Nicky Lopez (making up guys here) comes in and fans a guy.
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On 1/10/2024 at 9:35 PM, wegner said:
What a battle it will be at Spring Training. 93 guys vying for those 5 starting rotation spots......in Charlotte.
This made me laugh!
Having a bevy of guys we can throw out there for 2-3-4 innings of relief is likely a necessity if we have guys like Kopech getting pulled after giving up 4-5 (or more) runs in 4-5 (or fewer) innings. Maybe out of all these guys were signing, someone turns it around. By DFA, trade, release or whatever means, I think we all know most of these guys aren’t around next year.
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9 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said:
I think if Soroka is healthy both him and Shuster are in the rotation ideally
This is exactly my thought. We need guys we can put in the rotation, and this gives us two options. We lost a SS in Anderson, but we pick up an option at middle IF. If any part of this deal works out for us, we could be looking at a pretty good deal. If we get multiple guys to contribute somehow, this could be a steal of a deal.
It’s not looking like we will seriously compete in 2024 without a whole lot of guys emerging/having career years. We will have plenty of innings to give guys to show us what they have.
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1 hour ago, GreatScott82 said:
He was a -2.0 WAR player last year and has averaged only 118 games per season during his career. I’m sure some of his offensive decline was due to injuries. However, between his personal issues, getting knocked out in Cleveland and decline defensively at SS, I can’t blame Getz for not taking that club option.
Back in the day, when TA was locked in and hitting, he was the spark plug for the lineup. Sadly, with his subpar defensive (at best), when TA isn’t hitting, he’s more of a liability.The best case scenario for Timmy is to make the shift over to 2B and hope to rebound offensively on a 1 year deal somewhere on a winning team.
As far as the Sox go, I sure hope they are not rushing Montgomery up next year. He needs one more full season down in the minors.
On a positive note, the Sox only have $118 million committed to the 2024 roster as it stands. Getz appears to have $$ to spend this winter. Unless Scrooge McDuck significantly reduces payroll…
It sure will be an interesting winter. I’m not sure how Getz can convince any FA to come to the White Sox?
A FA is going to come here if we’re the highest deal and believes we can compete in a year. They know they’ll get PT. People who already have rings may not be as worried about being in a playoff hunt right away.
The problem is how often have the Sox shown they’ll sign top guys to the deals they need to get them here.
Bringing in a couple impactful players now for 2025+ could help not having a big group of guys needing to gel and having a slow start. Find who your 2025+ leaders are going to be.
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52 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:
If they get off to an awful start next season Grifol will be fired by Memorial Day.
I would agree with that. One thing for sure with Grifol managing this squad: it will be easy to get tickets. I feel bad for the ticket sales/renewals team going into this offseason. What do they have to point to for 2024?
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4/13 GT - Reds at Sox (1:10pm)
in 2024 Season in Review
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I watch the games if my kids want to or for background noise. They now ask questions like: “Why don’t the Sox spend money?” Or “Will they score any runs when we go?”
They asked why we are so bad, and I was brutally honest with them.