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QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 18, 2018 -> 12:23 AM) I disagree that it’s Leury’s job to lose. I think it’s either guy’s job to win with Engel slightly ahead due to highlight reel capabilities and years of control. Both are fantastic guys to have on the bench but I’d say the Sox will favor Engel out of the gate in Spring Training. Just a hunch. But I’ve been biased ever since somebody compared him to Trout 3-4 years ago. Leury Garcia was on his way to a 2.5-3 WAR season last year. Adam Engel is bad at baseball. I'm not sure how you can come to the conclusion that Engel will be ahead of Garcia.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 17, 2018 -> 10:06 PM) I do think even with that there was the "unofficial" timing of it and the chance that when he was prepping for his showcase he was learning how to run the 60 fast and that wouldn't necessarily translate. It's ridiculous but after he signed and then disappeared and then was going to be in DSL all summer and was injured, it just felt like no news is bad news for a prospect (and outta site outta mind too). So if this was only the sox saying he looks great its one thing, but for the BA and Fangraphs guys to say he looks legit, it doesn't mean he's an all star but to me it's a relief. I agree there. Those guys acknowledged before that they hadn't really seen him. I expect he'll be universally top 25-30 everywhere on prospect lists.

Well I see the fun was sapped out of this thread. This is what being a fan is guys. It was fun watching him swing on video. Don't let anyone rain on your parade. Jesus f***ing christ.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jan 17, 2018 -> 04:47 PM) It kinda makes me question the scouting on this guy if all of a sudden he's gone from a corner type with average speed to a CF with above average or even borderline great speed. Like, are the stopwatches in Cuba subject to time dilation? You'd think the one thing they could pin down would be his running ability. He's what, 19, so it's not like he's developed a ton from a 14 year old kid since the time of those reports last year. Maybe he was injured and is now 100%? That's the only thing I can think of that would result in such a scouting report change on his speed. What are you talking about? He ran a 6.2 60. That's 80 grade speed. He may move to a corner at some point because the bat plays there but it's been pretty universal from the Sox that he's a CF. Now others are saying the same.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 17, 2018 -> 02:17 PM) https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/whit...LbyPQhsGS7Kh.97 Hype machine hits 11 (free article) Nice to read: Yoan Moncada and Eloy Jimenez are in Arizona at this camp and Luis Robert is all anyone is talking about. Some of it is that he's the shiny new toy but he sounds legit.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 17, 2018 -> 12:46 PM) I didn't see that at all defensively, and while limited, the defensive numbers don't seem to bear that out either. Leury isn't close to the defender that Engel is but Leury was well on his way to a 2.5-3 WAR season with 15 homers or so. Engel doesn't dream of being a 3 WAR player in even his best dreams.

QUOTE (zisk @ Jan 17, 2018 -> 12:30 PM) Which guys not in the top 30 who will be soon. Seby Zavala ? Justin Yurchak ? Luis Gonzalez ? Lets hear some names and the reasons why. Zavala and Gonzalez are firmly in the top 30

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 17, 2018 -> 11:14 AM) The only person I recall Luzardo being on the table for was Sale. Nightengale reported that Luzardo and Drew Ward was the return for Robertson before it fell through.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2018 -> 11:01 AM) If Tilson has Jesus wave his magic hands over his body and outperforms Engel in ST, then this isn't unreasonable. Is Polo slated as the starting CF in Charlotte otherwise? Polo/Tilson right now? My guess is that Cordell is in the mix as the starting CF in Charlotte. If Tilson is healthy, I think he's on the team. Could play Delmonico at DH with Tilson in CF and Leury in LF.

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As a matter of fact, here's my early guess for the Affiliates: Charlotte: Kopech, Adams, Guerrero, Stephens, Danish, Covey Birmingham: Hansen, Dunning, Banks, Puckett, Lambert Winston-Salem: Cease, Clarkin, Flores, Solorzano, Martinez, Andre Davis Kannapolis: Hickman, McClure, Henzman, Comito, Peralta

He might be on the team because of his defense but nothing should be given to him. He was one of the very worst players in baseball last year. 336 plate appearances 6 Homers 35% K Rate .247 BABIP (was unlucky) .166/.235/.282 wOBA .230 wRC+ 37. -0.7 fWAR. I think there will be much better overall options in the OF. His defense is spectacular but his .OPS is barely over .500.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 17, 2018 -> 10:02 AM) With Johnson, while it's clear they see him as a reliever, I can't remember if they said they were going to work him as a starter in the minors. Does anyone else recall? Here's my guess: Tyler Johnson in relief as a back end guy at either Kannapolis or Winston Salem. McClure and Henzman will likely be starting at Kannapolis.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 16, 2018 -> 07:04 PM) Birmingham would be crazy aggressive. I think he definitely starts in Kanny to get his feet wet and build some confidence, unless he just totally blows everyone away in camp and ends up at Winston-Salem. Let's not forget we heard the same things about Viciedo as a 19 year old, and, while he did reach the big leagues in just two years, it took him a good 3+ years in the minors before he broke into the line-up as a regular LFer. Of course, part of that was all the position changes, 3B/1B/LF/RF. The only thing that Luis Robert and Dayan Viciedo have in common is that they're from Cuba.

