Y2Jimmy0

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) I think so too, but they still have Q. If the Rays trade Archer and the Sox trade Q, I still think the Sox would be better. Outside of Longoria, their offense is ridiculously bad, and even he is starting to slip. I think their offense is better than the White Sox. Rays have: Longoria, Kiermaier, Dickerson, Ramos, Rasmus, Souza, Franklin, Duffy with Adames knocking on the door. Their lineup is better. Their rotation is better too.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 12:22 PM) If that's the case, then there are only 3-4 true contenders max in the NBA at any given time and I don't see how trading Butler and accumulating picks would get the Bulls any closer to that elite group. It could potentially get the Bulls into that group 4 years from now. They need to draft superstars and then keep them forever. The days of stars leaving via Free Agency is going to be over.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 11:33 AM) If you look back over the past three years, no player drafted is anywhere close to Jimmy's stratesphere today. So if we tanked in that period, where exactly would we be? Joel Embiid is the closest thing and he's done it for a few months and has an injury riddled past. Players take time, but Towns / Wiggins / Embiid (going back to the last three years worth of drafts) are probably the three best players taken the past three years (thus far). I expect Ben Simmons to be in that conversation soon. Devin Booker (13th overall) is probably the next best player (as well as Porzingis) and obviously the three names mentioned above were high picks, but when you look at 14/15/16, you'll see a lot of really really awful players drafted very early on. So no, I don't really think just burning it all down is that great of a plan. I think having good draft picks helps, but there is so much luck...you need to be the team sitting @ 1 when LBJ is there or Anthony Davis. I think everyone should take a look at the list of draft picks the last few years and just realize that getting top picks is no guarantee of anything. If we are lucky we end up with one superstar and even then, like I said, I don't find it that likely. By the way, I didn't even mention the 2013 draft where you are talking about almost every pick in the top 10 being an absolute nobody in the league at this point (with the exception of Oladipo, who is a solid starter, and the 10th overall selection CJ McCollum who is really good and of course the greek freek drafted 15th overall). I think it is more likely we can sign someone in free agency, make the right trade, etc (not to mention Jimmy takes another step forward), then the alternative. You all keep throwing out 30, yes it is getting older, but I figure Jimmy has at least 4-6 years left of prime basketball (and he works hard), so why blow something up when we literally are in the first year of ever having this "prime" Jimmy around. I don't quite know if people realize how f***ing good he has been this year and also if you look at our bench plays, etc, if people realize how bad they have been. I at least give this one, if not two more years of trying to build around Jimmy. We also forget that Wade loves Jimmy, Kyrie love Jimmy....lots of star players like Jimmy and he's going to recruit like a mofo because he wants to win like nobodies business (it is so evident in how hard he has worked to make his game better). We have a bunch of weak bench players, with no mental fortitude led by a weak handed head coach. Gar is a joke too by the way and Pax is the one overseeing it all so he clearly deserves fall in this too. Oh and the Bulls can figure out how to get a max player under their cap while keeping Wade. PS: Mike, most of these comments aren't direct at you. Jimmy is 28 though. I would take all of those players on this Bulls team instead of Butler. Butler wasn't as good as any of those guys at the same age. That's part of the point. Embiid, Porzingis, Towns, Wiggins, Simmons are all in their early 20's. None of them are as good as Butler right now but they are all in their only 20's.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 11:08 AM) What you're failing to address in this gigantic wall of text is the fact that the Bulls haven't drafted a productive player in quite some time. Why does that change now? They could trade Butler, draft busts with those lottery picks, and then they'll be in a worse position than they were with Butler. I have no confidence in the Bulls to make the right personnel decisions. That's truly a warranted concern and I did suggest firing Forman. Matt Lloyd was instrumental in many of their solid picks including (Butler, Taj). I never said it would definitely work. I said it's a better option. Markelle Fulz of Washington, Dennis Smith of NC State and Lonzo Ball from UCLA are high quality PG prospects that should be top 3 picks. Draft also has a few Kentucky players, Josh Jackson from Kansas and Jonathan Isaac from FSU not to mention others. It's a great draft. If it wasn't I wouldn't be suggesting what I'm suggesting.

QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 11:00 AM) Someone asked Offman were there any names involved. He just responded this morning saying that no names and there are many other discussions with other teams involved as well. Yeah so that rumor was nothing unless you want to read between the lines, as expected. It does indicate that for whatever reason, The White Sox wanted it out there that Texas in interested. Ofman tweeted Texas interested at 2:36 yesterday and Bob at 2:41. I'm pretty sure their source is the same person.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) Exactly. Unlike baseball, the NBA is a superstar driven league. Now I know Butler is LeBron or anything, but he's a quasi-superstar and could potentially attract premier free agents. I've seen James' plan and while it's not a bad idea, I have absolutely no faith in the Bulls to take a future superstar with those lottery picks they'd get for Butler. Look at McDermott. Look at Mirotic. Look at Portis. Look at all the busts they've drafted lately. Why would that change now? People aren't coming to Chicago to play with Jimmy f***ing Butler instead of taking max deals in their current markets. That's the point

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 10:51 AM) Find other players to build around him. You start with 1 superstar so easier to find a 2nd. When you have none, it is hard to even get to one, let alone two or three. I've given plenty of examples of teams with one star who waited out and then finally got the right piece. It could be via free agency, it could be via trade. I'm not dealing Butler today unless we get a massive haul. I also really haven't yet seen a team succeed through a "tank" strategy, but I've seen a lot of teams suck for a really long time because they can never get the good players in the draft. Who are you adding? Wade needs to leave in order for the Bulls to offer another max contract. The only guy that I could see coming to Chicago is Gordon Hayward. Hello 6th seed. Jimmy Butler is 28 years old. There is no path to being good with him the next 2 seasons. After that, he will need a new contract. Free agents won't be leaving their teams as much anymore. They especially won't be coming here. I've offered a plan. Nobody else has. You guys all say "add better players, draft better, you have a superstar get another one" and I hear "blahblahblah yay playoff basketball again". This organization is the biggest f***ing joke in Chicago. They have 1 option. Tear it to the ground. Building around Butler keeps you competitive but doesn't put you in the discussion to win titles. It's just kicking the can down the road. This plan isn't necessarily feasible but it's best option: Trade Niko and Taj for whatever you can get. Fire Gar Forman. Hire Matt Lloyd as GM. Trade Jimmy Butler for 2017 Brooklyn swap and 2018 Brooklyn 1st along with some combination of players from Boston. Dwyane Wade opts out. Bulls are bad the rest of the year and end up with a top 10 pick. Bulls also move Kings into the 11-14 range and take Brooklyn's top 3 selection. 3 lottery picks in this draft, one of which should be 1 of the big 3 PG's sets the Bulls up nicely into the future. They'd also have 2 lottery picks next year. They'd be bad and Boston may not make that deal but this gives you a much more realistic path to a title than patching s*** around Jimmy Butler does. It won't happen though because Michael Reinsdorf likes selling bobble heads and collecting playoff revenue. 1998 was a long ass time ago.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 10:47 AM) I'm just playing with you on the 20 cents part, but yes, I really do think they should build around Butler instead of tearing it all down. What is your path to a championship with Butler on the roster?

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 10:42 AM) My $0.2 is that they should build around Butler. Do you really believe that or just making fun of me?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 10:30 AM) Great start to the road trip. That was a total beat down of the Thunder (who are really struggling since Kanter went down). Yay Bulls. I watched it in anger. I hate this org so much.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 06:41 PM) 16 year old HS 1B Triston Casas has "re-classified" and will be in the 2018 draft. Should be a top 5 pick. His 80 grade power comp'd to Bryce Harper at same age: http://www.baseballamerica.com/high-school...p6wtDprSdTL1.97 Everyone talks about Seth Beer and rightfully so but I've seen 4 names mentioned prominently for 2018 class. Yes, I know this is a long time from now. Joe Gray SS/CF Mississippi High School: Luken Baker 1B/DH TCU: Triston Casas 1B HS Florida: Seth Beer OF/1B Clemson:

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 07:21 PM) Eh, they landed 6 guys who had 4 stars by at least one service. Ricky Smalling for example was rated a 4 star on 3 of the 4 services, is one of the best players in IHSA history, and has all the tools but for some reason 247 decided to single handedly destroy his ranking to the point where he doesn't even come out a consensus 4 star. Most of their recruits all had multiple power 5 offers which is better than losing out to MAC schools like usual. Yeah Ricky Smalling is a stud.

16 year old HS 1B Triston Casas has "re-classified" and will be in the 2018 draft. Should be a top 5 pick. His 80 grade power comp'd to Bryce Harper at same age: http://www.baseballamerica.com/high-school...p6wtDprSdTL1.97

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 06:35 PM) I don't think anyone doubts the interest. The problem is that Beer certainly seems like the 1-1 pick (barring a sub-par season), the Sox don't seem like the worst team in baseball right now. Bad, yes. The worst? I wouldn't think so. Even without Q, there are worse teams. No Q puts them in top 3 pick territory. There are 2 HS guys that are very highly regarded as well.

