ThunderBolt

We're really going to leave Huddy high and dry here, aren't we?

QUOTE (WCSox @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 03:27 PM) Different work environments = different results. By your logic, Randy Moss should've been a stud in Oakland. How'd that work out? Football and Baseball are radically different sports. Swish plays in a sport where he depends on his own talent, not that of a QB throwing him a ball.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 03:02 PM) If Nady hadn't have been injured, Swisher would have been riding the bench. Considering how awesome you think he is offensively, wouldn't the minor defensive upgrade you give Gardner and Cabrera be offset by all of Dirty Thirty's awesomeness. Swisher is a bad CF. The White Sox came to the conclusion before they traded Swisher that he would not be playing CF anymore. You are also assuming Swisher would have bounced back in Chicago when in NY he's about 15th on the totem pole, and in Oakland, not many players get too much scrutiny. Swisher coming back would have been a whole different circumstance and there is really no way of knowing what he would do. We do know when the Sox could have used him last year, except for June, he was awful. I’m not sure how big of an assumption it would be to think Swish would bounce back this year considering, you know, HE’S BOUNCING BACK, RIGHT NOW. Every measurable statistic said that Swish was unlucky last year. His BABIP was absurd. His defense in CF is adequate, and is offset my ability to get on base, and drive in runners from both sides of the plate I’d find the argument that he shouldn’t have been in CF this year, a lot more appealing if his main competition wasn’t Jerry Owens, Brian Anderson, and Dewayne Wise. Also, I don’t think it should be to Swisher’s detriment that he only stared performing after Nady got hurt. Nady got hurt, Swish played well. s*** happens. The Yankees got him as insurance, it paid off in spades. I can tell you from 1st hand experience that they love him out here. How do you like Marquez, Betemit, and Nunez?

Dan Hudson throws way too many pitches, but he's still putting a nice show on here. Come spring, when he has everything figured out, he'll be attacking the strike zone just like Floyd and Danks ended up doing.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 02:49 PM) Swisher is not above average at CF. He played 0 games at CF this year and prior to joining the Sox had only started 57 games at CF for the A's. If he is even average, why dont the Yankees use him there? Because Brett Gardner is REALLY good in CF. Melkey Cabrera isn't half-bad himself. And neither has the power to play a corner OF spot. Swish does.

Wow, great turn-around by Hudson.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 02:35 PM) No Rios plays a premium defensive posiiton, so Id expect more for him than Swisher. Konerko was drafted as a catcher, should we move him there? People were concerned about Swisher in CF before he played 1 game, most fans just thought that he would be such an offensive improvement that it would make up for his potentially horrendous CF. Konerko switched to 1b in the minors. Swish came up as a CF, and played their in every stop in his career where he was not blocked by a superior defender. The comparison is absurd. Swish is above-average in 1b, Rf, Cf, and LF. Rios is awesome in CF, and above-average in RF. They're both good, versatile players.

10 hits. 1 Bomb. Even if Freddy was left in too long, he still got hit hard.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 02:17 PM) Yeah its irrational to trade a player who has to play out of position, is b****ing, is a clubhouse problem and didnt hit well. I wonder what the definition of rationale is in that world. Swisher was drafted as a CF. The only reason that he played anywhere else in Oakland was because they had Mark Kotsay in center, who was excellent in his healthy years. The only reason the arguement was made that he was playing out of position here was so Ozzie could validate playing Dewayne Wise everyday. Even in a "bad year" Swish hits 24 bombs, and walked 82 times in 497 AB's

QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 01:59 PM) If the thing DBAHO was hinting at (which is pretty bad, think Josh Hamilton) turned out to be more than a rumor I wonder if you'd change your mind. It's just that a: rumor. I've heard nothing but good things about Swish prior to his coming here, and nothing but good things during his time with the Yankees. Swish played for the A's in the Moneyball Era, a time when everything that clubhouse did was under a microscope. I don't see why we need to justify trading Swish for any other reason then Ozzie and he having an irrational dislike of each other.

Better bring it tonight, Huddy.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 01:39 PM) Ozzie confirmed before the game today that it was a veteran who he was calling out, and not one of Ramirez/Quentin/Beckham/Getz/Flowers I think AJ really is the most likely candidate. Paulie was drafted out of High school from Arizona Dye was drafted out of High School from a California HS. Brinkey went to Texas State University Peavy was drafted out of HS in Alabama Buehrle went to Jefferson College in Missouri Kotsay went to Cal-Fullerton Randy Williams went to Lamar DJ Carrasco was drafted out of HS in Arizona Thornton went to Grand Valley State in Michigan And AJ is an unabashed huge Florida guy who had signed a letter of intent to Tennessee, but chose to go pro. None of the other guys had their teams on that night, did they? We can’t rule out the possibility that one of them, like, AJ likes a team that doesn’t really add up logically from where they were born, but it’s not a huge leap to assume that the man in question is AJ.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 11:59 AM) It's safe to say you don't know what Swisher did outside the clubhouse in 2008. It's been mentioned on here a few times, and well, it isn't really good I'll put it that way. And it's also safe to say that you don't know the whole story about Swish either. NONE OF US DO. The best we can get is from the various hit pieces by Joe Cowley, and the reactions from Ozzie AFTER Swish left.

QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 26, 2009 -> 11:21 AM) I wonder if the meaning of most of these songs is, "We smoked marijuana." Not all these songs, just all Tom Petty songs.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 11:43 AM) Which teams were out there though in the off-season that would have given up more talent for Swisher, who was coming off a really bad season and had a lot of bad vibes about his antics out of the clubhouse? Here’s my 2nd point. You never trade a player when his value is at its absolute minimum.

It’s a shame. Every time I see a White Sox lead on ESPN, I can reasonably assume one of two things. 1. The White Sox have lost (badly), and Ozzie lost his f***ing mind, or 2. Mark Buehrle threw another no-hitter. Now, which one is the more common occurrence?

I'm kind of getting tired of Ozzie's antics. This is his go to media grab, the freak out.

Even if Nunez turns out to be a good one, you still don't trade a young, OPB-Oriented, switch-hitting slugger, who can play 1b and every place in the OF for a set-up man.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 01:36 AM) I watched it. He was rolling along til he got dinked around in the fifth or sixth. Or was it the seventh? Freddy looked good. He was being hit hard for outs, and soon those outs turned into singles. They added up by the end of the game.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 01:31 AM) Freddy wasn't bad. He was great then he got dinked around and a lot of singles. Freddy should be in the rotation next year unless he gets real fat this winter. I love Oz's rant! Freddy got his ass kicked, Greg. 10 hits and 1 hr allowed is not a very good night.

If Dan Hudson deals on sunday, stakes are going to be pretty high for Freddy's next start,

Every rational baseball fan could have told the White Sox organization that Swisher would bounce back. Every meaningful statistic pointed towards that conclusion.

I just looked at the boxscore. ARE YOU f***ING SERIOUS????

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 26, 2009 -> 05:43 PM) The Swisher trade was absolutely awful, and I'm happy to see KW getting some heat for it. Exactly. It was a disaster. There's no logical excuse for the return we got, not to mention for trading the guy in the 1st place. Probably the worst move KW has ever made.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Sep 26, 2009 -> 02:49 PM) DJ is overrated. He's a mop up man for criss' sake. Nothing more. Prior to this year, i would have agreed with you, bit he's really shown me something this year. He still leaves to many floating breaking balls up in the zone