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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 01:44 PM) They can't anymore anyway. The Rules have changed, and the Sox are in the small cap room bunch even. They can spend up to $8.3 million every year but they need to trade for $3.5 million in space to do so.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 12:53 PM) It only makes sense if we don't go over our cap. Otherwise we should have just gone all out and tried to sign everyone this period. We are barely under. He's not signing for less than $1 million.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 12:33 PM) Reading the story it seems like the link is speculative in nature, in that the Sox have some pool room, and have signed similar players in the past, but not that there is any real connection to him. Does anyone out there know how much international pool room we have left? I'm trying to get in touch with Badler. Signing this guy doesn't make any sense for White Sox. They have pool room but if they use it to go over and sign this kid, then they join the group of teams that can't spend this coming July 2nd. That's a problem because they are already linked to guys for the next signing period. If they do this prior to next signing period, it's a huge waste of resources as much as I'd like to add him. If he gets pushed to the 2017-2018 period starting on July 2nd, the most he can possibly sign for is $10 million and that would be someone's entire bonus pool. If he gets cleared to sign, I would guess it'll be a team like San Diego who blew past their limits for this year and can't sign a guy next year anyway. Athletics, Astros, Braves, Cardinals, Nationals, Padres, and Reds went over this past year and would be most likely teams to sign him.

Coats isn't even a 4th OF though because he can't play CF. He's like a 5th OF

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 01:50 PM) With Sanchez or Saladino at second? I suppose. Moncada will probably be there sometime in June or July

Garcia does have a 70 arm and is a good fielder apparently. Coats will clear waivers. Sox have decided at least initially though that they like Willy Garcia and Rymer Liriano better than Jason Coats.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 01:26 PM) I should have stated, "could be at 3B or DH at the MLB level." If they deal Frazier, there's actually a spot open for both to start every day (potentially). If Frazier is traded, I think Brett Lawrie will be the 3B

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 11:56 AM) es.pn/2jjo1Eg 8m-12m: Peter gammons on Pirates/Q. Speculate astros coming back for Q with similar Archer deal. Discuss Pirates getting Q then trading Cole in year or two to recoup. 19m: Dave Dombrowski on Sale Some interesting notes: - Wash reports coming out, DD is nervous - Use thornberg trade to confirm deal is still possible (one player was discussed with chisox prior) - was not confirmed until next da but that night, Hahn brings up Basabe/Diaz and DD confirms they are open to that Kinda continues to be confusing. I was sure we used Wash rumors to make Bosox nervous into including devers but seems pretty clear boston was not budging on him + moncada 35 mm hahn - haven't listened to yet. I figure people are bored and could be interested. Hahn didn't say much. He mentioned they knew around deadline that they were selling but there were advantages to starting the process in the offseason. Mentioned that players who were just drafted would be available in offseason. Open-minded about moving anyone. They'd make a deal today if presented with right offer. He also reiterated that he has no problem waiting to make deals and it's not a "one year process".

If Buffalo really declines Tyrod Taylor's option, the Bears should be all over him. Only 27 and pretty good.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 07:26 AM) Discussing Abreu's trade market is kinda pointless...because there isn't 1. I don't see any team giving up anything of real value for any 1B/DH type of player in a trade with the FA market still the way it is. If he were on the market I think he would have gotten a deal by now though. No where near Encarnacion, but I could see him getting 3 or 4 years at $13-16M per year. Not really the case I don't think. If Trumbo and Bautista didn't have 1st round picks attached to them, I firmly believe they'd be signed right now.