Would they trade whatever they can, likely just Anisimov and just play the young guys? That's the best course of action IMO. Go young. Hopefully you finish bad enough to pick in the top 5 and reboot this thing next year if Crawford is ultimately back. If Crawford is done? Then they're toast. They have immovable contracts and trading Patrick Kane doesn't really make any sense.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 16, 2018 -> 01:56 PM) Lorenzo Cain would be a perfect fit for them. He would. I don't think they are interested in giving up all the assets it would take to sign him though.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 16, 2018 -> 01:20 PM) I fully agree with your end state that if we get Cousins with the main core we could be top 3 seed as soon as next year (albeit I get nervous about the fact that Cousins hasn't won anywhere and losing can be toxic). Now here's a counter...what if they try to win now and make a run at the playoffs and then make a push at Cousins and George (not sure if we have the cap space or not). We really seem to have built a good culture with this current group (again kudos to Hoiberg and staff). I blasted him for a couple years but have to change my tune a lot this year. And by trade whatever they can, who are you implying to move? I presume Lopez / Niko? Trade whatever they can meaning Niko, Lopez, Holiday. I have no interest in making the playoffs this year. It doesn't help anything. I'd rather have the miniscule chance at landing a top 3 pick in the lottery than making the playoffs.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 16, 2018 -> 12:45 PM) You nailed where I stand exactly (on the trade and in-terms of watching). Dunn's growth shooting has been awesome...he's still inconsistent with that jumper but given how much improvement he's shown year-over-year there is so much to like. Will reserve things till I see more of Lavine but he reminds me a bit of Crawford in the sense that he can really score, but more aggressive in his ability to get in the paint (Crawford really was only a shooter but a damn good one). Defensively Lavine has the athleticism and size that he should be able to defend but he's got to put in a lot of work on that part of his game. The nice thing is Lauri and Dunn, two of are other core pieces are both fantastic. My question is do you try to get a draft pick or do you try and get a free agent. I recognize those aren't directly tied and you could do both, but if you make a run at the playoffs this year, I think the chances of landing a big free agent increase (no guarantee though). If you don't make the playoffs, I think the reality is you are probably waiting another year to make your moves in free agency (and might have more competition at that time). I wrote this about Bulls situation today: https://theloopsports.com/2018/01/16/bulls-...ath-be-altered/ I think they'll trade whatever they can and try to pick as high as possible. They could play in free agency this offseason though. They are ahead of schedule. Lets say they snag Villanova SF Mikal Bridges in the draft and sign Cousins in the off-season. That's easily a top 3 seed in the East without LeBron.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 12, 2018 -> 05:49 PM) The MLB trade rumors projection was $6.7 million. If it is still possible, I would bet they would probably split the difference, but the Sox figure does seem a little low, and Avi's not so crazy. You take the midway point between the 2 offers and I think Avi is worth that. I don't think it is worth what you have to do in arbitration to save hardly anything, and really, Unless the mlbtr model is really off, Avi should win. He has $425k in value to play with under their model and the Sox offer. That same mlbtr model had Abreu at $17.9 million and he signed for $13 million today.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Jan 12, 2018 -> 05:25 PM) Jon Heyman @JonHeyman avi garcia files at $6.7M, chisox file at $5.85M Sox haven't gone to arbitration since 2001 with Keith Foulke. He'll lose IMO.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 12, 2018 -> 12:01 PM) Robert is our #1 OF prospect, so you play him where you need to and adjust the lesser prospects accordingly. he's their #2 OF prospect but yes.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 12, 2018 -> 08:36 AM) If Arians is that close, would be great to bring him in, in Chidress role for the defense next year. Would love to see Chidress and Arians both have some sort of supporting role. Bruce Arians is an offensive coach. He's a QB guy

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 11, 2018 -> 02:18 PM) Lots of thirsty people in that house. I like mixing in other shows. Good way to get fresh faces in. I don't watch Big Brother but that chick that Bananas is trying to hook up with is hot.