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Mirotic is doubtful for Knicks game with an illness. I think he's played his last game with the Bulls. They are holding him out.

Josh Norris had some interesting tidbits in his chat on BA today: He's very high on Ian Hamilton. Said he has a 99 mph FB and is throwing a mid 90's slider. Talked about how Sox will have makings of a lockdown bullpen soon with Burdi, Hamilton and Vieira. He said Luis Gonzalez could be in the top 10 of the Sox system next year or he's one of the sleeper guys. He also confirmed that OF Tito Polo and SS Lenyn Sosa will be on the top 30.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 8, 2018 -> 09:12 AM) Interesting. Worries me a bit. While it's nice to see Hansen up there, you know that Sheets, Rutherford and Burger aren't jumping over Cease because of a great year. I'm fine with it though. I think I would probably move back on Cease and ask him to prove it for a year. If our org can get him up in innings and health as successfully as we were with Kopech and Hansen last year, then we'll see him back. I do hope though that it's because they hear positive things on Dunning being more than backend fodder, and something encouraging on Rutherford, Burger and Sheets. They like Dunning as a #3 starter. They were positive on Cease's stuff but it's the innings that are the issue. I think he's likely a reliever but he'll be pretty dominating in that role. I think Hansen is a top 25-30 prospect in baseball at this time next year. They think Burger stays at 3B as do I. Seeing Sheets that high was interesting. They disregarded his season in A ball because of the amount of games he had played. He hit well and just didn't hit for power. He drew a ton of walks too. They compared him to Lucas Duda. That team at Winston Salem could have Burger, Sheets, Robert, Rutherford, and Adolfo in their lineup theoretically.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2018...88uE2d2PGvUT.97 They released their list today and it's interesting. 1.Eloy Jimenez OF 2. Michael Kopech RHP 3. Alec Hansen RHP 4. Luis Robert OF 5. Dane Dunning RHP 6. Zack Collins C 7. Jake Burger 3B 8. Blake Rutherford OF 9. Gavin Sheets 1B 10. Dylan Cease

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 02:49 PM) See, I don't see the evidence. His advanced stats were the worst of his career in 2016, just beating out his 2015. Last year they rebounded a bit as he kept the ball in the park, and suspiciously threw the ball harder during his age 33 season. His age 34 season projections seem to take him more toward the replacement level pitcher he was in 2016. Replacement level 34 year olds aren't too flippable. Evidence has been posted. You are choosing to ignore it. 3.70 ERA, 2.23 FIP, 3.08 xFIP, 10.29 K/9, 3.21 BB/9, 54% GB rate. 1.7 fWAR. I'm sorry. That's not a pitcher who sucks. It just isn't. The biggest gripe is the home runs allowed and the blown saves. He probably doesn't have to close in Chicago. There's literally no downside to the trade.

This trade is so good that I'm not really sure how the White Sox were able to pull it off. They get two veteran relievers for basically just money. Avilan is death on lefties and had a 2.96 FIP last year. Soria, while blowing saves, struck out 10 batters per 9 and posted a 2.23 FIP. He likely won't be closing here and it doesn't matter anyway. The Sox got money, gave up nothing, and can likely trade both of these guys in July and get a hell of a lot more than Jake Peter. Excellent work.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 08:51 AM) I think people should quit giving Greg much crap about Soria. If he were so great, KC wouldn't have had to give up Alexander to get rid of the contract. Alexander might be a flash in the pan, Kelly Wunsch style, but he had some value. There's a pretty good chance the guy sucks, but from a White Sox point of view it makes sense to eat the money and gain at least another reliever as the paychecks for bullpen arms are rising very quickly. The deal makes no sense for Kansas City. Thye gave up multiple years of a really good LH reliever to dump Soria's contract so that they can overpay Eric Hosmer drastically. Woof.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 09:39 PM) He's so bad a city is rejoicing he's gone. I'll stop now but you guys have to calm down about Soria. He's really bad. Ask Caulfield. He has the numbers. If Coop can save him then yes you could 'maybe' flip him. But if Coop can't, I'm surprised you guys who don't seem to want to spend Jerry's money are OK with 9 million going to this guy per season. Here's how bad he is: "Over the last two seasons, Soria had 14 blown saves and a 3.89 ERA. He became a lightning rod for the frustrations of Royals fans, who had become accustomed to unprecedented success from a bullpen combination of Kelvin Herrera, Wade Davis and Greg Holland." Greg, stop. I don't need to ask Caulfield or any dumbass Kansas City goobers s***. You are acting like a clown. I know, I should be used to it by now but I'm trying to catch up on an informative thread and you've hijacked it with nonsense.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 12:03 PM) Realistically if he was signing dirt cheap I'm fairly confident we could flip him and easily get returning value of the 3rd round pick we give up. edit: I'm 100% confident tbh Sox would forfeit their 2nd pick. Which will be around 45. Not happening.