QUOTE (flavum @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 05:32 PM) It's a nice thought that the 75th pick is eligible to be moved, but that seems too low to get excited about being part of a trade with Houston for Q. No it doesn't. It's a great 4th piece. I'd rather give Hostetler the 800k to move around than a flyer like Victor Diaz.

QUOTE (Username @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 05:11 PM) Phil Rodgers about to go on MLB network to discuss Q Phil said he talked to someone close to talks that thought they'd wait until trade deadline. Then he said he doesn't buy that. He said Sox and Astros have re-started talks. He specifically brought up Seth Beer. He said Sox want to be really bad and in a position for very high pick in 2018 and that Quintana being on the roster in the 1st half hurts those chances so he thinks they want to move him. He also mentioned that the Astros have the 75th pick that they can trade now.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 04:27 PM) What is the gist of the segment? I haven't heard it yet Callers can ask either of them anything they want. Host says "Can't do it" if they refuse to answer and caller gets a prize.

QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 03:48 PM) If they are leveraging Houston they should have used the Pirates whom they have actually had some reportedly serious discussions with. THey used Texas because Houston wouldn't want Q to end up in Texas. The problem is that Texas doesn't want him in Houston either so they probably killed this right away. raBBIt has speculated in the past that Hahn and Daniels are very good friends and it would make sense for Hahn to use Texas as leak in situations.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 03:41 PM) Here's the article that shot this down: http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/texas-rang...h-jose-quintana Grant even speculates that they are leveraging Houston. Sox don't usually do this though until they are far along in the process.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 01:19 PM) Not taking sides but didn't Trump run on these issues? Why is everybody so surprised there's a wall coming and a ban on immigrants? I thought he ran on these issues. And he won the election. So why the outrage now? America elected the guy on these issues. Well, less than 30% of the country voted for him and most of them don't know how to use the internet.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 12:15 PM) I was a little worried there that Lovie made him a personal priority and wasn't prying him from Indiana but man Lovie and staff have been almost perfect thus far recruiting wise. We've lost out on Thomas, Roberson and a few others but for the most part we've hit on all of our priorities. I heard Jeff Thomas couldn't get in there. Which is strange because he was eligible at Missouri

Malik Hooker probably still goes in the top 10-15 picks. He's a stud.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 11:12 AM) Lovie gets another commitment in Bennett Williams. A 3* CB from Cali. First recruit to get from Cali since 2003. Lovie and staff continue to do work on the recruiting trail in his first real recruiting class. It was a foregone conclusion but Ricky Smalling is a huge get. That kid is a stud. Too bad they couldn't put Jeff Thomas next to him.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 04:31 PM) In January, despite a "flu riddled 0-6 game" and the "start the game on the bench game", Jimmy put up a PER > 30. Obviously a small sample size, but if you are a believer of PER, that is ridiculously good. Everyone always says "Jimmy has peaked" and has said so for a couple years now and he keeps getting better. If you trade him to Boston for picks that could end up #3 and #5 for all we know in two consecutive drafts and you get guys who bust or are even mediocre, you will look back going, oh my how did we screw up. Boston is going nowhere this year and in the off-season, when you know what those picks are, is the time to move him if you want to (and you need to be getting those picks plus Jaylen Brown and Crowder or Beverly (not to keep but to move elsewhere). Even then I think that deal is a win for Boston. Look at the freaking Harden trade (obviously Harden has blown up since then). In fact, I don't look at the Bulls much different as the Rockets under Harden. A year ago...Rockets .500, this year they are one of the best teams in the league (still no hope at winning a title), but they are a lot closer to a championship then Philly or Lakers, imo. Harden is much better then Butler too (so don't get me wrong). Ridiculous that the Thunder had all three players and what they could have been had they not overreacted / overplayed their hand with Harden. I completely disagree that the Rockets are closer to winning a title than Philadelphia is. This keeping Jimmy argument is insane because nobody has offered me any semblance of a plan in which they become title contenders with Jimmy Butler on the roster. Not on here, not on twitter, not anywhere. I've firmly laid out what I'd do and acknowledged the potentail downside. When I ask how they become contenders, I hear, "Draft better", "Sign better FA's". Jimmy is going to be 28 years old and they have no chance at winning with him the next 2 years. You would have to pay him huge $$ at age 30-31 and what would they have around him? Sorry. Trading Butler to Boston is the only way this thing gets turned around IMO.

http://www.csnchicago.com/nba-trade-rumors...rst-round-picks