Sounds like PJ Fleck is taking the Minnesota job. Interesting.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 12:31 PM) I think there are a couple directions you go. I think if your goal is to win games, you go with Romo and spend a ton on defensive free agents (probably targeting Eric Berry plus another FA corner) and then wait on QB (drafting someone in the 2nd or 3rd round...say a Josh Allen or the Texas QB or even a Watson if he falls). Part of the Romo situation probably is more tied to the fact that you don't see any QB's worth taking in the 1st round / being difference makers (and don't believe in Jimmy G / AJ McCarron). I think Romo is still a well above average QB (if you can protect him) and he can give you 2 years time to find someone else. If you think Kizer or one of the picks is the guy, then I think Hoyer makes a lot more sense as a bridge (probably doesn't change your free agent plans a ton, as I still think the Bears probably look at an Eric Berry / CB signing as those are major needs regardless) as you can still compete (in the sense that you don't want things to be a dumpster fire, especially if your defense comes around faster...although likelihood of it being totally dominant is less because you are no longer using the #3 pick on a guy you hope would be a high impact defender right away) before giving at least half a season to your young QB with a bigger eye on the following year (and most realistically, you are probably two years away if you got it right with your QB, because the reality is, it still takes time for the young QB, if he is the guy, to pan out). I presume we will end up taking a QB @ 3 overall and spend our FA money on DB's (potentially using our 2nd round pick on a DB as well or a tackle). To me, whether you go after Romo, hinges on how much you like the QB's that are available (long-term). If you think a guy in the pack is a franchise QB, you need to take them. If you don't, then I think Romo buys you time to do other things (better then say a Tyrod Taylor). Hoyer seems like the perfect groom guy. I agree with this. I'm in the minority on this board but I'd absolutely take DeShone Kizer at 3. His Texas game was better than any QB in this class. He has obvious flaws but he has a big time arm, ran pro style stuff, makes ridiculous throws, stands in the pocket, can move around, and is said to be incredibly intelligent and will impress in workouts and on the whiteboard. His games against Texas and Virginia this year were great. I watched his game against Clemson from 2015 and there were a ton of dropped balls. He would be my guy.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 11:03 AM) Is this more on the coaching/training/strength group more than the GM? For a broken leg, a torn ACL, and severely sprained ankle? No. It's a dangerous sport.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 10:44 AM) I've mentioned before, but Tyrod Taylor is likely available. Romo may be available. I'd rather draft a qb that we've rated appropriately then giving up a 3rd overall pick and a 4th for garoppolo. Agree. It's easy to say all these QB's are bad because most people don't actually go on draft breakdown.com and watch 5 game sod each guy. Bears should probably take the player at #3 that they think is best available. However, if they think one of these guys is the QB that they want, then they should absolutely take him at #3 or move back a little and do it. If by some miracle Myles Garrett fell to #3, the Bears would pull the trigger I'm sure. The other defensive guys aren't a consensus though. That's really high for a DB unless they are super studs. People have Jonathan Allen up there but from what I've watched and read Stanford DL Solomon Thomas and Ohio State S Malik Hooker are the 2 best defensive players after Garrett. It's going to be a fun offseason I think.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 10:27 AM) At least the Bears staff gets to coach the Senior Bowl. That should give them a better look at a couple of the QBs. Supposedly, it is where Dallas became intrigued with Prescott. None of the good QB's are at the Senior Bowl though. Trubisky, Kizer, Watson, Mahomes, and Kaaya are not there. They could see Davis Webb of Cal. That's about it it.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 09:42 AM) I think you have to find the QB. Nothing else matters. The Vikings team and Texans team both have a ton of talent and pretty much can't do anything. Texans stumbled into the playoffs, they are at -49 net points this year. Colts have pretty much done as bad a job as you possibly can in drafting and adding players and still finished 8-8. Completely agree. QB is #1 priority.

QUOTE (balfanman @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 09:42 AM) Yes, I agree with this. Power guys are nice and every team needs them, but you also need the guys that that can hit for average and just seem to know how to get on base. OF Kyle Tucker, RHP Francis Martes, 1B AJ Reed, and OF Ramon Laureano is a nice package from Houston. That's a deal I'd probably make. That probably hasn't been offered though.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 06:30 AM) The price isn't measured against a trade made 8 years ago. The price is being measured against what Sam Bradford got, that's why you keep seeing 1st and 4th. And the Patriots have little motivation to come off that price because why should they? Because I don't see anyone paying it, he only has 1 year left on his deal, their starting QB thinks he's playing into his 40's. Something has to give somewhere.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 05:44 PM) Two years ago they were heavy on skill players and barren on trenches. now have good/great play, young and improving dline play, and good linebacker core. And worse skill players. Yeah this is true. Kevin White can't be counted on. This kind of hinges on Jeffery. Jeffery and Meredith each had 800+ yard seasons with bum QB's. Jordan Howard is very good. It's clear that QB and secondary are top needs but another pass rusher, a starting TE, and more speed at WR is also necessary

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 01:47 PM) Who were the playmakers on the 2014 Bears defense? If their players are worse than they were 2 years ago, that's on Pace. The fact is 17 forced turnovers in 2015 set a franchise record low. The 11 this year shattered it. I don't know if it's coaching, what is emphasized, lack of players , luck, or all of the above, but it needs to change quickly. They have had no talent before and forced a lot more turnovers. Pace can draft 6 future Pro Bowlers in April, if the team is 6-10, neither he or Fox will be around for the annual post mortem press conference. They don't have less talent than they had 2 years ago. Their secondary is bad. The front 7 when healthy is pretty good.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2680721...of-2017/page/31

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 10:46 AM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-zips-p...cago-white-sox/ What this means is, if Quintana and Frazier are traded you are looking at roughly 20 zWAR. That's about a 66-67 win team generally.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) If this is true, we all may be slightly disappointed with the haul. If they're intent on finishing a deal before camp opens, they will end up settling for best offer. The best offer might be something that we've been expecting though. I guarantee you the Sox are asking for the sun and the moon but ultimately are fine with accepting just the moon in return. For example, Sox could be asking for Meadows, Glasnow, Newman, and something else. Meadows could be the sticking point. Sox may be fine with taking something like Glasnow, Bell, Newman all along though. Hope that makes sense.

Interesting thoughts from Buster Olney on ESPN today. It's Insider so need a subscription but here's the Quintana portion: http://www.espn.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=15688 The Chicago White Sox could wait until after the start of spring training or even into next season to trade Jose Quintana, the best available starting pitcher. But evaluators with knowledge of the Quintana discussions say the White Sox seem intent on finishing a deal before camps open. The Pittsburgh Pirates could be the frontrunners for the left-hander, whose modest salary through the 2020 season make him perfect for Pittsburgh's budget.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 07:23 AM) Relax Luke Cage. Do you honestly enjoy Benetti? It reminds me of Ventura replacing Ozzie. He won't embarrass the team or organization, but he's about as interesting as listening to paint dry. Yeah Benetti is fantastic. I've met him. Great guy. Very insightful IMO. He's a voice for the modern game. He's very knowledgable about new age stats and modern baseball. He doesn't talk about Rico Petricelli either which is a plus.