Big story today. Frank Lenti out as Head Coach and Mount Carmel and Jordan Lynch is taking over. MC reported it as a mutual parting but Lenti says otherwise.

Bad. Very very bad.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Dec 29, 2017 -> 02:18 PM) Right, but in the draft order you have listed already accounts for them getting the pick and that pushing us to 48, so if they don't get it then we are 47. Ahh I gotcha. My bad.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Dec 29, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) So this moves the Sox up to 47 regardless. Either the Rockies don't get the pick for losing Holland or they do lose him and get the pick but then lose the competitive balance pick. Not necessarily true. The Rockies technically give up their 3rd pick. If Holland re-signs with them (highly unlikely) they'd forfeit their actual 2nd rounder which doesn't move Sox up at all.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 29, 2017 -> 09:06 AM) So according to Fegan, Ruiz was protected on the 40 man for the rule 5 draft, but then the pads tried to float him past waivers after the draft when teams 40 may have been filled up. Sox claimed him. He may have been a target prior and was a surprise protection. Yep. Once they traded for Galvis they needed to create a spot.

Wade Davis signed a 3 year $52 million deal with Colorado today. The Rockies have to forfeit their 3rd highest pick in order to do this. The Rockies pick at #22 and have a Competitive Balance pick at #44. Once Greg Holland signs, they'll get a pick after round 1. Once that happens, they'll forfeit #44 which moves the White Sox up another spot. 1. Tigers 2. Giants 3. Phillies 4. White Sox 5. Reds 6. Mets 7. Padres 8. Braves 9. Athletics 10. Pirates 11. Orioles 12. Jays 13. Marlins 14. Mariners 15. Rangers 16. Rays 17. Angels 18. Royals 19. Twins 20. Twins 21. Brewers 22. Rockies 23. Yankees 24. Cubs 25. Diamondbacks 26. Red Sox 27. Nationals 28. Astros 29. Indians 30. Dodgers 31. Rays (Alex Cobb) 32. Royals (Eric Hosmer) 33. Royals (Lorenzo Cain) 34. Royals (Mike Moustakas) 35. Rockies (Greg Holland) 36. Indians (Carlos Santana) Competitive Balance Round A 37. Pirates 38. Rays (Comp, failure to sign Rasmusses) 39. Orioles 40. Padres 41. Diamondbacks 42. Royals 43. Indians 44. Rockies 45. Cardinals 2nd Round 46. Tigers 47. Giants 48. White Sox

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 24, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) I just don't see how Frazier's value dropped so much that he's not a headliner for Cole. What are the reasons for Frazier's drop in value because I'm not seeing it? I don't either. It's possible that Pittsburgh just wants another position as a headliner. If if they trade McCutchen, they'd still have Polanco/Marte/Meadows. I could see them wanting pitching and Miguel Andujar from NY. It does make sense though that the Sox would be in as a 3 way type deal possibly. I truly think Hahn probably "checked" in because it's his job. Something like this could work possibly though. Pittsbugh Gets: Reynaldo Lopez, Justus Sheffield, 2 more prospects NY Gets: Gerrit Cole White Sox Get: Clint Frazier

The Athletic is like $4 per month. It's an incredible bargain for fantastic writing.

I wrote about what a Matt Kemp trade to the White Sox could look like: https://theloopsports.com/2017/12/20/white-...t-of-matt-kemp/

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 09:22 AM) I don't think they'll get less at the deadline. Probably get the same amount if not more. Disagree. Teams will get to offer him a QO if acquired before the season and recoup a 1st or 2nd round pick for his services. Not the same at deadline. They are asking for too much.

The White Sox have the 4th pick in the 2018 draft but their 2nd round pick will continue to move around until the end of the offseason. I will continue to update this list as the offseason goes on. There are 30 1st round picks and there are 9 Competitive Balance Round A picks. Also, once Cobb, Hosmer, Cain, Moustakas, Holland, and Sanatan sign, those teams get 1st round picks between the 1st round and competitive balance round. I will assume they sign and put the picks in to start and then take away and move the White Sox 2nd rounder up as guys off the the board. The Cubs and Cardinals will receive picks after the 2nd round once Arrieta, Davis and Lynn sign elsewhere. Carlos Santana signed a 3 year $60 million deal with the Phillies. The Phillies will forfeit their 2nd round pick to do so thus moving the White Sox from #49 to #48. 1. Tigers 2. Giants 3. Phillies 4. White Sox 5. Reds 6. Mets 7. Padres 8. Braves 9. Athletics 10. Pirates 11. Orioles 12. Jays 13. Marlins 14. Mariners 15. Rangers 16. Rays 17. Angels 18. Royals 19. Twins 20. Twins 21. Brewers 22. Rockies 23. Yankees 24. Cubs 25. Diamondbacks 26. Red Sox 27. Nationals 28. Astros 29. Indians 30. Dodgers 31. Rays (Alex Cobb) 32. Royals (Eric Hosmer) 33. Royals (Lorenzo Cain) 34. Royals (Mike Moustakas) 35. Rockies (Greg Holland) 36. Indians (Carlos Santana) Competitive Balance Round A 37. Pirates 38. Rays (Comp, failure to sign Rasmusses) 39. Orioles 40. Padres 41. Diamondbacks 42. Royals 43. Indians 44. Rockies 45. Cardinals 2nd Round 46. Tigers 47. Giants 48. White Sox

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Dec 16, 2017 -> 10:02 AM) But it moves back one from the Indians getting the comp pick, so basically its the same. No it's actually not because the Indians were always getting that pick. That was factored in. Here's the draft order. 1. Tigers 2. Giants 3. Phillies 4. White Sox 5. Reds 6. Mets 7. Padres 8. Braves 9. Athletics 10. Pirates 11. Orioles 12. Jays 13. Marlins 14. Mariners 15. Rangers 16. Rays 17. Angels 18. Royals 19. Twins 20. Twins 21. Brewers 22. Rockies 23. Yankees 24. Cubs 25. Diamondbacks 26. Red Sox 27. Nationals 28. Astros 29. Indians 30. Dodgers 31. Rays (Alex Cobb) 32. Royals (Eric Hosmer) 33. Royals (Lorenzo Cain) 34. Royals (Mike Moustakas) 35. Rockies (Greg Holland) 36. Indians (Carlos Santana) Competitive Balance Round A 37. Pirates 38. Rays (Comp, failure to sign Rasmusses) 39. Orioles 40. Padres 41. Diamondbacks 42. Royals 43. Indians 44. Rockies 45. Cardinals 2nd Round 46. Tigers 47. Giants 48. White Sox

No. The White Sox aren't contenders in 2018. Steamer has them projected to win 63 games. They will probably do a bit better than that but they lack the pitching depth and overall talent to even consider contending. Starting Pitchers on the 40 man: James Shields (bad), Lucas Giolito, Reynaldo Lopez, Carson Fulmer (young), Dylan Covey (very bad), Carlos Rodon (rehabbing). Relievers: Nate Jones (hurt last year), Juan Minaya (unproven), Gregory Infante (meh), Danny Farquhar (solid but unspectacular), Thyago Veiera (not a lock to make roster initially), Jace Fry (unproven, young), Aaron Bummer (tremendous upside, unproven). That's the current pitching staff. There will be additions but that's not the staff of a contender.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 01:25 PM) To be fair, wasn't Avi in roughly that same prospect range ( #48 if I recall ) when we acquired him for Jake Peavy? Yeah. Toronto isn't trading Bichette for him now though. They can use Bichette to get a much bigger fish than Avisail Garcia

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 01:20 PM) I'd absolutely love a deal with Toronto. Bichette ++ would be great. Bichette is a top 35-50 prospect in baseball. No chance Avi has that type of value.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:03 AM) The Pirates got Burdi for $500k of international bonus money while we have ~$1mil that we can't use. The White Sox actually only have $500K in international space left. Also, Hahn said that they were interested in 2 guys in the Rule 5. One of them went before the Sox and they found out Wednesday night that the other guy they wanted needed a significant surgery. Then they decided to trade the pick.